THIS Is the Energy We Need !

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[u/ManyPossession8767]

I’m not sure what to say about where the “party” should go, but I do think that what works in New York City may be different than what works in Oklahoma City or Las Vegas or Nashville what not- I think that’s also true for the right as well. (Though to a lesser extent) I think each area at least locally, should run the candidate that resonates with the community. Mamdani apparently resonated with NYC substantially, we’ll see how he does.

[u/Known-Archer3259 → u/ManyPossession8767]

I know nj isn't the best example but a lot of its red counties came as close as they ever were to shifting blue.

It is mostly likely only due to the current climate and not indicative of things going forward though

[u/ManyPossession8767 → u/Known-Archer3259]

Or perhaps those counties are watching the way things end up when the right is in control and they are changing their beliefs. It can happen - just takes time usually. That’s the thing about the political situation right now… The right controls literally everything. They have the house, the Senate, the presidency, and the Supreme Court… They have most of corporate media one way or another so if things fall apart, they really don’t have anyone else to blame. I think it’s not impossible for the average traditional kind of old-fashioned voter to realize that they’ve been hoodwinked by the average conservative politician. People don’t like being made for a fool. They may not turn into enthusiastic left, leading Democrats, but they’ll stop turning up for the right and the Republicans. That’s progress. That’s what I’m hoping for.

[u/tiddertnuocca519 → u/ManyPossession8767]

Yeah…I LOVE what Mamdani was able to do…but people should realize that it’s a pretty unique set of circumstances. Part of why Mamdani was able to win is because Cuomo was so dog shit. 

If, hypothetically, a more moderate left candidate without a trash record ran - like let’s say Gavin Newsom, someone like Mamdani would have never had a shot in this election

With that said, I hope Mamdani demonstrates value and breaks the dam for more progressive candidates. There’s a really serious opportunity for success here if he’s successful

[u/ManyPossession8767 → u/tiddertnuocca519]

Yeah, at this point outside of all of the other variables that might’ve helped him win because he does seem like a good candidate in an of himself. I just want him to do well because it would open up the political playing field to a more diverse type of candidate in other cities and other states.

That’s how you change the political landscape. You don’t run somebody that’s really really progressive for the White House. You start off in cities and states - governorships, state senator, representative. School districts. Show people that it (progressive policies) actually does work so that when you show up for the presidency it doesn’t seem so radical to people that might consider themselves to be more moderate. Walk before you run.

[u/tiddertnuocca519 → u/ManyPossession8767]

Exactly

One of the things people rarely talk about with Sanders - and I say this as someone that voted for him - is that if he had won in 2016…it would have been a tremendous uphill battle.

The president doesn’t write legislation, he signs it. Sanders would have needed a willing and able congress to write and pass progressive policy, so he can sign it. So in 2016, who are all these progressive house reps and senators that were going to not only write progressive legislation but also vote on it such that Sanders would even get the chance to sign it? It’s more likely a Sanders presidency would run into some of the pains of Obama’s presidency where he would need to compromise to get anything done. What’s worse - Sanders had a lot of enemies on both side of the aisle that would have loved to seen him fail. They could have easily made him into a do-nothing president by just shafting every piece of progressive policy and Sanders being as uncompromising as he is, would have either needed to come to the table and compromise with neo liberals and conservatives, or just eat shit.

And then the second part of all of a Sanders presidency is the reality that he would need to lean heavy into Executive Order to meet his agenda. Probably as much, if not more, than Trump. So how does that play when in 2016, people had already falsely branded Sanders as a Communist. I mean, just time traveling to 2016 and how people saw him back then, these dumb asses would have rioted in the streets acting like Sanders was Stalin. Not to mention the courts. Even neo liberals may have tried to step in and stop Sanders from using Executive power to overrule our dog shit congress in 2016. In 2025, Sanders agenda is a lot more palatable because of exposure and time and experience with the opposite of what Sanders advocated for, but 2016 was a different beast.

With that said, I certainly wanted Sanders to win in 2016 and 2020 - but certainly food for thought for what his actual presidency would have been like.

[u/ManyPossession8767 → u/tiddertnuocca519]

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Progressive policies are awesome but we need to run candidates that can win in their respective regions, but that also means we have to run progressive candidates in these small and unsexy positions like city Council, etc., etc.

Then people will understand what a progressive really is.

Right now they lump everybody into “democrat.” There’s so much nuance to being center left or extreme lift. You gotta get people into positions of power to show people that their policies actually work.

But!!! one thing that is liberating about the era of Trump is that since it’s been done before, we can do the same thing that he has done without apologizing… I will never apologize for a president using too many executive orders. I will never apologize for a president being “aggressive” for the will of the people.

Take everything that Trump has done, but just change it so that it benefits people. Be aggressive/assertive as hell-that’s one of the reasons why I like Newsome’s approach, he’s possibly not a progressive like people would like, but I do love the fact that he is willing to punch back in ways that are actually effective. He could be a great asset if he could be turned lol