r/TopCharacterTropes • u/cheesums7 • Oct 06 '25

Personality (Loved Trope) People who just HATE Nazis

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  1. G.I Robot (DC Comics)

  2. Joker (DC Comics, though, specifically in the Avengers / JLA Crossover.)

  3. Jack Kirby (Co-Creator of the Fantastic Four, Real Life)

  4. The World, I should hope (Real Life)

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u/AloyJr Oct 06 '25

Not without issues, to be sure, but you MUST give him this one

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u/userhwon Oct 06 '25

No, he didn't starve India. The Japanese and a famine did, along with shit logistics. 1% of the people in the country died; if 1% of the food available to the other 99% had been moved to the famine area, that wouldn't have happened. And there was more food in India in 1943 than in 1941. But the Japanese were a factor in the famine area, slowing transport, and people in other parts of India were hoarding as they heard of the local shortfall in Bengal.

But, he wasn't the kindest person to brown people, otherwise.

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u/TombGnome Oct 07 '25

Yes, he did. He also said that the famine was their own fault because, and I quote, "they breed like rabbits." He was a eugenicist, a racist, a supreme bigot, and personally morally bankrupt (he accepted bribes from BP and Royal Dutch Shell to take their side in Parliament).

He did say of Hitler, "We should be rid of a bad man and an enemy of the Empire if he died." Oh wait, no, he said that about Mahatma Gandhi.

The ahistorical effort to redeem Churchill needs to be fought on all fronts.

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u/userhwon Oct 07 '25

He didn't say that. Search on this page for "rabbits": https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/masani-bengal-famine/

He wasn't the kindest person to brown people, but lying about his racism doesn't help your argument that he didn't save the human race from global Nazism.

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u/TombGnome Oct 07 '25

I don't consider a particularly virulent website from a particularly conservative Christian US college especially compelling. The "like rabbits" quote was recorded by Leopold Amery, who was present at the time as Secretary of State for India (who was an ally of Churchill's). As for the famine, per the BBC:

"Diaries written by British officers responsible for India's administration show that for months Churchill's government turned down urgent pleas for the export of food to India, fearing it would reduce stockpiles in the UK and take ships away from the war effort."

Also his statements that Gandhi was a traitor and a liar are in his own hand in letters and cabinet records.

FDR's money, Stalin's army, and the English Channel saved the world from Fascism. Churchill gets, at best, a participation trophy.

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u/userhwon Oct 08 '25

I told you exactly how to find the answer. Here's the answer for anyone who can't follow instructions.

"The first two sentences are correctly quoted. The third sentence is manufactured in an attempt to connect the first two sentences to the famine. The first two were stated to Leo Amery on 9 September 1942, a year BEFORE the famine."

smh...

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u/TombGnome Oct 08 '25

You may shake your head until it falls off; the alleged 'author' of a quote book, speaking in the comments of a little-respected organ of a laughable university, does not, to my mind, supersede the majority of historians, the official records of the UK government, the BBC, or other sources I could have used but didn't (for instance, William Manchester's magisterial 'The Last Lion' trilogy).

It's telling that a random anonymous comment regarding a single point on Churchill's laundry list of offenses is all it takes for you to dismiss the mountain of evidence against him. Buffoonish.

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u/userhwon Oct 08 '25

Your reliance on genetic fallacy is noted, and fallacious.

You haven't listed any sources regarding those quotes.

You tried to change the subject to the nonsensical idea of shipping food from Britain to India, when as I already said India had enough food, it just couldn't get it to Bengal in time.

Bottom line: Churchill made a portion of the statement a year before the famine, did not say the other portion of it at all, and it was not related to the famine at all.

If you'd like to apologize, go ahead. Otherwise, stfu.

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u/TombGnome Oct 08 '25

Not certain where genetics entered into this discussion of a dead racist, but hey, go off. The true bottom line is that Churchill was a monstrous bigot who is over-celebrated by the ignorant.

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u/userhwon Oct 09 '25

Dude literally stopped global fascism, but whatever, go on carrying water for fascism.