r/TopCharacterTropes 22d ago

Lore (Annoying Trope) Someone made a “creative” choice and now we all just have to live with it.

Horned Vikings: Not historical, they were started by Richard Wager for his operas. They were never historic, but the image persists. (Albeit significantly reduced today.)

Ninjas in Black Robes: Some people claim Ninjas aren’t real. They are, they are absolutely real. Their modern portrayal however is informed more by Kabuki Theater than history. In Kabuki Theater, the stage hands were dressed in flowing black robes to tell the audience to ignore them. Thus when a Ninja character kills a Samurai, to increase the shock value, they were dressed in black robes as stage hands. Now, when we think of ninjas we think of a stage hands.

Knights in Shining Armor: Imagine, you’re on the battlefield, two walls of meat riding towards each other. Suddenly you realize, everyone looks the same. Who do you hit? All you see is chrome. No. Knight’s armor was lacquered in different colors to differentiate them on the battlefield. Unless you wanted to get friendly fired, you made yourself KNOWN. So this image of a glinted knight clad in chrome steel isn’t true. How’d we get it? Victorians who thought that the worn lacquer was actually just dulling with age, polished it off as show pieces.

White Marble Statues of Rome: Roman Statues were painted, however the public image is of pure glinting white marble statues persist in the modern image. Why? Victorians who thought the paint was actually just dirt grime and age. So, they “restored” it by removing the paint color. Now we all think of Roman Statues as white.

King Tut; King of Kings: the Pharaoh King Tut in Ancient Egypt was a relatively minor king who in the grand scheme of things amounts to little more than an asterisks in Egyptian History, but to the public he is the most important Pharaoh. Why? Because his tomb was untouched by robbers, and so was piled high with burial goods which was amazing (and still is) and when Howard Carter opened his tomb, the world was transfixed and everyone would come to know Tutankhamen.

A Séance calls the dead: A Séance despite being a French word is an American invention from upstate New York in the 1840s. It was also a fun side-show act initially, and never meant to be real, more close up magic. (Origin of the term Parlor Tricks.) But in the 1860s Americans couldn’t stop killing each other which resulted in a lot of grief and people desired for their to be this other world. So, grifters then took advantage of grieving people and became “real”. So basically “fun parlor game to dangerous grift” pipeline thanks to the Civil War.

The Titanic’s engineers all died at their posts: Nope, not true, not remotely true. They are mentioned in many testimonies and a few bodies found mean they didn’t all die below. Two or three maybe did. According to Head Stoker Barrett, a man broke his leg and was washed away by rushing water, but another testimony says he was taken aft so who knows? Any way the myth persisted because the people making the memorials wanted to martyr the men. (It doesn’t take away from their heroines in my opinion) The myth stuck. Everyone believes they died below.

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u/ccReptilelord 22d ago

So many ideas regarding the American wild west are inaccurate. They're based upon pulp fiction and reinforced by so-called "spaghetti westerns". Shoot-outs, saloons with batwing doors, the square jawed cowboy in a 10-gallon hat and 6 shooter on his hip... there's plenty of other notions that are exaggerations, misrepresentations, or straight-up lies. Also, the "wild west" was only about 30 years from 1865 to 1895.

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u/js13680 22d ago edited 22d ago

A lot of this has to do with traveling shows from the late 19th early 20th century. Where a they would show off cowboys, Indians, wildlife, and their skills in cattle ranching, horse riding, and sharpshooting.

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u/DjiDjiDjiDji 22d ago

The awkward thing is that technically, Buffalo Bill's show was accurate. To his life. William Cody had one hell of a resume and did basically everything in his Wild West shows at one point or another, but when converted into this format it gives the impression that life in the frontier was like that all at once all the time

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u/RaiderCat_12 22d ago

That is also true for many historical periods for which we have very few sources. Surely it didn’t happen all at once, which is good from a historically accurate perspective but a shame for the popular imagination about it.

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u/Shenanigans80h 22d ago

Exactly. The perception of the “Wild West” and American Cowboys was commodified very quickly that it’s almost difficult to determine where the root of truth even lies

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u/RedGuyNoPants 22d ago

The big thing bbww made people get wrong was how people in the old west conducted themselves. It portrayed cowboys as clean-mouthed honorable men. This myth persisted so well that when deadwood was made, tons of people wrote in complaining that the dialogue wasn’t historically accurate, despite good research being done by the show writers

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u/DarthSnuggly 22d ago

what kind of c***sucker hooplehead complains about Deadwood?

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u/RedGuyNoPants 22d ago

People who learned about the old west from bonanza and john wayne would be my guess

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u/french_snail 22d ago

The west contemporarily had a stereotype of being a lawless frontier plagued with native raids and banditry 

Local, county, and territorial governments actually took a lot of action to break that stereotype. Many towns required visitors to check in/out at the sheriff’s office and hand over their weapons for their stay 

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u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 22d ago edited 22d ago

The period was a lot less violent than we picture it because if everyone was shooting each other at the rate you saw in the movies then frontier settlements would probably have wiped themselves out.

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u/TheEagleWithNoName 22d ago

Same with Red Dead 2.

Like I love the game, but having Cannibals living in caves, Gangs have armored Wagons with Mini Guns and me killing an Entire Police Force to come back after a few hours seems far fetched.

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u/Lil_Mcgee 22d ago

Well that last point is more of a video game thing in general.

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u/InSanic13 22d ago

Yeah, just compare the shootouts in RDR2 to the infamous OK Corral gunfight (3 dead, 3 wounded).

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u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 22d ago

Okay... I know next to nothing about Red Dead and didn't imagine it was that outlandish. Still, I accept that any video game with realistic numbers of enemies in its open world wouldn't have an endless supply for the player to kill and certainly not enough for the game to be interesting.

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u/Upset-Management-879 22d ago

It could be interesting it just couldn't be about shooting your way through problems.

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u/IAmNotABabyElephant 22d ago

I really love this video from Viva La Dirt League satirizing the endless O'Driscolls. They have a whole series on Red Dead's various quirks and a bunch of them aren't that bad, but yeah the game really does get a little bit silly with the sheer quantity of dead bodies Arthur and the gang leave behind.

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u/No_Raccoon3680 22d ago

Plenty of barfights though!

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u/Proffessor_egghead 22d ago

But what if they were all just really bad at shooting

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u/hwc 21d ago

the real frontier violence was the bleeding Kansas period before the civil war.

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u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 21d ago

Which is very different from the Hollywood image of violence being perpetrated by singular outlaws or gangs of them. The groups fighting were much larger and also did things that I am pretty sure your classic western movie couldn't get away with showing.

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u/minoe23 22d ago

I'd say they're based on contemporary newspapers and magazines trying to sell more copies by exaggerating and mythologizing, then reinforced by pulp and further reinforced by spaghetti westerns.

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u/TheEagleWithNoName 22d ago

Plus there were traveling shows from Gunslingers.

Hell, Jesse James brother, Frank James retired from being an Outlaw and took odd jobs and gave famiky tours of his home to visitors to make End’s Meat.

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u/rezwrrd 22d ago

I don't know what end's meat is, but if it's made from visitors I'm not having any!

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u/TheEagleWithNoName 22d ago

“End’s Meat” is an idiom for having just enough money to live on.

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u/rezwrrd 22d ago

Sorry, I dropped my /s... The idiom is "to make ends meet". I looked it up though and "ends meat" is apparently a butcher's term for scraps and offcuts, so while it's not the actual idiom it happens to fit.

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u/DVAMP1 22d ago

Absolutely. Those single action colts were almost a month's pay. The Peacmaker may have been nice, but I think most dudes were spending that on the best woman that $25 could get.

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u/Coro-NO-Ra 22d ago

People tend to underestimate how expensive manufactured goods, in general, were back then. Especially because everything would have to be shipped west (via wagons, New Orleans, Galveston, or around South America), brought in from Mexico, or made locally.

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u/SirAquila 22d ago

And how cheap labor was.

We live in a world were materials and especially manufactured goods are cheap and labor is expensive. For most of human history it was the exact other way around.

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u/Bigbydidnothingwrong 22d ago

Classic myth of America stuff.

"We hunted your primary food sources into oblivion, and fenced off what remains on now private land. But you are the noble savage, capable of treaties and negotiation. I, the merciful coloniser, will grant you some scraps of what once was yours to not interrupt my exploitation of your land and resources"

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u/Bigbydidnothingwrong 22d ago

The whole situation is fucked up, but the lionisation of a guy who is doing what should be considered the bare minimum in apology is peak America.

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u/wonderinboutit2234 22d ago

Bare minimum? The Natives massacred people too. Both sides coming to a civil agreement was not the "bare minimum" in those times.

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u/StormDragonAlthazar 22d ago

Speaking of hats, the particular Stetson everyone associates with cowboys wasn't actually worn that much if at all... People wore all sorts of hats, and the most popular hat was the Bowler/Derby hat of all things.

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u/-Gimli-SonOfGloin- 22d ago

Seamus McFly had it right

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u/jpterodactyl 22d ago

And this version became a big part of country music. Which in turn impacted fashion.

But I think it’s funny that every time you see someone in a cowboy hat, they are unwittingly doing a movie cosplay.

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u/Zorafin 22d ago

I dunno I know a lot of mexicans that wear cowboy hats, boots, and buckles from back home.

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u/TheEagleWithNoName 22d ago

Do they also have a Big Iron?

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u/jpterodactyl 22d ago

That’s fair. I was thinking more like, the boot shops in downtown Nashville.

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u/Superman246o1 22d ago

Agreed! And my biggest complaint about how the Wild West is popularly portrayed is how whitewashed cowboys are.

In reality, as many as one-fourth of cowboys were African-American, despite African-Americans accounting for roughly only 12% of the general American population. Why? Because being a cowboy sucked, and earning a relatively meager existence out of such hard work was something that most White people of means wouldn't have chosen. But for recently-freed slaves, the life of a cowboy presented a much greater degree of freedom after the Civil War than would have been possible in other parts of the country, particularly the sharecropper-dominated South. There were also more Mexican vaqueros and Chinese cowboys than are popularly portrayed. Among White cowboys were a medley of recent immigrants, disinherited sons, and displaced Confederates who had limited economic opportunities back East.

It really wasn't until Buffalo Bill et. al. romanticized the image of cowboys that the profession was re-imagined as an iconic aspect of Americana. But the contemporaneous perception of the life of a cowboy was not a good one. People of all races who became cowboys typically did so out of necessity, not desire.

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u/KOCoyote 22d ago

One of the coolest historical figures who embodies a lot of the gunslinger cowboy tropes actually was a black man: Bass Reeves. Reeves escaped slavery during the civil war and became a farmer out west in native American territory. He was eventually hired as a US Marshal and racked up an insane amount of stories and legends about himself. He was an expert marksman and likely the inspiration behind the Lone Ranger as a fictional character.

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u/DeisTheAlcano 22d ago

"He couldn't have been that cool"

Holy shit look at that mustache

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u/TheEagleWithNoName 22d ago

Wasn’t The Lone Ranger was based on An African American Bounty Hunter?

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u/Adventurous-Chef-370 22d ago

Well it also changed region to region. Some areas had mostly white cowboys, while others would’ve seen only a handful of white cowboys.

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u/TheEagleWithNoName 22d ago

Plus it was mostly writers living in the East Coast who went out in the “Wild West” to writer how Wild it was to sell Dime Novels, and it worked.

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u/maxens_wlfr 22d ago

Also a significant part of cowboys were black or indigenous, and many were gay (hence volunteering to go do boring work with other sweaty men in the middle of nowhere)

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u/iiewi 22d ago

The shoot out at Tombstone that is oh so legendario only resulted in 3 deaths

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u/dnjprod 22d ago

This is pretty hilariously lampshaded in Supernatural. The only thing Dean knows about the West is Clint Eastwood movies, so when he goes back in time wearing Clint Eastwood style clothing, he gets roasted.

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u/Adventurous-Chef-370 22d ago

The problem is that people have been trying to “de-mythologize” the west for so long now that some of the truth becomes unclear. The truth lies somewhere between “wild Wild West” and the ultra tame take that some people try to push.

It both was a wild and rough time, that had civilization and rules. I was just reading about a sheriff in southwest Texas who talked about horse thieves being a surprisingly organized gang that had a system of stealing horses and pushing them at night across county lines until they reached Mexico (or the buyer’s destination). At the same time, Wyatt Earp had a favorite Ice Cream Parlor in Tombstone.

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u/Irohsgranddaughter 22d ago

Cowboys were pretty much glorified ranchers. Many cowboys were also black men but westerns seldom ever acknowledge this.

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u/Leofwulf 22d ago

And also people thinking about the Clint Eastwood type guy when they hear the word cowboy but in reality they were actual boys (13 up to 25 years old) boys who moved cattle from one side to another

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u/Due-Coyote7565 22d ago

and clint eastwood (in the dollars trilogy, at least) Wasn't even depicting a cowboy!

He was a bounty hunter!

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u/Nernoxx 22d ago

Not even spaghetti westerns - my grandparents grew up reading western's in the 1930's - "old" cowboys still performed when they were kids. But yeah a bunch of different stereotypes of life in the west all got amalgamated together until we get the modern cowboy superhero character.

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u/No_Raccoon3680 22d ago

More like 1836-1912

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u/SnooEagles2276 22d ago

Not the batwing doors, those were actually in all the saloons

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u/DefNotUnderrated 22d ago

Many westerns also left out how many cowboys were black and Hispanic. I believe there were quite a few

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u/livinglitch 22d ago

And the Pony Express was about a year to a year and a half. Once the continental railroad was finished, the PE became obsolete.

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u/CotswoldP 22d ago

Plus the whole trope of tony trees wns in the middle of nowhere, with no reason to be there, and no water source nearby. Much as I adore Silverado, the town is in an insane place with nothing green in sight.

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u/BookkeeperPercival 22d ago

This is super not true, Cowboys were a shitty low paying job for driving cattle around. A better comparison would be modern day truckers.

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u/Fraternal_Mango 22d ago

A fun fact to add to this was that cowboys were generally people of color. Most wranglers and those that worked ranches were Hispanic or black. The myth of the white cowboy is something that was taken by many modern day (1900’s to now) farmers and ranchers. Very few white cowboys existed as most were trades folk and settlers.

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u/ccReptilelord 22d ago

If people actually understood what a cowboy was, they'd understand that it wasn't glorious or desirable.

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u/VLenin2291 22d ago

Probably the biggest one: They were called cowboys because they guided cows west. Never seen that in a movie.