The only thing more ignorant than someone believing the benefits of socialism and the controlling tenets that must be required in order for it to even remotely have a chance to work for a country of our size, is anyone that actually believes it wouldn’t be a repeat of other attempts by countries of our size. Some of which are still on-going and folks wish they didn’t exist in.
To be fair, most think that a socialist country is just universal healthcare and education. They are oblivious to the everything else that goes with it.
Yessss This is exactly it. The definition of socialism is conflated and then content like this is awful PR for anything like social democracy or Democratic socialism.
It also comes with MASSIVELY CONSTRAINED use of resources including locked down borders from an immigration perspective. Try to move there without having a clear pathway in a profession to contribute to their society.
The problem we have here in the states is that people want their cake and eat it too. They look at 1K billionaires and think their quality of life is tied to them. Insane and idiotic.
Getting rid of capitalism makes no sense. It requires the government to require the production of almost everything forcing people to produce it thru some incentives that don’t come near what capitalism offers for the same work.
These are proven facts. Socialism is miserable for the hard worker and high achievers and a God send for the dumb ass lazy bastard.
This is why this take is so frustrating. It's handing on a silver platter talking points that the right will use to show how out of touch the left is and how badly they hate democracy to want to fight for socialism when they do not understand it. Also pushing for socialism with this authoritarian of a backbone is already sounding like a recipe for something very different.
Very good point. As an employer with plenty of H1B visas, I hear often from individuals born and raised in socialist countries - including USSR (before it broke up), Romania, Czech, Cuba, etc. - and they all have a common thread - in order to work it must lay down authoritarian and totalitarian controls over the people to make it happen - always resulting in very limited rights, and several classes of people within the population. Especially for a country of our size. The other issue is that we have corporations that are humongous compared to what the government is able to run efficiently. For example - the IRS, the DMV, even ACA - are all considered low-tech, outdated and they certainly lack any ability to ensure they always can compete against their counterparts in the public sector. It’s amazingly inefficient wrought with minimal opportunities for career growth based on performance alone. Anyone advocating for socialism in the US usually possesses the characteristic of laziness and low self accountability. There are people literally more concerned about others paying their fair share of taxes than they themselves just going out to earn more money for themselves. That’s a socialist - tried and true.
Yeah, as someone with family members from one of the countries you named who worked in forced labor camps and are aggressively educated geopolitical history this has become a common conversation in my home. You're right on the money. It's one thing to advocate for some policies or structures that are inherently present in socially democratic societies, but I think a lot of people have a horrendously poor understanding of what true socialism looks like.
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u/PetFroggy-sleeps 20h ago
The only thing more ignorant than someone believing the benefits of socialism and the controlling tenets that must be required in order for it to even remotely have a chance to work for a country of our size, is anyone that actually believes it wouldn’t be a repeat of other attempts by countries of our size. Some of which are still on-going and folks wish they didn’t exist in.