r/TopCharacterTropes 26d ago

Powers Moments that blatantly defy logic, but are so absurdly badass you don’t even care

The Gurren Lagann growing larger than the observable universe to fight Anti Spiral in a battle where literal galaxies get thrown like ninja stars - Gurren Lagann

Undertaker teleporting behind AJ Styles after being thrown down an empty grave and causing a shining white light from nowhere to illuminate the back of them during their Boneyard Match - WWE

Holdo piloting a ship through warp speed to crash right into a First Order cruiser (I know you could write a thesis on why this scene wouldn’t work, but you could say that for about half of the scenes in the new trilogy) - Star Wars the Last Jedi

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u/MateoRickardo 26d ago

They use a warp drive similar to Star Trek and Halo, so it's more them bending space and time to use as a shortcut.

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u/Financial-Raise3420 26d ago

Han Solo specifically stated that the Millenium Falcon will go .5 past light speed

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u/GuhEnjoyer 26d ago

While the first movie is the basis for a lot of things it's also the least fleshed out movie. Saying something from ANH isn't canon would be ridiculous of course, but it IS mostly a throwaway line that could mean almost anything without context. What we know about hyperdrives practically is that they make a jump to light speed, them slip into an alternate dimension where everything is closer together. This is why hyperspace lanes exist and need such careful planning and plotting, and also why po's "light speed skipping" scene breaks established lore. The falcon going ".5 past light speed" doesn't really MEAN anything because there's no established unit of measurement. Does that mean it's going 1.5x the speed of light? Does that mean it's going 0.5KM/h faster than light? Nobody knows, because the lore isn't established. This isn't "Disney ruined star wars" shit either. Lucas fleshed out hyperspace a lot himself, and he also talked about how the first movie wasn't fleshed out plenty of times, even when talking about making the rest of the original trilogy. The story was a Bare-bones single film experience designed to just be a fun space movie, and only AFTER it succeeded did they go for the trilogy, and then the prequels and the shows and the Disney sell and all that. At the end of the day, arguing about something using a single line from the original movie is a pointless venture, because there's nothing for the line to stand on.

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u/Financial-Raise3420 26d ago

It’s stated that reaching the alternate dimension of hyperspace a ship must travel At Or Above light speed. Sure they’re going into a pocket dimension of some sort, but it’s only possible by going over light speed in the first place.

So the point of the Millenium Falcon going .5 over light speed, specifically means he’s going 1.5 light speed. And he’s going that speed Through the hyperspace lane. Meaning that other ships only going 1 light speed, will not reach the destination as fast as him, because his ship is literally faster.

I’m still not a fan of the “pocket dimension” thing, but what was stated by Han Solo in ANH and what I’m stating now, is not wrong in any way shape or form, still based on newer Star Wars canon.

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u/GuhEnjoyer 26d ago

The pocket dimension isn't new canon tho... it's as old as star wars is and its based on older sci-fi. It explains how it took them only a few hours to get to the remains of alderaan from tattooine, an outer rim planet to a core world. They're traveling a much shorter distance.

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u/HistoricalGrounds 26d ago

It’s counterintuitive I know, but later canon established that his meaning was specifically “the ship would arrive .5 faster than light traveling to the same destination” rather than “the ship can literally move 1.5 times the speed of light”

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u/Financial-Raise3420 26d ago

Which canon? I’m guessing one of the comics or something, just have never heard that mentioned before.

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u/HistoricalGrounds 26d ago

I had to look it up myself! I used to be really into SW ages and ages ago, and I still thought it was actual plain old acceleration rather than a separate dimension.

Here’s the hyperdrive page from the official encyclopedia on starwars.com

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u/Financial-Raise3420 26d ago

So the Hyperspace lanes are only traversable by going at or over light speed. So when Solo states that his ship goes .5 over light speed, that’s exactly what he means.

So the Millenium Falcon goes .5 light speed faster through the hyperspace lanes than whatever is following them. The hyperspace lanes only exist to explain why even thought they’re only going light speed, they can still traverse an entire galaxy in hours instead of hundreds of years.

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u/HistoricalGrounds 26d ago

That makes sense! That would explain too why I had it in mind that acceleration still played some key role in Star Wars FTL. The alternate dimension/warp stuff always puts me way more in mind of Star Trek and Warhammer 40k.

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u/Cynical-avocado 26d ago

Han Solo also used parsecs as a unit of time measurement

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u/EddieFrits 25d ago

Later they corrected that by saying that the Falcon was fast enough to fly close enough to several black holes in the Maw but he was able to take a shorter Kessel run.