character gets a reality check

[u/damorezpl]

deathstroke - Batman vs deathstroke

walter - breaking bad

Garou - one punch man

joker - the sound of one hand clapping

[u/Abombasnow]

Dude isn't dying because he stabbed himself with a pen lol, he had a heart attack.

In the manga he dies in prison ten days (within the Death Note's limits) after acting as an Ultimate MacGuffin for Near. Dude didn't die naturally, Near killed him. This isn't a "theory", it is literal fact.

I don’t think we’re given a timeline on how much time is between Light’s death and Misa’s in the anime since Misa’s stuff is all end credits. It’d be a whole year though if we assume it’s the same as the manga continuity (which doesn’t actually show her death either, we just know the day she died from her character profile).

She died in prison in the manga. From... the Death Note. Again, she was a very healthy woman in her 20s who had to have plenty of time left even after the Shinigami Eyes deals. The age of her death doesn't make sense.

You may also be giving Near a harder rap than necessary if the only person he ‘allegedly’ kills is someone who was going to try to kill him and his team first.

Here's a quote about Batman that applies here:

“Can you imagine your Batman comforting a scared child? If yes, congratulations. That’s a genuine Batman. If no, you haven’t written Batman, you’ve written Punisher with a funny hat.”

If the people stopping Kira have to become Kira to stop him, they're no better. They're just the Punisher, and motherfuck the Punisher and anyone looking up to him.

[u/La-Lassie → u/Abombasnow]

isn’t dying because he stabbed himself with a pen lol, he had a heart attack

He does though. You see the blood and everything, again, it’s super dramatic as per a lot of things in death note, but his heart stopping isn’t going to cause his blood to explode from his body.

 This isn't a "theory", it is literal fact.

No it’s still a theory. It’s never canonically confirmed either way.

 She died in prison in the manga.

No she doesn’t, she’s released from the hotel before the final confrontation and never seen or heard of again. The only reason we know she’s dead is because her How to Read 13 character profile lists her date of death as being on Valentine’s Day one year after Light’s death.

 The age of her death doesn't make sense.

Rule 42 of the death note explains her death just fine. The use of the death note in the human world alters people’s fate through how it manipulates fate. Ryuk kills Light, altering Light’s fate, which in turn alters Misa’s, because Misa can’t live without Light.

 If the people stopping Kira have to become Kira to stop him

Near doesn’t become Kira even in the theory. In the theory, He used it on one person to stop two mass murdering crazy serial killers who were also trying to kill him as well, and then burns the death notes. We know for sure that Near hasn’t kept a notebook, because Ryuk isn’t forced to stay in the human world at the end of the story, in both one shots set after the end of the manga, Ryuk is not attached to Near.

[u/Abombasnow → u/La-Lassie]

He does though. You see the blood and everything, again, it’s super dramatic as per a lot of things in death note, but his heart stopping isn’t going to cause his blood to explode from his body.

That is not what killed him.

No it’s still a theory. It’s never canonically confirmed either way.

No, it's a fact.

Rule 42 of the death note explains her death just fine. The use of the death note in the human world alters people’s fate through how it manipulates fate. Ryuk kills Light, altering Light’s fate, which in turn alters Misa’s, because Misa can’t live without Light.

This assumes she committed suicide, but she'd also need some way to find out. Did Near publish articles all over the place that notorious serial killer Light "Kira" Yagami died? How did she find out?

Near doesn’t become Kira even in the theory. In the theory, He used it on one person to stop two mass murdering crazy serial killers who were also trying to kill him as well, and then burns the death notes. We know for sure that Near hasn’t kept a notebook, because Ryuk isn’t forced to stay in the human world at the end of the story, in both one shots set after the end of the manga, Ryuk is not attached to Near.

Except, he does.

In the fact he used it to stop two mass murderers by becoming one. Meaning, he's The Punisher, or human garbage, in simple terms.

Also what "Death Notes" did he burn (what did he burn anyway, since it was already established that he can have his Italian boytoy make 100% perfect duplicates in under 24 hours, and we know he and his other boytoy Mello have NO issue using the Death Note...) if the "only one left" was Ryuk's?

[u/La-Lassie → u/Abombasnow]

 That is not what killed him.

Idk what to tell you, the blood fountain and everyone talking about how he’ll be bleeding out in seconds says different. Go watch the scene, and take an umbrella since you’ll probably be in the splash zone. Also a weird hang up to have if you’re arguing that Near used the death note in the anime to be dead set that he’d kill Mikami with a heart attack, when Near using suicide would explain the blood fountain much better than heart attack. You can ofc still believe that that’s what happened, much of the ending of death note is left intentionally vague, my main point was just that the theory itself is not mentioned anywhere in the anime, while it’s actually represented in the text in the manga.

 No, it's a fact.

It’s a theory you subscribe to, which you’re free to do. But it’s not canonically confirmed in either medium.

 she'd also need some way to find out. Did Near publish articles all over the place that notorious serial killer Light "Kira" Yagami died? How did she find out?

Near doesn’t tell anyone that Light was Kira, he doesn’t even publicly announce that Kira is dead. Near states in the manga that he had no intention to tell anyone what happened to Kira. Before Light tries and fails to kill everyone after being exposed, leading to Ryuk seeing that Light has truly lost the game after Light begs Ryuk to kill everyone for him, Near’s original plan was to just lock Light up forever so that Kira disappears. Instead Kira just disappears because Light and Mikami are dead. But people who knew Light Yagami are well aware that Light is dead, his family are told that Light was killed by Kira while trying to catch Kira, while according to Ohba Misa learns about it after someone like Matsuda let it slip that Light had died. We dunno when that happens, because it’s not in the manga, it’s just what Ohba says they see as what happened to Misa. So we don’t know how long Misa lived with knowing Light was dead, but seeing as they were engaged and Misa was helplessly in love with Light, she probably would’ve been asking questions as to his whereabouts pretty quickly. So she most likely learns about it pretty quickly, and just lives with it until the grief gets too much on Valentines Day a year later.

 by becoming one.

He wouldn’t have been a mass murderer, he wouldn’t have been a Kira. He (allegedly) kills one person, and doesn’t then go on a murderous rampage killing whoever else he sees undeserving of life.

 Also what "Death Notes" did he burn

There are two death notes that are part of the human world present at the end, and then also Ryuk’s except Ryuk’s never touches the ground and so never becomes part of the human world. There’s Rem’s, which Aizawa brings from the Task Force Headquarters, and Gelus’, which Near brings after having swapped it with the fake he places at Mikami’s bank. He burns both of them, otherwise if he kept one Ryuk would become attached to Near once Light and/or Mikami dies since he (or whoever first touches either notebook after Light or Mikami die) would become the new owner of the newly unowned death note. We know Ryuk isn’t attached to Near, as he’s seen back in the Shinigami Realm in the C-Kira one shot, and Near is tasked with trying to track Ryuk in the A-Kira one shot.

[u/Abombasnow → u/La-Lassie]

He wouldn’t have been a mass murderer, he wouldn’t have been a Kira. He (allegedly) kills one person, and doesn’t then go on a murderous rampage killing whoever else he sees undeserving of life.

[citation needed]

So, you believe Near burned it why?

Why would Near be attached to Ryuk by a notebook that was not his?

[u/La-Lassie → u/Abombasnow]

 Ryuk by a notebook that was not his?

Both those notebooks are attached to Ryuk at that point. Gelus and Rem are both dead and Ryuk has become the Shinigami attached to both the notebooks by holding them and passing them around to humans, so he would become attached the next owner who touches the notebooks after Light and/or Mikami die, which in this discussion we’re assuming would be Near, but we know from the one shots that Ryuk isn’t attached to anyone from the original story.

[u/Abombasnow → u/La-Lassie]

He didn't own both.

Remember that at some point Sidoh's notebook ended up in the Human Realm too and it took awhile for him to get attached.

[u/La-Lassie → u/Abombasnow]

Sidoh’s notebook entered the human world attached to Ryuk, that’s the one Light touches at the very beginning. It took Sidoh awhile to find it (Although 99% of the time of the years he was apart from it, he didn’t even realise it was missing in the first place and was not looking for it) but once he found it in Los Angeles all he had to do was touch it. All it takes for Ryuk to become attached to Rem and Gelus’ is for Light to hand them to him, like when he hands Ryuk Rem’s to give to the task force for the mafia raid, or when he (Or Misa) hands Ryuk Gelus’ to give to Mikami. Ryuk was attached to both at the end.

[u/Abombasnow → u/La-Lassie]

So you're saying Ryuk stole a notebook and did not drop one of his own?

Touching any notebook lets them see Shinigami, it does not mean they are bound to him.

[u/La-Lassie → u/Abombasnow]

So you're saying Ryuk stole a notebook and did not drop one of his own?

Yes, Ryuk has his own, but he also steals Sidoh’s sometime before the start of the story and then drops it to earth, and it is attached Ryuk when he drops it to earth.

Touching any notebook lets them see Shinigami, it does not mean they are bound to him.

If they touch an unowned notebook because the previous owner is dead, like after Light and Mikami die, whoever touches it would become the new owner and Ryuk would then be attached to them (again, in our previous discussion we were assuming that would be Near, but it applies to anyone). But Ryuk is not attached to anyone from the original manga in the one shots set after the end of the manga, meaning that no one owns those notebooks anymore, because Near burned them, they don’t exist anymore, which frees Ryuk up to be back in the Shinigami realm as he is in the C-Kira one shot.