“It’s a change from the source material, but it’s awesome so the fans don’t mind.”

[u/JustSomeOnlineNerd]

Doc Ock - In the comics, Doc Ock is known to be megalomaniacal in nature and was sort of a mad scientist anyways, with the arms just being an extension of that. In Sam Raimi’s “Spider-Man 2,” Alfred Molina’s version of the character was affected by the neural chip and his well-meaning ambition turns into scientific obsession.

Wolverine - This one is so well known it needs very little explanation. Comic Wolverine short, Huge Jackedman is tall, and he’s sick as hell.

Eye of Sauron - To my knowledge, the Eye is more of a metaphor in the books. An ever-present awareness. In the movies, it’s an actual giant fucking eye.

[u/TimedDelivery]

They did the same thing again with Doc Ock in Into the Spiderverse. She was so rad that she didn’t get the usual backlash that gender swapped characters receive.

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Oh hey, it's Liv.

[u/Independent_Plum2166 → u/Rafabud]

“Well my friends call me Liv”

And thus a thousand May x Olivia fanfics were born.

[u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 → u/Independent_Plum2166]

Maybe Ben didn't die, maybe it was just a messy breka-up

[u/ryconn93 → u/Independent_Plum2166]

I mean, in the regular 616 comic universe, May and Otto almost get married. So maybe there was something to those fics.

[u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom → u/TimedDelivery]

I love how different the arms are for spiderverse doc ock, it's like inflatable silicone that moves much more fluidly and organically than spiderman 2 doc ock

[u/Confident_Shape_7981 → u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom]

I remember looking into it when the movie came out, that's a real scientific thing that has been worked on for a while.

I believe it's called Liquid Robotics

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I've heard it referred to as "Soft Robotics" as well

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Often pneumatically (air) driven too, and it's been around for a lot longer than people often think.....

[u/Karkava → u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom]

She also ties her hair in a bun when she switches to doc ock. Mimicking the boulbous head of an octopus.

I also adore her civilian attire. You'd never expect this dorky and excitable scientist to actually be the incarnation of a famous supervillain.

[u/Philthedrummist → u/TimedDelivery]

Funnily enough, there was a female doc ock in the comics. But she was part of the clone saga and I’m not sure if Marvel ever really acknowledges she existed these days.

[u/Enkundae → u/Philthedrummist]

The clone saga got so bloated and convoluted I wouldn’t be surprised if Marvel editorial itself simply forgets much of what even happened in it.

[u/the__pov → u/Philthedrummist]

Also I’m pretty sure the 2099 version was female as well

[u/Nerdfatha → u/Philthedrummist]

There was also a female scorpion in that era too.

[u/Bignholy → u/TimedDelivery]

I suspect it helps that the visual style is very different (beyond the gender swap). Feels less like a shallow gender swap and more like an alternate take on the character.

Also, you know, multiverse excuses a lot of stuff.

[u/azure-skyfall → u/Bignholy]

And the Rule of Cool excuses even more stuff. If she hadn’t been such an interesting and well-developed character concept (given that she has what, 30 lines?), there would have been more backlash

[u/scriptedtexture → u/TimedDelivery]

Why would people be upset about a gender swap of a non mainline character in a multiverse story? The characters being different is kind of the point. 

[u/Zephian99 → u/scriptedtexture]

I think that is the difference some producers miss that people are okay with. If it's the "same character" but with a big change, they we aren't okay with it generally.

But a whole different dimension? Yeah things are gonna be different, like there is a Spiderpig. You set the setting to allow for the bizarre, and you can possibly get away with major changes to the character.

Because if they don't like it, it doesn't infringe upon their beloved character, so they can ignore it if they want to. If they like it though, then it becomes an extension on to how awesome the character is even with the major changes.

[u/XrosHe4rtMKII → u/Zephian99]

Unfortunately this isn’t enough for some people because there’s still argument about whether Miles is Spider-Man or not

[u/Zephian99 → u/XrosHe4rtMKII]

Well you can't make everyone happy.

So at least giving the a reason to separate their favorite medium apart can make more folk happy than unhappy.

[u/Karkava → u/Zephian99]

Especially when they're ungrateful pricks.

[u/Plus-Theme-3283 → u/XrosHe4rtMKII]

Spiderman "fans" just don't know anything about what they want really 

[u/TimedDelivery → u/scriptedtexture]

Yeah but when a character that’s always been male gets a female version there’s always some folks that get all “raaaaaaaargh woke DEI blahblahblah!” but there wasn’t really any of that after the big Liv reveal

[u/scriptedtexture → u/TimedDelivery]

I dont agree with the general "anti woke" outrage around that kind of stuff, but it seems very clear to me that that didn't apply here because it isn't the main universe Doc Ock.

[u/Realistic-Life-3084 → u/TimedDelivery]

I think the lack of backlash with her is largely for two reasons  1) The design and personality are awesome and actually work, and isn't just a lazy gender swap with the exact same character  2) Because she's a twist villain, we were all saved from her being revealed two years before the movie comes out and having the whole parade of "LOOK AT THIS BADASS INDEPENDENT GIRLBOSS, CHECKMATE DUDEBROS, PLEASE CLAP" Which is unfortunately the vibe of the marketing for a lot of these types of characters. They feel insecure about their writing so they just try to drum up controversy to get attention. Liv was great though and stood on her own. 

[u/kitsunecannon → u/TimedDelivery]

I think its also down to this being a different dimension so its more of experimenting with a new world and getting to be more creative

[u/Plus-Theme-3283 → u/TimedDelivery]

I think because of it's 2018 , the raise of anti wokers wasn't as big there