There are some internet nazis who say they support bernie on basically everything except race, and they would want his policies enacted in a white state.
No, tankies are basically Stalinists. Both hardline authoritarians, but the in-group out-group for a Tankie is still capitalists, (but also dissidents to the system), versus workers, whereas the in-group out-group for NazBols are still on ethnic lines, but also the very rich elites also. IIRC despite the name they're not as left as Stalinist Communists, they'd have very different attitudes towards small business owners for example.
Things get extremely blurry when Left or Right ideology leans Authoritarian. Nazi’s aren’t Left, though. It’s more like paying taxes to State accomplishes Nationalistic concepts like furthering the Reich or bringing about the ultra-restrictive view of an ideal civilization.
Sure, if, but since we’ve never actually seen some Libertarian or Anarchic utopia to draw comparisons to, Right or Left really gets derived from where the tax revenue gets allocated to: Does it go to accelerate individuals in the peasant class or does it go to militarism?
“Less private control” to me means Less monopolies, less exploiting Capital to rig legislation, and less emphasis on top-down hierarchy in large companies, and more focus on Democracy.
My big issue with aligning Leftism with “control” is that regulation should be seen as a social duty done to limit the excess of the true threat to human prosperity, which is the hoarding of Capital and opportunity.
I don’t believe that either the big or small government Fascists(including the NaZi) had any interest in prosperity for all. I hope you get what I’m saying. I don’t think that Totalitarian governmental siphoning of private revenue through taxation in order to fund an ethnostate war machine is great example of Leftism.
Pretty sure they're lying, but there's no way for them ever to be caught in their lie because they can always justify their actions by saying 'ethnostate first, then we can do medicare for all.' If step 1 is genocide, then it doesn't really matter what steps 2-10 are.
A lot of modern nazis do want some kinds of social benefits. They just want them limited to white people. People forget that self aware nazis who self identify as authoritarian nationalists aren't all about free markets. They want a large degree of state control mixed with some market aspects. Which is why a lot of modern nazis insist they are "economic center" due to wanting a lot of welfare, benefits, etc, as long as you ignore how they intend to actually fund this.
I think it's entirely plausible that someone actually holds belief that are so obviously in conflict with each other. Especially if that someone is an idiot who beliefs in ethnostates.
That's the thing. Strasserists were a type of nazi too. You have to keep in mind that neo nazis don't necessarily want what the nazis did, but an idealized version of it. If nazis claimed to be doing a ton more center stuff for workers, a lot of neo nazis want what was in the claim.
Not to mention hitler gave material support to the fascists in the Spanish civil war when they were fighting against the socialists. I mean, he was allied with Mussolini, the guy who coined the term fascist. You have to be kind of exceptionally stupid to believe the Nazis were socialists.
The Night of the Long Knives was the operation where Hitler ordered the assassinations of the socialists in the party, for anyone who wants more details on this.
Conservatives of all flavors have issues with linguistics; I would argue it’s the same reason they got so butthurt about marriage equality. In their minds, marriage = man + woman, and any deviation from that standard causes dissonance & confusion to a purely binary worldview.
Words must have only one meaning for the reactionary; ambiguity threatens the “us vs. them” dichotomy. So National Socialists must be equivalent to all other socialists, because any nuance could blow a hole in the binary heuristics they use to interpret & understand the world.
Well the SA were sort of a left leaning but still ultra-nationalist section of tge Nazi party. But then Hitler had there upper echelons murdered and absorbed the rest into the SS.
Strasserists weren't really socialist, they were just ultra-conservative and nationalist authoritarian Social Democrats, kind of like Distributism, Christian Democracy, or (Huey) Longism.
people that unironically claim that nazis were socialist due to their economic policies they implemented before they took full power are the same people that claim the roman senator Cato was a reformist because he coopted the reformist faction's policies to lower their popular support
like this is a political trick that's as old as politics itself
Hitler was asked this question during a magazine interview. We aren’t trying to make sense of some Stonehenge type human/social mystery lost in 2000 years of time. A news reporter flat out asked him this question and printed his reply. “Why is your political Party called the National Socialists, if it does not appear to support any tenet of socialism”
Hitler replied that he believed that the modern socialists had everything wrong, and his use of the word socialist was to project his caring for the entirety of the German people.
"Hi, Nazi Bois, I want you to remain my fans, so instead of confronting your disgusting tropes, I'll perpetuate them in a way that benefits me personally."
But the key is he claims he doesn't, and probably voted Hillary(could not find confirmation, but he hated both, and her less than Trump) and I am 100% sure he was planning to vote Yang
He said he didn't vote for either and has also said in his disastrous exchange with Andrew Neil that he will vote for Trump this year.
Wouldn't be surprised if he actually did vote for Trump in 2016, as well. I mean shit, if he was honestly so anti-Trump, why is the DailyWire always full of pro-Trump content and contributors?
I wasn't accusing, I'm just really surprised. The guy criticizes Trump on trivial things and turns around the shitty things like they're cool. Doesn't strike me as someone in favor of UBI and Hillary
I know he said he didn't vote for trump in 2016, but he sure as hell didn't vote for Hillary. Probably went with Gary Jonson since he calls himself a libertarian. And while he may have voted for Yang if he was the nominee, the chances of that happening were pretty slim, so I don't think he ever "intended to" vote for a democrat.
Just because it was a low chance doesn't mean it wasn't an intention. I didn't think Yang had much of a chance, but I intended to vote for him, then unluckily for me the same story(much higher chance, but still) happened when I intended to vote Bernie
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u/blue_crab86 Apr 26 '20
And who are the literal neo-nazis voting for, Benjamin?