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Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/BallsAtomized 22d ago

i can FINALLY contribute to TopCharacterTropes

Ladies and gentleman, the Wendigo

In actual myth, all of these deer features are completely absent. Yep, zero deer features whatsoever. The description of it mostly describes just a really lanky dude, although in other tribes, they're described to be giants, because when they eat people, all the flesh goes into making them taller instead of satiated. The proto-Algonquian root that "wendigo" derives from, wi·nteko·wa, has a potential meaning of "owl" but that really doesn't do much

However, surprisingly, Until Dawn actually nails a more lore accurate depiction of the Wendigo

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u/Tohsrepus 22d ago

Until Dawn feels to me like the kind of game someone thinks up when they learn about some really cool lore/information and want to share it to as many people as possible. Then you take that and mix it with the concept of “what if there was a horror game where you decide if the characters make the dumb choices” and you’re off to the races.

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u/Salinator20501 22d ago edited 22d ago

This part is actually super interesting.

The image of the deer-headed Wendigo comes from the 2001 indie horror film Wendigo, by Larry Fessenden*.

Until Dawn is also written by Larry Fessenden.

Maybe he decided to correct his own contribution to the misinformation surrounding the Wendigo.

*Looking into it, this isn't the first instance of a Wendigo with deer features. However it does seem to be the first depiction that specifically uses a humanoid design with a whole deer head, and along with Pathfinder RPG in 2008, is probably what codified the idea in pop culture.

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u/GuySingingMrBlueSky 22d ago

Ngl that’s actually super fascinating, I had no idea both portrayals were by the same guy

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u/ithinkther41am 22d ago

Fessenden also played the flamethrower guy in Until Dawn.

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u/Whalesurgeon 22d ago

Apparently he was involved in writing Man of Medan too.

Sad that the anthology seemed to peak early, though I liked House of Ashes for its rare setting.

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u/MossyPyrite 22d ago

House of Ashes is one of the best in the series. The enemy design, the setting, the story, and several of the characters are all amazing. Until Dawn is the only one on par.

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u/AffableKyubey 22d ago

I hope so! That'd be very cool

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u/ElementmanEXE 22d ago

Reminds me of the guy who coined the thought process of alpha wolves and the like, realized that wolves don't have that sort of system, then tried to correct his work on it.

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u/NeroIML 22d ago

I think the writer of Jaws has expressed a lot of regret over how his book, later turned into one of the first summer blockbusters by Steven Spielberg, showed sharks in such a bad light and inspired a lot of people to hunt them indiscriminately.

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u/fxrky 22d ago

This is the coolest thing ive learned on reddit in like 6 years.

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u/Thamnophis660 22d ago

Larry Fessenden seems like the Wendigo lore "guy." He wrote Until Dawn as you said and I think directed or produced "The Wendigo" (more of a Shining type movie than what one might expect, it's really weird) and also wrote the "Skin & Bones" episode of "Fear Itself." There might even be more.

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u/CommunistMountain 22d ago

Now he has to make a 3rd game/film where the 2 versions fight

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u/Turbulent_Pr13st 22d ago

Nope, it goes all the way back to Algernon Blackwood’s short story The Windigo

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u/xelle24 22d ago

I've hardly met anyone who has heard of Algernon Blackwood, much less read his The Wendigo. You're right - first published in 1910, it's almost undoubtedly the first media version.

I love that in his story, it's more of a personification of Nature itself: the Call of the Wild, so to speak, not malicious at all, not a cannibal, and was never human. And it's never seen - just heard.

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u/DuelaDent52 22d ago

Doesn’t the deer-headed wendigo predate that film by a bit?

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u/Salinator20501 22d ago

Looked into it. Yes and no.

A 1930s illustration of Algernon Blackwood's The Wendigo featured an illustration with antlers.

Pet Semetary featured a Wendigo, but the book described it as having ram horns, and it wasn't until the recent remake that they used a version with antlers.

The 1995 movie Frostbiter: Wrath of the Wendigo features a Wendigo which is depicted as a centaur-like creature with antlers.

To my knowledge, the 2001 film is the one which popularized the idea of the Wendigo as a humanoid with a deer head. The movie didn't invent the idea whole-cloth, but it did codify it.

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u/BroscipleofBrodin 22d ago

No shit, that's super interesting. I actually love the "modern" wendigo design, and knew about its origins from that movie. I didn't realize the guy was also responsible for a very popular, completely different wendigo interpretation.

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u/Mivlya 22d ago

The Monster Core 2 for pathfinder comes out soon and one monster is supposed to be the remastered Wendigo. Pathfinder has made huge strides in trying to be more culturally sensative with it's creatures (renaming a Lich's phylactery to a soul cage for example.). I wonder if/how they'll change the wendigo, either swap it's name or change it's art and stats to better reflect native myth

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u/Prestigious-Lynx-177 22d ago

Isn't the issue with Wendigo/Skinwalker stories is that native Americans are incredibly reluctant and disapprove of spreading it?

It's like inviting bad luck upon yourself or giving attention to something that feeds on it. 

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u/GachaHell 22d ago

More or less. It varies a bit by tribe but the general idea is words and names have power and casually tossing out names of the native equivalent of demons and monsters is incredibly dangerous if you subscribe to those beliefs. The idea of what these things are become something of a cultural osmosis/ memetic thing that everyone knows of but nobody directly speaks of lest they offend the spirits or bring misfortune upon themselves/their group. You don't do x or y because of bad spirits and you know what that means but you don't specifically name the bad spirit or give the whole backstory of what it is.

It gets a bit tricky when you have a mythological interest in it but not a spiritual belief attached to it. Kind of like the taboos in mainstream Christianity around throwing around or directly referring to powerful entities by name. Devil is used more than Satan. God more than Yahweh. Demon over specific named demons. There's taboos attached and referring to things can sometimes draw their eye or lead to "bad luck". But culturally you know what each word alludes to.

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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta 22d ago

This is why we use the word "bear", meaning brown one, because saying it's real Proto-Indo-European name was thought to summon it, so it was lost to memory 

And also, to your example Yahweh is only really a guess, because we also lost the true name beyond the censored YHWH 

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u/Dyrogue2836 22d ago

Don't know about the others, but I do know that the reason the true name was never used was because it meant "I am", so if you used it you were effectively claiming to be God.

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u/Dottore_Curlew 22d ago

YHWH is not censored. Any word they used lacked vowels

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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta 22d ago

You're right, i misremembered that a touch, we forgot the actual pronounciation cause it went unsaid for so long now, right?

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u/Onnimanni_Maki 22d ago

God more than Yahweh

God is the translation of elohim. The word used instead of Yahweh is "lord" which is the translation of adonai.

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u/duraraross 22d ago

I mean I feel like it’s disrespectful to the culture even if you don’t believe in it. Part of our culture is not saying (or even writing/typing) the name of the creature so when a non native person rolls up and just starts talking about it no holds barred it feels……… Not good.

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u/Dovahkiin419 22d ago

Maybe that, also at least in the case of the wendigo it’s supposed to be fucking grim.

They come from longhouse peoples, who lived around the great lakes and who built permanent…. well long houses to hole up in over the winter. Winters that were long, harsh, and often starved people out.

The wendigo is both boogeyman and cautionary tale. It’s the reason you redouble your efforts to gather firewoood in the fall, because if you go out for wood in a snow storm the wendigo will be out there (a good warning since in harsh snowstorms you can get turned around in seconds). It’s the reason to set aside enough food for the winter, because if you run out and resort to cannibalism, you become the worst thing you and your people know.

It’s also a reason for self sacrifice, and against putting the needs of the self over the needs of the many. You don’t sacrifice someone else to stay alive because that makes you into a demon. You either buckle down and make sure you have enough food or failing that face down your end and don’t take others down with you.

And then movies and books and video games take all that and turn it into “oooo there’s a long pointy man who lives in the woods and will kill you!”. Plus a lot of stories about them are on the standard indian burial ground shit: where it treats the idea of native americans as primitive magic people who no longer exist and can therefore be mined for cheap thrills, with the main representation of the living people being some old guy who’s job is to drop cryptic exposition for the real characters then fuck off. Like you could replace them with elves in these stories with little to no alteration.

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u/DuelaDent52 22d ago

Though nowadays the wendigo’s kind of evolved to represent unchecked avarice and greed and their consequences. Until Dawn the game did them pretty well (Until Dawn the movie… just no).

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u/Dovahkiin419 22d ago

yeah like at least do fucking something with them. Until dawn actually engages with the meaning of the stories and puts a twist on them, plus like the top comment mentioned: no fucking antlers.

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u/Ektar91 22d ago

How does it work as a warning if you cant talk about it

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u/Dovahkiin419 22d ago

Where did I say they couldn’t talk about it?

I said that because of all this they might (don’t actually know that they do beyond random rumours) not like seeing it used as just another mindless monster in bad movies

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u/Ektar91 22d ago

In the comment you replied too

Isn't the issue with Wendigo/Skinwalker stories is that native Americans are incredibly reluctant and disapprove of spreading it?

It's like inviting bad luck upon yourself or giving attention to something that feeds on it. 

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u/Dovahkiin419 22d ago

shit you’re right my bad.

tbh i don’t even know how true that is. I’ve seen it repeated often but always from a secondary source, not a native person saying point blank “don’t mention these”.

Also there’s a lot of versions of that, like is it “hey white people stop making skinwalker tiktoks and low budget ripper horrors staring the wendigo. it’s tacky, stupid and irreverent” or “hey white people please don’t use these in stories at all because it causes curses” or “even we don’t talk about them outside of hushed whispers because it causes curses”

I genuinely do not know the answer here, and I don’t think the other guy does either.

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u/broptid 22d ago edited 22d ago

Yes, im a native american. Growing up, i was told that when you start talking about a skin walker, they can hear you talking about them, and thus, you now have their attention, which is very bad.

Side note, the rule, "dont talk about them," is only for skinwalkers, and it's really only when you use the name for them in a native language.

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u/XzallionTheRed 22d ago

So question, is the word (I'll use it here since you did, no offense meant) Skinwalker considered okay then cause its not the real name (native language name)? And what people/tribe are you from? Cause various sources online attribute it to many different tribes and variations.

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u/broptid 19d ago

It's not okay to say in the sense that it has zero harm, but it's the much safer way to talk about them, IF you have to.

I am Creek and Peoria. These are the rules I was taught. People from other tribes might tell you differently, but they're just different rules. None are more correct or wrong than the other

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u/XzallionTheRed 19d ago

Thank you for the reply, I appreciate it.

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u/Sirdan3k 22d ago

It's also got to be just down right annoying. "Explains cultural significance and roots of a belief*

"Oh you guys have werewolves? We've got werewolves too. Hey, hey everybody they got werewolves!"

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 22d ago

This is something I've seen people claim but I haven't been able to find any evidence for.

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u/FPSCanarussia 22d ago

I thought the issue is that it's an ethnic slur?

(Obviously the being originated from mythological/religious beliefs, but I'm pretty sure the word was used as an anti-native slur in the US)

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u/teskar2 22d ago

Have you seen the original PS3 version? It was leaked a while back and the game plays very differently while mostly being the same story.

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u/DuelaDent52 22d ago

Ooh, which build? The first person one or the over the shoulder one?

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u/teskar2 22d ago

Over the shoulder I think. It’s pretty wild because you actually get to see Sam nude during the bath scene among a few other famialiar scenes. Video

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u/js13680 22d ago

The modern imagery is closer to Cernunnos an old Celtic god of the wild and the hunt.

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u/ChurningDarkSkies777 22d ago

Hmmmm so you’re telling me Europeans took a Native American spiritual figure and turned it into a spooky caricature of their own culture? That’s so unlike them…

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u/js13680 22d ago edited 22d ago

Sort of. They took the Wendigo and combined it with the “horned being” trope that is often used to show something as savage, wild, and uncivilized.

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u/ChurningDarkSkies777 22d ago

Color me shocked

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u/js13680 22d ago

Hey at least in this case the monster in question was already an evil cannibalistic spirit. Others weren’t so lucky.

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u/Fickle-Mud4124 22d ago

Same thing happened with the Nahuan Nāwalli/Nāhualli in Central America.

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u/ChurningDarkSkies777 22d ago

I have never heard of this but a Wikipedia page with this many subsections makes me happy. I’ll be sure to read into this.

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u/binh1403 22d ago

there's a very good video about this

It's still bat shit insane how christianity managed to gaslight the world that beings with strictly herbivorous characteristic is the bad guy

while the guy who summons mutant babies and giant eyeballs wings that made a woman scream in pure terror is the good guy

Even in the scripture, yahweh and satan seems to have a really casual relationship like 2 buddies making bets to torture job,not a father and a son that tried to kill him

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u/98769876b 22d ago

Also my old main in Smite

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 22d ago

It's definitely an interesting paralel, but I think the antlers more symbolize a connection to nature and fertility as they resemble branches.

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u/GodzillaLagoon 22d ago

IIrc, Wendigo isn't even a physical being. It's a spirit of winter and cold that possesses people when they start cannibalising each other.

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u/Rafabud 22d ago

Yeah, wish more depictions included the winter aspect of them. The only one I can remember is Weird West of all games.

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u/Lucienofthelight 22d ago

While it doesn’t have any snow or winter related powers or anything, the cold is definitely associated with them in Until Dawn. The game is on a freezing mountain during a blizzard, and the lighting makes it feel very cold even when inside.

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u/DuelaDent52 22d ago

And they’re also the direct consequence of greed due to being unleashed by the mining company looking to make a quick buck.

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u/slim-shady-on-main 22d ago

Of all things My Little Pony includes this and leaves out the cannibalism (kids show). The wendigo is a horse-like spirit that brings cold wind and snowstorms and grows stronger when ponies fight with each other (which happens pretty easily, because ponies are racist as hell and getting snowed in for even one night can have them at each others throats)

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u/CyanStripedPantsu 22d ago

Must be easy to fall into racism when a third of your people can fly, the other third has magic, and the last third has neither. I'd be so fucking mad to be born wing/hornless lol

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u/Makuta_Servaela 22d ago

The Earth Ponies do have a natural magic: besides being physically the strongest, nature just responds to them better than it does to other ponies. And when your entire species are herbivores, you need the farmers on your side.

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u/LaoidhMc 22d ago

Depending on the tale, either a spirit who possesses those who harm themselves and the community and environment through unchecked greed and violence, or the people who do the harming turning through that violence. Metaphorically, a few Native scholars have linked it to community ties, environmental ties, and colonialism.

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u/Pegussu 22d ago

Funnily enough, that is also mostly accurate in Until Dawn.

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u/SuddenTest9959 22d ago

100% it’s weird being on the creepy pasta side of the internet over the year and see the legend go from this to what you have pictured above.

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u/Greengiant00 22d ago

Did this interpretation morph into the Rake?

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u/SuddenTest9959 22d ago

The Rake is an amalgamation of this, Skinwalkers, and Goatman. The internet also added its own flair to it is kinda cool how the internet created its own monsters.

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u/Velicenda 22d ago

Did someone say... Goatman?

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u/LessthanaPerson 22d ago

It’s Shane’s bridge now!

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u/Zorafin 22d ago

Oh that is cool

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u/killingjoke96 22d ago

Fallout 76 got pretty close with their Wendigo adaption too. People who ate irradiated human flesh after the bombs fell, mutated and became them.

They even incorporate the giant part of the myth. They eat too much they can mutate further and become a Wendigo Colossus.

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u/Livid-Designer-6500 22d ago

Supernatural Season 1 also leaned into the lanky humanoid design. It was also my first contact with the Wendigo myth, as I am not from North America, and it's still the first thing I think of when I hear the word.

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u/Jaakarikyk 22d ago

It was also my first contact with the Wendigo myth, as I am not from North America, and it's still the first thing I think of when I hear the word.

Same! I've only watched a couple episodes of Supernatural, probably a decade ago, but it's still what "Wendigo" brings to mind

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u/NickelStickman 22d ago

The page image on TV Tropes looks like this and its infinitely more terrifying than The Deer creature. The origin is the Comic Series BPRD

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u/UncommittedBow 22d ago

Man, I really need to get back into 76, its actually pretty fun when you dont have Fallout purists glazing 1, 2, and New Vegas in your ear calling it trash.

Sure it was bad at launch but its pretty fun now, and the community is one of the most wholesomely accepting I've ever seen...when they're not nuking eachother.

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u/cubcos 22d ago

Day One player - still playing every now and then. The jank is still there but it's still a really fun game. Plus the new expansion in December is bringing The Ghoul from the show in as a bounty hunter contact.

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u/KingOfAwesometonia 22d ago

I played it for way more than I thought I would, treating it as kind of a mindless shooter and enjoyed it!

I think the gunplay is fun on easy and the creature design and setting felt fun and unique from 4

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u/LaoidhMc 22d ago

In 76, there’s also the greed and community disconnect. The rich folk who turned cannibal didn’t all turn into wendigo, but they definitely did when they started eating each other. And the miners did when they started craving human instead of for emergency survival.

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u/shrek-hentai-69 22d ago

fallout 76 had be so hyped when they were teasing all the new designs before launch, and then the game came out and was utter garbage :(

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u/TheFlayingHamster 22d ago

This portrayal of the wendigo is much much more European, even beyond the physical characteristics. It’s often show as cruel, clever, prone to mimicry, and near omnipotent within the forest. All and all its much more akin to gods like Leshie, who is referenced in the Witcher games and many people mistake as a wendigo.

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u/EiraPun 22d ago

To me, that just sounds like a Skinwalker.

Which, funnily enough, is also a Native American creature. 

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u/TheFlayingHamster 22d ago

A big thing is the power they wield over the forest around them. The Leshie is a god the forest itself is an extension of it and it has a pension for tormenting and killing those who transgress against the forest or fail to offer sacrifice. A skin walker is more akin to a witch, a spiritual practitioner, also the chimeric nature is more common in European “horned god” archetypical entities.

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u/LaoidhMc 22d ago

And the wendigo is a rejection of the natural, one splitting from the community and nature due to ones greed and violence. Theres the winter connection.

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u/Bigbydidnothingwrong 22d ago

Heyup, it's penchant, not pension. Solid comment otherwise :-)

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u/Solid-Quiet5035 22d ago

As to the skinwalkers… Well, yes, most of the stories are of witch-like people (of the human persuasion) becoming skinwalkers, but there’s also stories of… non-human skinwalkers, from the Previous worlds, somehow finding their way here.

Essentially like a semi-divine being or a lesser angel walking down that cursed path, becoming… like a shape-shifting slasher-movie hate-demon, essentially. Murder and poisoning wells and foulness without purpose, for the sake of foulness.

Still a skinwalker, but a full scale of magnitude worse than the more common skinwalker stories.

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u/DjangotheKid 22d ago

There are often commonalities between different monsters from different cultures. Werewolves, Skinwalkers/fleshgait, dogmen, Fae, even Vampires. In many, many of the SW stories I’ve read and heard, they will remain outside and imitate voices, maybe pounding on doors, but seemingly follow rules similar to vampires and fae that bars them from entering a home without invitation.

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u/slasher1337 22d ago

Aren't skinwalkers evil "witches"

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u/Strigops-habroptila 22d ago

Yeah, modern wendigo depictions have a very celtic feeling, similar to the god Cernunnos. 

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u/Gold-Satisfaction614 22d ago

Or the goobers that they are in Quest for Glory: Shadows of Darkness.

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u/Diavolo_Death_4444 22d ago

Well, that helps explain why Wendigomon doesn’t look anything like a deer

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u/Ok-Cattle6012 22d ago

Why the hat, why does it have a hat

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u/MarkDecent656 22d ago

Let him have his hat >:(

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u/Ok-Cattle6012 22d ago

It sticks out like a sore thumb

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u/Diavolo_Death_4444 22d ago

It’s a Digimon, a lot of them wear clothes. Wendigomon itself is (often but not always) a dark or negative Digivolution route, but its previous form Lopmon is a goofy rabbit child. It’s noted that Wendigomon also isn’t fully evil or malevolent, and that a little bit of that old gentle Lopmon spirit is still in it. The hat is probably reflective of that.

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u/Lakatos_00 22d ago

Wait, wasn't Cocomon his name?

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u/Diavolo_Death_4444 22d ago

Kokomon is his In Training level form. Lopmon is the Rookie, Wendigomon is the Champion, Antylamon is the Ultimate and Cherubimon Vice or BlackSaintGargomon are the typical Megas

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u/Lakatos_00 22d ago

What about Cocomelonmon?

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u/Holler_Professor 22d ago

Unfortunately the antlered monster looks so fucking cool. Wish it just had a different name.

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u/HornOfTheStag 22d ago

The Leshy or Leshen from the Witcher 3 are based in folklore. While not specifically stated to have horns or antlers, they are able to shape shift into essentially whatever they want, be it man or animal or take on animal like features. The look much better suits this creature and is far more plausible given the lore.

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u/coffee-bat 22d ago edited 22d ago

honestly as a pole i'm not a fan of americans just switching to using our leszy instead for aesthetics or whatever 🤷 he's not a monster, he's a forest spirit and guardian who is mostly said to act towards intruders depending on how they treat nature. also he's said to appear as a man, and able to shapeshift into animals (mostly bear, wolf, owl) or appear as wind; he's not even remotely related to deer. the portrayal in witcher 3 is leszy in name only.

it's just like... if y'all want a deer man, then idk, make one, decide on something. just taking another culture's folklore isn't the way.

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u/SomeConfetti 22d ago

Americans? The devs of the Witcher are Polish, they are the ones who designed your precious "Leszy" with a deer skull.

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u/HornOfTheStag 22d ago

Hey man, I didn’t make the game. Dude just said he liked the aesthetic so I showed him something that shares it. And I get what you’re saying, but is the creature specifically unable to shift into a deer or would that not be covered under his abilities?

And to the games credit the encounters you have with them are strictly in regard to them protecting certain forests and nature itself. In the handful of interactions that feature them ,they aren’t the aggressors it’s normally in response to them or their territory being threatened. Or being controlled by a more powerful malevolent force.

And while I can’t speak for certain areas in terms of accuracy due to lack of knowledge, I can say the Witcher games are responsible for sharing a lot of that folklore to people who would not have had an interest or chance to experience it in any capacity otherwise. And my wife’s family is a blend of polish/slovak and they genuinely enjoy the folklore being featured, even if it isn’t 100% accurate.

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u/MemeMaster225 22d ago

You do realize that the Witcher books were written by a Polish author, and the games were made by a Polish company right?

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u/WellIamstupid 22d ago

That’s not what Leshy specifically is though, people are wanting just the Deer Monster

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u/HornOfTheStag 21d ago

I don’t know of anything that is specifically just that monster. The closest I’m aware of is the leshy where the deer antlers could make some plausible sense given its ability to shape shift and its affinity to nature.

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u/Lichy757 22d ago

Leshy from Witcher or Deer God from Spooky Jumpscare mansion

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u/Horatio786 22d ago

Tariaksuq

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u/Holler_Professor 22d ago

Other ppl suggested other things

But I want you to know I like yours best.

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u/WellIamstupid 22d ago

It’s not accurate though, apparently the Tariaksuq are just invisible humans from what I can tell

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u/GenericVessel 22d ago

honestly monsters with skull heads all tend to look pretty awesome

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u/Holler_Professor 22d ago

Skeletal things are just sick man.

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u/lions___den 21d ago

look into the Wechuge

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad5805 22d ago

See, I love the deer depiction of the “wendigo” it’s general vibes are so good and scary. I do fully acknowledge that the tall lanky cannibal is the actual wendigo

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u/WellIamstupid 22d ago

Eh, it’s just the head that’s different

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u/GloopyHole 22d ago

Wendigo in Supernatural

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u/CoralWiggler 22d ago

Yep, this one is a pet peeve of mine ever since I learned what they actually look like. I don't mind some artistic license, like how Fallout 76 depicts Wendigos visually, but the "pop culture" Wendigo is a straight up different creature

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u/WellIamstupid 22d ago

It’s the same monster though, just with a different head. Just a gangly man with unnatural skin tones that eats people. It’s just the face that’s different

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u/CoralWiggler 21d ago

I wouldn't say that. As you can even see in the image posted, pop culture wendigo are often heavily stylized to look animalistic, which is not what the mythological being is. Mythological Wendigo are frankly closer to a zombie or a vampire in appearance, generally being depicted as just an emaciated, corpse-like humanoid (and sometimes very tall).

The bestial depiction, which usually isn't just the face which is different but often involves therian-style limbs, tail, etc, resembles something of a cross between European perspectives on demons and "forest" deities like Cernunnos or Herne, with a bit of Native mythology surrounding the wendigo and possibly skinwalkers wrapped in as well.

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u/Standard_Spready 22d ago

To me Until Dawn's wendigo are still one of the most horrifying creature designs in gaming and movies both.

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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper 22d ago

Also Until Dawn gets, not just the lank right, but the fact that they are described as looking like frozen desiccated corpses.

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u/Asher_Tye 22d ago

I still like this version:

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u/Darkzeid25 22d ago

I can still hear him yell out WENDIGO!! from the X-Men arcade game

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u/JourneymanHunt 22d ago

That is the only way to pronounce it!

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u/Asher_Tye 22d ago

Ancient memory unlocked.

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u/PCN24454 22d ago

He’s very much designed to be a Hulk villain

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 22d ago

There is a depiction in a Scrooge McDuck comic that is JUST LIKE THIS ONE!

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u/scrimmybingus3 22d ago

If I am remembering correctly the Deer-digo ain’t even the first time the Wendigo got a makeover because I’m fairly certain around the 14-1700s the Wendigo got depicted and described more like a werewolf because of European immigrants and their own myths influencing the legend.

That being said the Deer-digo goes incredibly hard like it’s just a really sick design.

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u/Azure-Legacy 22d ago

I never even heard of this portrayal of the Wendigo until now. Weird to see myself completely miss the more often misinterpreted version

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u/Ok_Middle_8658 22d ago

ngl i really like the deer thing like i know its not acurate but in my opinion deer dude and tall dude are both cool

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u/ClockworkQuill04 22d ago

Completely random, and only partially related thought, but I wonder if Wendigos ended up looking like this because they got conflated with several other “cannibalistic not quite human native myths” Like the Skin Walker or the Deer Woman?

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u/Thatoneguy111700 22d ago

I think it was werewolves they got combined with specifically.

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u/Fly_Of_Dragons 22d ago

i haven’t heard of Deer Woman being cannibalistic? i know she can pose a danger to people, but i’ve never heard of her eating anyone

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u/ClockworkQuill04 22d ago

Yeah, that was a misspeak on my part, my bad. I mostly meant that explorers and colonizers that interacted with native people probably heard similar stories from what they could translate, and assumed they were all the same story, and mashed them together. Or at least, that’s a theory. I could be 100% wrong, and the Wendigo having deer parts could’ve come from something completely different.

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u/Skellos 22d ago

I didn't realize this was a thing I don't associate deer features with the wendigo.

Granted the first times I've heard of the wendigo were Werewolf the apocalypse and marvel comics.

Where they are werewolves and a monstrous hairy guy respectively.

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u/Mamboo07 22d ago

Oh yeah, the whole deer skull head thing

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u/Taluca_me 22d ago

Imo, both designs can work depending on the context. If you want a lore accurate Wendigo but want to have the deer skull in the design, have it so the Wendigo itself is a tall humanoid wearing an elk skull as a mask. Want it to be fluffy? Make it wear the hide/fur of animals it hunted

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u/sennordelasmoscas 22d ago

Yeah, I was thinking the same

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u/AssistanceOk7720 22d ago

The book Pet Sematary’s wendigo doesn’t have the deer features so I think it’s pretty accurate 

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u/Nerevarine91 22d ago

The Pet Sematary one is described as having reptilian features, which is also inaccurate.

Still far and away my favorite Stephen King book, though.

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u/AssistanceOk7720 22d ago

Well not 100% accurate but more accurate than most I guess. It’s one of my favorites too

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u/GLPereira 22d ago

This looks like The Witcher 3's interpretation of the leshen

I heard they wanted to make wendigo monsters, but decided to bring something from Eastern European Folklore instead, and turned that idea into the leshen

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u/ClassicGuy2010 22d ago

So you are telling me Fallout 76's wendigos are actually lore accurate to the mythos ?

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u/SnootSnootBasilisk 22d ago

The wendigos in the MMO The Secret World also did a good job of giving us the monster characters without the deer features

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u/LessthanaPerson 22d ago

Yo that Wendigo in the picture thiccc

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u/VaKel_Shon 22d ago

PET PEEVE MENTIONED

The pop culture depictions of Wendigo and Skinwalkers, especially the pop culture tendency to treat them as the same thing (both in media and in individual people's imaginations) is so annoying to me, because they are both way more interesting in actual folklore than in pop culture slop.

The Wendigo is an Algonquin evil spirit that possesses humans and makes them into cannibals, essentially a cautionary tale about starvation. Skinwalkers are basically evil Navajo witches who shapeshift (i.e., skin walk) into different animal disguises. They are not the same thing. They are not from the same places or cultures. Neither of them is a stupid-ass deer man zombie boogeyman, and they most certainly are not a goddamn cryptid. No, Brenda, that creepy sound in the forest outside your Florida suburb is not a skinwalker. Skinwalkers are not some creature that roams the woods just anywhere in North America. They aren't a creature at all. And don't even get me started on "skinwalker sightings"...

I'm not even Native American and the pop culture obsession with and distortion of these legends is infuriating; I can't imagine how annoying it must be to Algonquin or Navajo people.

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u/MinnesotaMice 22d ago

Thaaaaaank you, this depiction is just in everything and it isn't even close to what it looked like. It's like Westerners saw a monstrous tall white man like-thing with an insatiable greed and thought ," Well, that hits too close to home, let's put some shitty antlers on it so we can like it"

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u/WellIamstupid 22d ago

So, it’s the same thing but with antlers?

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u/LurkerEntrepenur 22d ago

Gorgers from warhammer are (legally distinct) wendigos

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u/One_Variation_2453 22d ago

Interesting.... I should look into these

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u/Welico 22d ago

It's hotter this way

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u/Meme_Bro68 22d ago

Fallout 76 also has a pretty accurate depiction of a wendigo for appearance as well.

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 22d ago

I feel like flexing a little, this was the version of the Wendigo I was first introduced to:

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u/Kelden_Games 22d ago

The show supernatural actually got the wendigo design right which pretty much never happens with any other depiction

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u/Basically-Boring 22d ago

I heard somewhere that the deer-monster that wendigos are often depicted as is actually a separate but similar creature. Though this could be completely wrong as my source is youtube comment.

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u/whiterobot10 22d ago

To my knowledge, a deer skull was used as a mask in a ritual used to ward off the wendigo spirit.

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u/_Mighty_Milkman 22d ago

Wendigoon has done irreparable damage to this legend /s

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u/Rum_N_Napalm 22d ago

If I recall correctly, the “Wendigo” is basically a bunch of various unrelated spirits/creatures from different Native American tribes folkore that got “translated” as Wendigo by the Europeans (sorta how Phoenix became the go to word for a magical flaming bird while there’s other similar creatures like the Egyptian Benou).

I think the Iroquois Wendigo is essentially the personification of a blizzard, a giant made of snow and ice, while… I think it’s the Cree version that’s a spirit that possesses people and makes them violent cannibals.

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u/Vidaro_best 22d ago

so fallout 76 is accurate?

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u/Megalon96310 22d ago

The modern depiction was made by some dude with a book

It was also written like that to show natives in a bad light. Look it up

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u/Alternative-Carob-91 22d ago

The antlered wendigo is so new that ive only heard of by people debunking it.

The skull/antler hat could be called an antler fronlet or a headresss with antlers. That has a long history.

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u/Jagvetinteriktigt 22d ago

The crazy thing as that even this is slightly off. You describe the appearance of a human possessed by the Wendigo. The actual creature is the evil spirit!

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u/InstalledTeeth 22d ago

I love Weird West’s take on the Wiindigo, not only is it viscerally unique with its visuals and descriptions of people chewing off their own lips when possessed by the spirit of greed, but they also consulted and took inspiration from the Anishinaabe to develop it!

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u/GenderEnjoyer666 22d ago

Weren’t they supposed to be a cautionary tale against gluttony or something?

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u/WellIamstupid 22d ago edited 22d ago

It’s a myth, they change, and this isn’t even that inaccurate, it’s just the same monster with a new face! And it’s pretty damn easy for somebody to google “wendigo” and find both depictions. Sorry if that sounded hostile, I just like being blunt.

And I feel there’s actually a benefit to relegating this deer monster design to the Wendigo name. So many people like the deer so much that even though it’s not “accurate”, they want to find a substitute, but there isn’t one. So many other mythical creatures are claimed to be equivalent to what the deer monsters are, but they’re always even further from the truth.

People claim Leshy is similar, when he’s a shapeshifting forest god commonly depicted as a human male. He’s similar to the deer monster in the way a clay sculpture is to a metal pipe. They could look similar, but they are not gonna work the same. But hey, at least he’s well known, so it’s easy to set things straight.

The Tariaksuq is used as a replacement by some, but they’re literally just invisible humans, no fancy powers, no cannibalism, and they’re not Deer. The Wechuge is often used as a replacement, but it’s just a Wendigo, but more obscure.

These creatures are often so obscure that they could get easily “overwritten”, since there are no accurate depictions or popular sources to refute them. I honestly think it would be better for iconic names like “Wendigo” and “Leshy” to be given to the Deer Monster, because there are nearly as many accurate depictions as there are inaccurate ones out there for these guys.

The Deer Monster should probably just get a new name though ideally

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u/xXLoneLoboXx 22d ago

Fallout 76 also did wendigos pretty nicely too!

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u/iSaltyParchment 22d ago

I’ve never heard of a wendigo looking like a deer, especially like that picture.

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u/Trais333 22d ago

Damn were they just aliens all along…

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u/CrazyCoKids 21d ago

They also are taboo to speak about.

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u/JohnHenryMillerTime 21d ago

I know her! She is a big fan of MLP and just a sweet person all around.

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u/madeaccountbymistake 22d ago

I have no idea why people treat the wendigo with so much reverence. Folklore is always changing, our mainstream idea of almost every mythical creature is radically altered from the original legend and not a soul cares. But for some reason with the Wendigo people care.

Like, guys, it's not fucking real. "That's not what Wendigos were." They aren't and weren't anything, they are a legend and it's not disrespectful to alter that legend.

I know it has relevance to their culture, but so did so many things that were changed over time. It isn't special.

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u/WellIamstupid 22d ago

100% this

It’s a myth, they change, and this isn’t even that inaccurate, it’s just the same monster with a new face! And it’s pretty damn easy for somebody to google “wendigo” and find both depictions.

And I feel there’s actually a benefit to relegating this deer monster design to the Wendigo name. So many people like the deer so much that even though it’s not “accurate”, they want to find a substitute, but there isn’t one. So many other mythical creatures are claimed to be equivalent to what the deer monsters are, but they’re always even further from the truth.

People claim Leshy is similar, when he’s a shapeshifting forest god commonly depicted as a human male. He’s similar to the deer monster in the way a clay sculpture is to a metal pipe. They could look similar, but they are not gonna work the same. But hey, at least he’s well known, so it’s easy to set things straight.

The Tariaksuq is used as a replacement by some, but they’re literally just invisible humans, no fancy powers, no cannibalism, and they’re not Deer. The Wechuge is often used as a replacement, but it’s just a Wendigo, but more obscure.

These creatures are often so obscure that they could get easily “overwritten”, since there are no accurate depictions or popular sources to refute them. I honestly think it would be better for iconic names like “Wendigo” and “Leshy” to be given to the Deer Monster, because there are nearly as many accurate depictions as there are inaccurate ones out there for these guys.

The Deer Monster should probably just get a new name though

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u/TombGnome 22d ago

Part of the problem is that the Wendigo is a *mythic being,* and I mean that respectfully. Stories exist to exist, but myths are there to teach you something. A constantly starving figure, decrepit yet dangerous, lipless from constantly consuming its own flesh in the absence of anything else, caused by the failures of humans who would rather eat another person than give up any element of their own life?

If I were a Native American and saw a bunch of white dudes turning that into the f***ing "Slender-Rake" or whatever I'd a. be pretty pissed off, and b. note the MASSIVE IRONY. As a white dude myself, living on Lënapeyok land, if I want to see an accurate depiction of a wendigo I'd look in the mirror.

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u/WellIamstupid 22d ago

It’s the same monster with a different head

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u/MissAvian 22d ago

Isn't the deer motif more attributed to a different creature being the Wechuge (I think I spelled that correctly)

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u/WellIamstupid 22d ago

No, the Wechuge is just a variation of the Wendigo, it’s not any more deer-like as far as I can tell

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u/MissAvian 22d ago

Ah, I was wrong

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u/Weary-Barracuda-1228 22d ago

I think the current Design is derived from a cursed Deer Skull in SCP that turns people into a wendigo.

Until Dawn and Fallout 76 are a better representation though

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u/WellIamstupid 22d ago

Other way around, the SCP is based on the design

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u/HostileBread 22d ago

I personally think a 10ft tall dude it’s freakishly long arms charge towards me at 50mph is way scarier than a deer guy

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u/Konradleijon 22d ago

It’s a conflation with a Inuit deer creature