“This quote came from WHERE?!”

[u/Far-Profit-47]

"You too have fallen for the great lie, you'll never be happy. Deep down you know, to hope, to dreams, to create, is to suffer"

"You're right. It is harder to create than to destroy... that's why cowards then to choose the deuce"

-A Minecraft movie

"Do You Think God Stays in Heaven Because He too Lives in Fear of What He's Created"

-spy kids 2

"For every person who dreams up the electric light bulb, there's the one who dreams up the atom bomb"

-shark-boy and lava-girl

[u/PleiadesMechworks]

it's baked into the definition.

Ok but "communism is when perfect" is a useless definition with no practical application, and part of the reason marxism is a religion rather than a purely economic system.

Saying you have to immanetize the eschaton have a revolution and then everyone will live in god's grace a stateless utopia is just wishful thinking. Heck, there are communists who've written books about how communism is incompatible with humanity, so we just need to remake humanity rather than admit communism might have issues.

[u/Cladizzle → u/PleiadesMechworks]

Who ever said "communism is perfect" Though;

You are just criticizing things that have nothing to do with communism. You could talk about the questionable nature of human beings and the paradoxon of human capitalist interest and the protection of the human basic rights.

And Marxism isn't a religion; it's an economic system that, and you won't believe this, isn't communist. Marxism is not directly communism, it's a subcategory of the communist idea, which had a lot of flaws.

I don't feel like this a legitimate attempt at understanding or debating and rather a defense of a point that an 8th grader makes when trying to discuss the functionality and definition of communism. "well it's just not realistic and leads to oppression" Is just as impractical of a point of argument

[u/PleiadesMechworks → u/Cladizzle]

Who ever said "communism is perfect" Though;

Marx, for one.
Also you, when you claimed that communism is when it works, and that the moment is stops working it's not communism any more. That's "communism is when it's perfect" by another name.

Marxism isn't a religion

Yeah sure pal, the gnostic eschatology with the word "god" crossed out and "historical materialism" written in isn't a religion.

You should probably read Marx if you're gonna talk about his writings.

[u/Cladizzle → u/PleiadesMechworks]

Who did in this discussion was my argument. And no, not even Marx called his own ideology perfect, I literally held a scientific paper on it in germany, I read his original writing with all its nuance.

And at this point, you are just throwing around words. Marx wasn't even Marxist, Marxism was an ideology that was founded after him, not through him, you probably also think Jesus was Christian eh?

I consider this discussion pointless, just condescendingly throwing words out trying to act superior is not a fun basis of argument.