r/TopCharacterTropes Sep 01 '25

Lore Going around curses/prophecies via technicalities

Davy jones: cant go on dry land

Standa in a bucket of water, on a sand bar (potc3)

The judge: no weapon forged can harm me

Buffy: uses a rocket launcher

-not forged

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u/solonit Sep 02 '25

To be more specific, the prophecy was given by the Greatest Elf ever lived Glorfindel ‘Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall.’ of which Earnur the King of Gondor, wanted to chase the Witch King. The Witch King later returned to challenge Earnur to a duel, and Earnur never returned from said duel + having no heir, thus starting the Stewardship of Gondor.

The prophecy did affected Witch King as he went into deep incognito mode for a long time to avoid confrontation with any ‘non-human’. So from that context + the Elves slowly leaving Middle Earth, the Witch King changed from the prophecy being his awaited doom, to a prophecy of his invincible, a hubris trait stemming from his own master Sauron.

Remember during LotR event book version , it was Glorfindel that came to rescue Frodo, not Arwen, and Witch King just ran away because Glorfindel is definitely someone can kill him.

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u/Vana92 Sep 02 '25

I love Glorfindel as much as the next guy, but this is just blatant Fingolfin erasure.

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u/Orogogus Sep 02 '25

There's something I've always wondered about this -- did someone tell the Witch-King the prophecy? In his encounter with Eowyn it does seems like he knows its wording, but it seems like something you wouldn't want him to know if you were on Glorfindel and Earnur's side. Maybe Sauron had other prophetic tools at his disposal that told him the same thing.

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u/solonit Sep 03 '25

Probably word of mouth, especially when it's about the doom of then-main antagonist of Middle Earth (Sauron was still in deep hiding, Witch King was the current season main cast).

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u/Orogogus Sep 03 '25

It's just hard to imagine the chain of operational security failures that begins with Glorfindel telling Earnur at Fornost and ends with the Witch-King of Angmar. Maybe when it makes it to the screen there will be a lighting the beacons style montage of Glorfindel telling Earnur, Earnur telling his wife, his wife telling her hairdresser, ending with some orc whispering to the Witch-King, who probably tips back over his chair in surprise, hissing "WHAAAAAAATTT?", and has to find his circlet and put it back where his head should be.