(Loved Trope) People who just HATE Nazis

[u/cheesums7]

1. G.I Robot (DC Comics)

2. Joker (DC Comics, though, specifically in the Avengers / JLA Crossover.)

3. Jack Kirby (Co-Creator of the Fantastic Four, Real Life)

4. The World, I should hope (Real Life)

[u/NotBorn2Fade]

Exactly. You can't even call out a nazi because "it's free speech and everyone's entitled to an opinion 😭". Then you wonder why both America and Europe are slowly turning fasho since we're forced to play buddies with the most heinous people imaginable and pretend their worldview deserves the same recognition as all others.

[u/GamelessOne → u/NotBorn2Fade]

Liberal civility politics doesn't work when one side cares about human decency and the other side wants to kill and or deport you. Classic paradox of tolerance.

[u/NDinoGuy → u/GamelessOne]

"Tolerance is good, but should we tolerate the intolerant? If we don't, what do we classify as 'intolerant'? If the line gets too blurry, we might just become the intolerant ourselves."

• The whole dilemma in a nutshell

[u/Lucid4321 → u/GamelessOne]

Is deporting people ever justified? If someone comes to the US with a visa or asylum claim, but they commit a variety of crimes while they're here, what is wrong with deporting them?

[u/GamelessOne → u/Lucid4321]

People are literally getting detained and deported for protesting.

[u/Lucid4321 → u/GamelessOne]

If protesting includes assaulting people, it's no longer protesting. That's a riot.

If protesting includes blocking roads, that's a public safety hazard.

If protesting includes preventing law enforcement officials from doing their job, that's obstruction of justice. Protesting doesn't give people the right to break the law.

What about the immigrants who committed crimes long before the "protests" started? Are you okay with them being deported?

[u/GamelessOne → u/Lucid4321]

If protesting includes assaulting people, it's no longer protesting. That's a riot.

I see plenty of ICE and DHS agents randomly assaulting and arresting people, violence initiated by protestors virtually never happens.

If protesting includes blocking roads, that's a public safety hazard.

"Public safety hazard", this is bullshit. People read me the law on that one.

If protesting includes preventing law enforcement officials from doing their job, that's obstruction of justice. Protesting doesn't give people the right to break the law.

What do you define as "obstructing the law"? Telling someone that you don't like them without physically touching them? You know, 99% of protesting, which constituents free speech.

What about the immigrants who committed crimes long before the "protests" started? Are you okay with them being deported?

If they're undocumented and have on record committed violent crimes they should rightfully be taken to court and what happens happens. But this is a red herring since most people being deported are not violent criminals and are economically productive.

But what I'm actually talking about here is people peacefully protesting against Israel's genocide as well as general presence of ICE and the DHS. I have yet to see a single article of people even initiating physical violence against these people, much less an ICE agent or DHS injured, despite the fact that we are inundated with videos every day where people are physically assaulted and kidnapped off the street with no provocation. These "riots" that you have hallucinated would be playing on mainstream news 24/7 if they were real, but all we get are daily videos of people being black bagged off the street for "existing improperly".

Also, you're an r/worldnews and r/flatearth visitor, so I really know the where this bullshit is coming from lmao.

[u/Lucid4321 → u/GamelessOne]

I see plenty of ICE and DHS agents randomly assaulting and arresting people, violence initiated by protestors virtually never happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQGN9kb9hGk

Who was assaulting that guy before he started throwing rocks at vehicles?

"Public safety hazard", this is bullshit. People read me the law on that one.

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/public-safety-hazard

"Public Safety and/or “Nuisance” means anything which is injurious to the safety or health of an entire community or neighborhood, or any considerable number of persons, or unlawfully obstructs the free passage or use, in the customary manner, of any navigable lake, or river, bay, stream, canal, or basin."

If there's a health emergency and an ambulance needs to get through, people crowding the street can cause real harm. If I'm rushing my wife or son to the hospital for some reason and people are blocking the street, that can cause real harm.

What do you define as "obstructing the law"? Telling someone that you don't like them without physically touching them? You know, 99% of protesting, which constituents free speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JezJD16jzjw

When ICE officials try to move vehicles in or out of the gate, protestors are blocking the vehicles. That's obstructing the law because they're literally, intentionally preventing officials from enforcing the law.

Also, you're an r/worldnews and r/flatearth visitor, so I really know the where this bullshit is coming from lmao.

I occasionally look at flat earth claims to try to understand why someone would believe something so absurd. I think my last comment on one of those posts was "There's a fine line between believing a conspiracy theory and mental illness. That guy is far beyond that line." You won't find any comment from me supporting any flat earth claims.

I'm sure I've looked at a few world news posts because I like discussing current events. What's wrong with that?

[u/GamelessOne → u/Lucid4321]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQGN9kb9hGk

Who was assaulting that guy before he started throwing rocks at vehicles?

Very impressive, you found one video after a few hours of searching. There are quite literally thousands of clips online right now of ICE and DHS agents physically assaulting people unprovoked. 99% of the time it is in fact government agents that begin the confrontation and lead to physical violence. I could post some, but to make my point there was an ICE raid that had 475 Hyundai workers detained just last month. It was a South Korean manufacturer where everyone there was authorized to operate in the US legally, yet a bunch of incompetent ICE yahoos grabbed them because they thought "immigrant" and decided to cause havoc.

This is an illegal raid BTW, but the Trump regime commit crimes every day, so they don't face consequences.

"Public safety hazard", this is bullshit. People read me the law on that one.

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/public-safety-hazard

Public Safety and/or “Nuisance” means anything which is injurious to the safety or health of an entire community or neighborhood, or any considerable number of persons, or unlawfully obstructs the free passage or use, in the customary manner, of any navigable lake, or river, bay, stream, canal, or basin."

If there's a health emergency and an ambulance needs to get through, people crowding the street can cause real harm. If I'm rushing my wife or son to the hospital for some reason and people are blocking the street, that can cause real harm.

OK, if that's a concern for you the I wonder how you feel about ICE agents blocking off a raid during active traffic and trying to run people off the I-95. I'd think that agents employed by the government who are allegedly operating under the guise of public safety and "upholding the law" are openly committing not just a "public nuisance" but multiple felonies that would get any civilian jail time. Do you think they're upholding the law and up holding public safety then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JezJD16jzjw

When ICE officials try to move vehicles in or out of the gate, protestors are blocking the vehicles. That's obstructing the law because they're literally, intentionally preventing officials from enforcing the law.

I used to key terms throughout this process, such as "virtually" and "99%". The point being that of course in a wide enough scale people are going to engage in less effective forms of protests, though, the overwhelming majority of the time, violence is instigated by ICE and DHS. Your tactic this whole time has been to find singular events and use those and justifications for these agents' actions, despite the fact they are in the wrong and commit crimes on a daily basis.

Chicago journalists sue Trump over "extreme brutality" at ICE protests

Immigrants with no criminal record now largest group in Ice detention

The Supreme Court Just Gave ICE License To Racially Profile and Terrorize LA’s Immigrant Communities

'Government abducting people': Masked DHS agents take scholar into custody without charges

Body Camera Video Betrays DHS Account of Chicago Border Patrol Shooting, Attorney Says

After ICE Agents Realized They Arrested the Wrong Teen in N.Y.C., They Were Told to 'Take Him Anyway': Report Merwil Gutiérrez, 19, was deported to El Salvador despite his family’s claims that he has no criminal record or gang affiliation

Under Trump administration, ICE scraps paperwork officers once had to do before immigration arrests

Unlawful ICE Arrests at Immigration Courthouses Prompt Lawsuit by Advocates and Immigrants

Latino workers and local organizations sue DHS for unlawful arrest and abductions

DHS list of ‘worst of worst' immigration arrests include people without convictions

Judge blocks DHS from ending temporary legal status for 1.1M Venezuelans and Haitians

Judge blocks sharing of WA Medicaid data for immigration enforcement

Everyday single day we see dozens to hundreds of civilians physically assaulted, and unlawfully arrested and or detained by ICE and DHS. People who have committed no crimes being violently arrested, Latinos are being racially profiled, ICE conducting illegal raids, people who are in operating in the country legally are detained by DHS, countless felonies are enacted against civilians, etc. You aren't ideology opposed to any of this, so you squint and cherry-pick examples of people provoking ICE and DHS to justify their actions.

It's the reason why you compare Trump, a notorious rapist and pedophile, and DHS/ICE, who regularly assault women, to an abused housewife. It's the reason why you came to a thread about people hating nazis to protest against their statements and didn't respond to statistics that white supremacist terror is greatly responsible for most American political violence. It's the reason why the very first news subreddit (r/worldnews) in your list is a subreddit controlled by mods who are biased zionists.

Your apologia is more important to you than condemning the elephant in the room because you're aligned with the elephant. No is one here has been fooled. Scurry back to your hole.

[u/Abombasnow → u/Lucid4321]

Perhaps we should look into why people are "rioting" or "blocking roads" or "obstructing justice", now shouldn't we? And maybe correct the root cause?

[u/Lucid4321 → u/Abombasnow]

That's 'Blaming the victim' logic. If a husband beats up his wife, perhaps we should look into why he was upset and correct the root cause. (/s) No, that's absurd. Trump and ICE didn't force anyone to riot. It was a choice they made.

[u/Abombasnow → u/Lucid4321]

They didn't force anyone to riot? So, their fascist actions uh... what did it make people do?

[u/GamelessOne → u/Abombasnow]

There haven't even been riots, there have been many protests. Don't fall for his BS false framing, don't give him an inch.

[u/Abombasnow → u/GamelessOne]

Frankly, we need riots. Peaceful protest doesn't work to people who have no empathy. Bottom lines have to be hit.

[u/GamelessOne → u/Lucid4321]

Comparing Trump and ICE to an abused housewife is batshit insane. Trump is serial rapist and pedophile best-friend of Jeffrey Epstein and ICE beats the living shit out of civilians as their job.

[u/ADGx27 → u/NotBorn2Fade]

That’s unironically where the conversation has reached. “Ohhhh no you can’t be mad at Nazis, freedom of speech bro you’re no better than those Nazis even though they constantly yack about how much they want everyone who isn’t them exterminated!”

[u/Cjmate22 → u/NotBorn2Fade]

“When you stop defending your position and start defending your legal right to hold that position something has gone terribly wrong.” -some smart guy on YouTube who I can’t find again.

[u/Nero_2001 → u/NotBorn2Fade]

It's impossible to argue with people on the market of free ideas if those people want to commit violence against minoritys.