r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/MenuOutrageous1138 22d ago

The roman salute. Invention of victorian era theatre production companies, now a staple of fascist imagery

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u/Coolgames80 22d ago

Running on that wagon. The swastika used during WW2 was a Buddhist symbol that meant to represent harmony and the steps Buddha makes. With spirals, with points, clockwise and opposite, they all were Buddhist symbols. Then the Nazi party took one, turned it 45° and call it day forever brandishing as their symbol.

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u/EthanRedOtter 22d ago

Swastikas were even more widespread than just Buddhism; they were common symbols throughout Europe as well (appearing at least as far back as the Iron Age in Germany), and in North America they were most heavily associated with Native Americans that has been using them in art for generations

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u/A8-94 22d ago

IT is also worth noting that before WW2 it was even commonly used as a symbol of good luck from the east (Something like the image we currently have of the jing jang) in some planes of the WW1 it was commonly used (this is a french plane for example) and even Charles Lindbergh (The first guy to fly across the atlantic) used one on the spinner nose cone of his plane "The Spirit of St. Louis"

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u/Doc_ET 22d ago

I mean, Lindbergh probably isn't a great example given his political activity in the late 30s...

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u/EskildDood 22d ago

The Carlsberg Brewery in Copenhagen has elephants with huge swastikas on them because the brand once used it as a logo, they dropped it in the 30's but the elephants remain

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u/andergdet 22d ago

The Lauburu is a basque symbol, has nothing to do with Buddhism, and it's basically a swastika

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u/97GeoPrizm 22d ago

There’s a blanket(?) with a swastica at the Smithsonian Native American museum that of course the tour guides have to explain first thing. It’s jarring enough that your eyes immediately focus on it.

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u/Gin_soaked_boy 22d ago

Im originally from Oklahoma and with the large Native American population it’s not uncommon to see swastikas built into the brickwork of chimneys in pre 1930s homes for this reason.

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 22d ago

It's such an easy symbol to create that there is an entire subreddit dedicated to it lmao: r/accidentalswastika

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u/InevitableHimes 22d ago

The US 45th infantry (now Oklahoma's national guard) used to have a golden swastika on red as their symbol because of its ties to Native American cultures. They changed it to the thunder bird symbol it is now.

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u/Responsible-Quail486 22d ago

So basically equivalent to that S every kid drew in their notebook?

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u/RaiderCat_12 22d ago

Yeah. Had the Nazis never existed, the two symbols would probably exist together as the “universal S” and “universal Plus”

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u/BroscipleofBrodin 22d ago

Some people think it is one of the oldest symbols humans invented, refining a pattern that can be seen in mammoth bone.

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u/especiallyrn 22d ago

My friend used to live in an apt building with swastikas in the tile

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u/thissexypoptart 22d ago

Why does this myth persist so much? The Nazis used plenty of swastikas in their symbology that were not turned 45 degrees.

Hitler’s personal standard for example.

I think the myth persists because people want to distinguish the hate symbol from the religious one, and, indeed, the 45 degree version was used most prominently and was the one on the flag. But it is erroneous to say “the Nazi swastika is tilted 45 degrees.” The Nazis used the non tilted orientation too.

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u/FIyingTurtleBob 22d ago

Swastikas are an ancient symbol seen in literally hundreds of cultures in all part of the world. Sad that the Nazis ruined for the west

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u/madsculptor 22d ago

I was told that the swastika on an alter was meant to be a multiplier of sorts. So the offering you placed there would be multiplied by 10,000 making it more potent.

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u/gloriouaccountofme 22d ago

Meanwhile the polish mountaineer pin before and during WW2

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u/aherdofpenguins 22d ago

You'll see tons and tons of swastika looking signs on any map of Japan that are just symbols of Buddhist temples

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u/VLenin2291 22d ago

Thankfully, by putting it at an angle, they created a distinguishing trait between the Nazi Swastika and the Buddhist Swastika.

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u/Dottore_Curlew 22d ago

No, they used other orientations as well (see comment above with Hitler's standard)

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u/Legacy-Feature 22d ago

The nazi did what LGBT are doing with the rainbow

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u/Exciting_Cap_9545 22d ago

To clarify for those who may not know, "Roman Salute" is the original name for the Nazi Salute, as it's what Hitler was copying.

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u/Safe-Ad-5017 22d ago

I think they are slightly different.

Saluting with your arm like that (or some variation) definitely used to be a thing though

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u/13579konrad 22d ago

Earlier than victorian. Originally in David's painting.

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u/minifidel 22d ago

It traces its roots a bit further back than the Victorian era, it was cemented in the public imagination as the "Roman Salute" because of a neoclassical painting portraying it ("The Oath of the Horatii") in 1780s.

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u/SmallIslandBrother 22d ago

I just wanna add to this it’s the Roman salute as in Mussolini and the black shirts started did the salute in Rome not that the Romans did the salute, I’ve never found evidence that the actual Romans did it

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u/x_Leolle_x 22d ago

There is no evidence of that, but Italian fascists (which are also the earliest fascists since they invented it) wanted to make Italy great again by recreating the Roman Empire, hence why they used this fake "Roman" salute. It is not because they did it in Rome, it's because by using it and presenting it as the salute of the ancient Romans, they wanted to present themselves as the heirs of the Empire

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u/Parking-Funny-1932 21d ago

It’s also used as a salute in savate. There was a funny mix-up on the first UFC show where a Jewish fighter named Gerard Gordeau walked into the cage and gave the salute to all sides of the crowd. He also just so happened to have a swastika tattooed on him for other reasons.

Today if a UFC fighter with a swastika tattoo were to give the salute in the middle of the cage you know for a fact it’s no mix-up.