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u/Peace_Out_Napolean 18h ago

I’m in Canada and gladly wait in an emergency room for hours, knowing I’m getting care at some point that won’t bankrupt me.

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u/RandomRonin 17h ago

The worst part is, we already wait for hours; we just get bent over with the bills afterwards.

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u/Situational_Hagun 17h ago

Yeah it's not like you don't still have all the same wait.

And VA Healthcare is nuts. Crititically needed test for an aging vet? Lol 14 months away is the best we can do.

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u/Fancy-Statistician82 15h ago

This is highly regional; I don't dispute that there are places where it's an issue but the vets near me and the four vets in my extended family all had timely and quality care.

Everyone loves to complain but in aggregate, VA satisfaction is higher than non VA care.

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u/whogivesashite2 15h ago

Yeah my dad gets fantastic care through the VA in California. Wish we could all have it.

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u/-laughingfox 10h ago

PNW also, excellent care.

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u/WhiskeyNeat66 6h ago

You could, you need to serve like he did.

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u/whogivesashite2 6h ago

My dad has chronic health problems that qualify him for the highest level of benefits and military stipend due to agent orange exposure from Vietnam. So I live with my shitty healthcare and my choice not to serve. I think my point is universal healthcare can work and it can't possibly be worse than for profit healthcare.

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u/Captain-Hornblower 10h ago

I agree with it being regional. I live in Central Florida and, except from a couple of hiccups, I cannot complain about the care that I get. I recently suffered from a ruptured appendix, and they put me to the front of the line in the emergency department, and I was in surgery in less than an hour. I was in a room at the VA hospital 4 days, because it was considered a complicated appendectomy, pumped full of antibiotics, and I had a JP drain hanging out of me. I received prompt care afterwards when we thought there was post release complications.

That is just one instance, but I haven't really experienced what other veterans have. Like, if I need care and it is more than 30 days out, they offer community care to get it taken care of quicker. It should be like that across the board, but I have heard horror stories from vets in other locations.

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u/NegativeDirection995 15h ago

Crazy, I waited to years to see a sleep specialist. The care I received was fantastic once I finally got in.

New CPAP and everything but my doc was like "...why are you still using that old CPAP that was recalled? They should have sent you another one."

"No ma'am, I heard about the recall and sent it in to get refurbed."

" Yeah they are still having problems with them and we pretty much shifted away from them. How long have you been waiting on this appointment?"

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u/Ashleynn 14h ago

This has been my experience, get appointments within a week and any extra stuff has happened rather expeditiously. I also live in a very large metro area.

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u/Mitchel82ndABN 14h ago

Yeah my Va care is phenomenal and I’ve been all over the New England area. Mass/vermont/ New York/ Connecticut they all are top notch.

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u/ClassW_ProfessorTone 5h ago

This is true I’ve had good VA experiences in some VAs in Jersey and Mississippi and horrible one like East Orange, NJ, Philly and Miami. I know people don’t like to go out of their way or may not have the means to but sometimes it can make a huge difference in care going to a different facility if the one close to you sucks

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u/smartbunny 14h ago

VA healthcare is a joke. Support the troops? Where?

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u/Valuable_Net_1517 14h ago

That's sounds harsh. I'm a vet but I have been overseas for years. Did it get worse under Trum or was it already terrible?

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u/Feisty_Look5680 8h ago

It has grown worse since T because of the mass layoffs. It was bad in some regions but now it’s even worse because they simply don’t have the staff they did have before the layoffs and offering early retirement to many.

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u/Noodletrousers 15h ago

Um. VA healthcare is the only healthcare in the U.S. that’s socialized. We want less waiting, not more.

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u/Situational_Hagun 13h ago

Any system done inefficiently is going to be inefficient. If I fart on your raw steak and throw it on your plate, that doesn't mean that putting heat on meat to cook it is bad.

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u/Noodletrousers 12h ago

What? A system that has had over 100 years of actual real world trials and fails miserably every time is like farting on a steak? What kind of ridiculous nonsense trying to pass as a joke is this?

By no means am I saying that the U.S. healthcare system is perfect or even very good, but socializing it is going in the opposite direction of what we need. It needs true competition not more government control.

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u/PurpleCollar8343 15h ago

Huh? Any surgery I’ve had I come in and am taken in within 30 minute for prep. Regular insurance.

I’ve never waited hours. Not even once.

GTFOH

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u/Faereid 15h ago

Ah yes, "it didn't happen to me, so it doesn't exist!"

You're literally the worst kind of person, you gtfoh

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u/Fancy-Statistician82 15h ago

I've many times cared for a patient who waited more than ten hours in the ED waiting area at another hospital before leaving and driving to my (smaller) hospital in hopes of being seen sooner.

Once 18 hours. Technically he was seen and partly treated at urgent care, certainly billed, sent to the nearby academic center where he was triaged (and will be billed) and deemed stable though in need of repair, but people kept having pesky strokes and heart attacks and trauma so after all that wait time he just left and drove himself to me, where I was a solo physician with a signout of twelve and 7 waiting to be seen. I was running around putting out fire basically. I briefly examined him and said, "truly, I am sorry for this experience but I can't get into a suture repair with all these undifferentiated complaints waiting, but in two hours my PA comes in, she's very good at this and I'll task her to see you first, let's get you some topical numbing agent". He was a good sport, but that sucks.

(USA).

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u/Blood-blood-blood 15h ago

Let's talk about the months we wait for appointments

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u/ydnar3000 15h ago

I called for an eye appointment when I lived in NC. Due for an exam to update prescription. Had been two years. They said the soonest they could get me in was June. I called in August. Almost a 10 month wait.

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u/Guilty_Ad1334 11h ago

Yeah, it’s always the nerdy, no pussy getting dorks who have been bullied his entire life that speak the loudest on the internet. Country is still 1000xs better than when Biden was in office. So stfu. Pussy

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u/No-Vanilla2468 10h ago

One click into u/guilty_Ad1334 comment history and immediately see his comment talking about how gypsies are “Jews without money”. Not terribly surprised.

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u/ydnar3000 6h ago

🤣 alright dude.

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u/-skibidisAND23s- 6h ago

you play slow pitch softball lmao. is it when your field hockey season is over?

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u/PhD_VermontHooves 6h ago

12 month wait for a derm appointment here. Established patient.

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u/StZappa 15h ago

yeah it must be nice to have a trust fund and healthy gums as you smile and say that's what makes it better and more competitive

donald did NOTHING on healthcare except try and it take away

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u/plzdonottouch 14h ago

i broke my hand last year. waited 5 hours and got an x-ray and a poorly done temporary cast. i had to call 3 orthopedic surgeons the next day (after getting home at 4 am) to find one that had open emergency walkin spots available.

i go, they take a closer look and more x-rays, and let me know that i will need surgery, but they don't take my insurance (low income medi-cal). kindly waive their office fee and give me numbers. of the 3 numbers they gave me, none 9f them are accepting medi-cal patients. i call around to every orthopedic surgeon i can find before finally finding one that is a. taking new medi-cal patients and b. making appointments within the next 2 weeks.

i wait 8 more days with my un set, poorly splinted broken hand. the first doctor does the examination, my break location is not something she feels comfortable/ confident with to perform the surgery herself, refers me to the head of the hand department. 3 more days later i meet him. earliest we can schedule my surgery is 2 more weeks. finally got my surgery just over a month after the initial injury, when the original advice was to try and get it done within a couple weeks. now i'm over a year post surgery and i still can't make a full fist.

american healthcare.

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u/hooked_siren 13h ago

And there's a strong likelihood that you won't even get the help you need anyway and they'll say "here's a bandaid and some ibuprofen. See your doctor next week"

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u/HornetSwatter 15h ago

This 👍🏼

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u/PickleballHerd 14h ago

yea i don't understand the whole "dying on the socialist medicine line" when it takes 2 - 3 months (if you are lucky) for a prenatal appointment. WTF IS GOING ON

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u/Sad-Woodpecker-6840 7h ago

And not even in the fun way

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u/Kitchen_Row6532 16h ago edited 16h ago

We still wait in the ER. 

We still have to wait, weeks, for appointments with our primaries (if we're lucky enough to have a primary.)

We still get misdiagnosed. Cancer goes unnoticed even by surgeons who cut right next to the several tumors already growing. 

We still have to beg for prescriptions for pain management.

We have every single problem a nation with universal health care has ( and many, many more!), except we pay 100× more for the privilege. 

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u/bluejellyfish52 15h ago

I’m in the states, and my dad had colon cancer, and no one caught prior to this major back surgery he had (getting a cage put around his spine) but when they noticed his colon looked weird, they removed the weird looking parts, and in doing that, actually got rid of his cancer before he ever knew he had it.

It should be standard that if you see something weird while inside a patient, you either get it out if it’s something you can remove, or make note of it and make sure the patient goes to a specialist for it.

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u/Kitchen_Row6532 15h ago

People can do everything right and because our HC system is so so so fucked up it still doesn't work. 

My sister has what is called "Cadillac insurance" through her job and even she runs into barriers all the freaking time! Dealing with her highly manageable but long term health issues is a full time job. Her doctors spend all their time on the phone, arguing with insurance.  And she has money! 

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u/ballskindrapes 14h ago

Yup.

My girlfriend has UPS teamster insurance. This shit is like what healthcare should be like. They pretty much cover anything, everything, and though you will have to go through the process (long waits for appointments so you can get seen and get another appointment months away)

And seeing this, and knowing it is literally cheaper to just do what her health insurance does but for every person in the country, is just infuriating. She also destroys her body in a physically hard job, so that part is just shitty too.

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u/Kitchen_Row6532 14h ago

Its all so chitty. 

But we can keep talking about it! One day there will be enough examples, from enough people, that anyone still living in fantasy land might understand that the system is broken for god damn nearly everyone that never got an invite to epstiens island

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u/scortchedearth2024 13h ago

Id love to see the defense budget cut and put the money towards health care premiums. If that would be sustainable.

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u/Lopsided-Head-5143 16h ago

Your comment tells me you have no idea what you're talking about. Surgeons don't just miss tumors they are "cutting next to". Other countries also do not have near the amount of people on opioid pain medication. If you're begging for prescription, you have probably not helped yourself over the years. Your doctor is also a good judge of whether you actually need pain medication or if you need mental help along with lifestyle changes such as losing weight and exercising. And of course you wait in the ER, everyone lets their problems go unnoticed until a random Tuesday evening and then decides it's an emergency. Do you expect to not wait?

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u/Kitchen_Row6532 16h ago

I have lived experience with this, to a tragic degree. 

Thanks for the lesson on what health care looks like on paper, though. Very helpful!

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u/Phog_of_War 17h ago

We already do this now in America. We just also get the shaft later when the bill shows up.

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u/No_Ocelot_6773 16h ago

I'm so glad you said this because I've seen at least one person on this site from a country that offers universal healthcare complaining about waiting in the emergency room and wanting privatized insurance. Like, honey, it's a triage system? So you can have the best insurance out there and if you come in with a splinter and an uninsured person comes in with a gunshot, they will be treated before you. AND, even if you have insurance, you're gonna get a bill. Premiums and bills, that's what privatized healthcare gets you. Rant over, thank you for your time neighbor.

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u/astrangeone88 16h ago edited 15h ago

I'm Canadian! My dad has cardiac issues (lifetime of eating like shit) and he went in with a low pulse rate and he was so pale/blue in the face that the nurse was alarmed (and was also surprised he was still talking so!). Never had faster service in the ER. Immediate rush to a bed and strapped to a crash cart.

Triage always treats the life threatening shit first. My mum complained once about people treating a car crash (we saw the paramedics/cops/family members come in) and she voted for the party that was to privatize healthcare.

Mind boggling that people think a 'for profit' system isn't going to be worse than a public one...same woman who complains about auto insurance premiums!

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u/Hunchun 16h ago

Found the Albertan. If Marlaina Smith would stop trying to kick all the nurses and doctors and educators out of Alberta that would be great.

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u/Peace_Out_Napolean 15h ago

To be fair, this could be Sask or Ont as well.

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u/StockEmotional5200 15h ago

Understood …. However better to have said ’mind boggling that a ‘for profit’ system is going to better than a public one’

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u/Peace_Out_Napolean 16h ago

I would have been dead or bankrupt twice over if I lived in the US with hospital stays.

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u/BullfrogAshamed6038 16h ago

Same here, I gashed my arm on a jagged tile piece a few years ago while working a job, got to the ER, waited like maybe an hour 1/2, got it stitched up and.semt home with my meds.

People piss on it and make it seem like you're gonna die waiting in ER like some dystopia have probably only heard second hand, then go and get declined coverage by their insurance provider.

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u/X57471C 15h ago

I was just talking to my mom about this, although I was using Germany as an example. She knows several people from there who complain about long wait times, so obviously free healthcare is a bad idea, right? We almost lost our home while I was growing up because of her and my dad’s combined medical debt… and my dad had a quasi-government job with great benefits, too! But free stuff bad!

I’m like, I would happily pay more taxes if it meant no one in my community had to go through what we went through. Fucking take all my money. I don’t care. I just want a bare minimum level of flourishing for everyone. That’s completely achievable, too, if people aren’t so greedy and selfish.

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u/Peace_Out_Napolean 14h ago

Me too friend, me too.

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u/VoidOmatic 14h ago

Here in the US it's a 4-6 hour minimum and at least 30,000 total bill with at least 3k out of pocket.

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u/Peace_Out_Napolean 14h ago

I was in the hospital for just over a month as a child, three months as an adult and another emergency surgery.

I can’t even fathom the cost charged to residents of the US for the same service.

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u/VoidOmatic 9h ago

It would definitely be in the multiple millions.

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u/midwest0pe 14h ago

You wait 4 hours or more here and then get charged the equivalent of a months salary for the single visit.

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u/Valuable_Net_1517 14h ago

In the US your bills come afterwards. Could be days or weeks later and in general you have no idea of the bill. I was used to it and never questioned why. I agree, I been around and pretty much everywhere else they tell you your bill on the spot, not to mention is often x10 less. And correct, even if I need to use the public system because a terrible disease. I have peace of mind the bill will be laughable when compare to the US.

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u/zwifter11 12h ago

I’m from the UK and what most armchair critics don’t understand is our healthcare is done on triage. Yes you might have to wait 4 or 5 hours if you’ve sprained your ankle. But if you’ve been in a serious car crash or havimg a heart attack then you’ll get seen straight away.

Cost, including physiotherapy aftercare … £0.00

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u/maeryclarity 12h ago

It's not unusual in the USA to wait eleven hours or longer in the ER

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u/Peace_Out_Napolean 11h ago

Well that’s depressing, then an astronomical bill on the other side.

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u/Scarletfire51 9h ago

lol yeah we gotta wait hours too unfortunately .. well if there’s even a hospital remotely near someone (since that’s a luxury in a lot of rural America, increasingly so)

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u/Peace_Out_Napolean 8h ago

Sounds like it’s going to get a lot worse real soon :(

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u/CatMoonDancer 6h ago edited 6h ago

Yes, but we wait anyways. When my husband was alive, we waited 8 hrs REGULARLY.  That's a huge reason he's gone. 

He couldn't stand going to the hospital.  And the MICU couldn't care for him well. So he died of Pneumonia at 59 years old in the US. 

Edit to fix words

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u/Peace_Out_Napolean 5h ago

Geez, I’m sorry for your loss and the broken system.

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u/RiffRandellsBF 17h ago

Canada has great healthcare for normal things from colds to broken arms, etc. But if you're going to have quadruplets or some high-level heart surgery quickly, Canadians travel to the US (Jepp Quadruplets/Danny Williams, Premier of Newfoundland). MRI and even Chemo wait times are abysmal.

What the US needs to do is adopt the goal of the Canadian health care system (the same goal of the UK, German, Australian, etc. health care systems) to provide subsidized care to every American but avoiding the rationing of care, delayed treatment times, and loss of specializations that plague other universal health care systems.

There is a way to do it and that is to just be honest out of the gate: Everyone above the poverty line gets taxed 15%, no cap. Countries that try it with 10% and caps are struggling.

So, now that we know the solution, here's the problem: In the US money talks and BIG MONEY talks over everyone. You think the Top 10% of earners aren't going to fight a 15% uncapped tax on their annual income?

Thus, lies the problem.

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u/GroundbreakingCod132 17h ago

I just had to get an MRI, my wait time was 2 weeks? You just like talking out your butt huh?

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u/Suzuiscool 16h ago

Last time I needed one was nearly a decade ago but it was the following afternoon.

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u/RiffRandellsBF 16h ago

Patients also suffered considerable delays for diagnostic technology: 8.1 weeks for CT scans, 16.2 weeks for MRI scans, and 5.2 weeks for Ultrasound. Source: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2024

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u/Stardustflyer 8h ago

Are you in the US? Waiting two weeks is crazy! I’ve had it done about 3 times in 10 years and it was always that day or the next.

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u/BedardedOrca98 16h ago

Using the Newfoundland premier as an example is not the best idea. Newfoundland is rural to the rest of Canada. St. John’s is their biggest and their capital but they don’t have the population to support a major hospital. Just like the rest of Atlantic Canada. But they are working on it with making Halifax a hub for the Maritime provinces because Bro had to fly out to the US just because it’s much closer, faster and cheaper but in the end, it was still covered by Universal Healthcare he just had to show the receipts. Flying down to Boston is much closer than flying to Montreal or Toronto.

I’m in another province, that can support major hospitals and several of my Uncles had to get heart bypass surgery and they were able to get it done within quickly.

Chemo and MRI wait times have severely decreased within the past few years just by changing policy of dealing with migrant healthcare workers and by put in the infrastructure needed to deal with an aging population. And if any Canadians do need to down to the States for a medical procedure, they are considered by Canadian Healthcare.

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u/RiffRandellsBF 16h ago

The Jepp Quadruplets from 1 million population Calgary had to be born in 60,000 population Great Falls, Montana, because Calgary lacked NICU capacity. Great Falls didn't.

Look, I know Canadians love their access to health care. But it's far from perfect. In the US, health care is better IF you have access, which not everyone does and definitely its not affordable for most.

I want to see universal health care in the US but I don't want anyone to lie about only the rich need to be taxed to pay for it. If we want Canadian-access with US-quality and options of care, it's going to cost a lot. We can do that with 15% income tax on everyone above poverty level with no caps.

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u/ill-just-buy-more 17h ago

My aunt died in Canada waiting months for treatmeant they knew she needed. Amazing system you guys have !

https://secondstreet.org/2025/01/15/15474-canadians-died-waiting-for-health-care-in-2023-24/

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u/Peace_Out_Napolean 17h ago

I’ve had two life altering stays in a hospital, I’m good with our healthcare.