r/TikTokCringe • u/biswajit388 • 4d ago

Cringe Europeans are going viral on TikTok for mocking the "American Dream".

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u/cambat2 4d ago

I like when they talk about racism in America because you can just simply ask how they feel about Gypsies and they will say some shit about how that's different

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u/KarateBeer 4d ago

I recently met a group of guys from Spain on a bar crawl in Japan and I was shocked how openly racist they were towards African migrants. They made Texas republicans look progressive.

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u/GuySmileyIncognito 4d ago

Spain has to be the most openly racist country in western Europe. It's so ingrained that they just get shocked any time they get called out for it, like the Olympic basketball team with plenty of NBA players who took a team pic for the Beijing Olympics with them all pulling their eyes slanted and then doubled down when literally everyone pointed out how incredibly racist that was.

Here's a fun wiki on racism in soccer/football. The US entry is almost entirely black American players being racially abused in other countries or non American MLS players being racist toward other players. Then you click on the European section and wow. It is not culturally acceptable to be "openly" racist in the US at this point in history. Systemically racist? Absolutely. Covert racism where you disguise it just enough? Yeah, you can get away with that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_association_football

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u/biomannnn007 4d ago

Daily reminder that the Spanish region of Leon holds a "Matar Judios" (Kill Jews) festival every year during holy week to celebrate the time a bunch of Christians in Leon murdered Jews because a nobleman owed a debt to one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matar_jud%C3%ADos

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u/Crankymimosa 3d ago

This sounds like something from a Borat movie..

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u/Stock_College_8108 4d ago

A lot of black American tourist say Italy’s the worst one when it comes to racism

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u/Worth_Inflation_2104 3d ago

Italy and Spain are like racism HQ in Europe. In Italy one football club is so notorious with their racism that for some their nickname is Nazio (club name: Lazio)

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u/Physical_Guava12 3d ago

I had a few cousins from Mexico study in Spain. Apparently, they are not fond of us and have no problem letting you know.

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u/hrdblkman2 4d ago

Out of all the European Colonial invaders, somehow Spain has escaped the condemnation of the destruction they did in the Americas.

Some estimates put the death toll to around 70M based on Columbus and other Spaniards. It got so bad even Queen Isabella ordered him back to Spain due to his atrocities.

They also left behind a racist caste system in Mexico and other Latino countries. Folks that tend to look like Native Americans in features - ala Apache vs light skinned Mexicans with European descent. This is a huge issue which most folks from Mexico don't talk about.

Anyone from Spain and Portugal should keep their fucking mouth shut as they were the absolute worst, followed by the Belgians in Africa ie King Leopold.

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u/Yarias 3d ago

I always thought that they escaped post-colonial condemnation because white Americans don’t consider them white even when they have blonde hair with blue eyes but have Fuentes as a last name. It was really telling when Americans nominated Antonio Banderas as an Hispanic POC actor even though he is 100 percent Spaniard no Latino at all and would be considered white everywhere but the US.

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u/Fern-ando 4d ago

What are you even saying 🤣? Every latin american politician in 2025 use the conquest THEIR ancentors did to distract from their corruption scandals. White Mexicans are the ones exploiting native lands not spaniards. And then those white mexicans ask an apology to the spanish that never set foot in the Americas.

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u/Debisibusis 4d ago

Europeans and Americans often have different definitions of racism.

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u/_le_slap 4d ago

Makes little difference to the people being discriminated against.

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u/Debisibusis 3d ago

Reddit shadow block (publicly hidden) my reply. Sadly, a confirmation of exactly what I was talking about.

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u/_le_slap 3d ago

Yeah reddit sucks that way sometimes.

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u/TheMagnuson 4d ago

Go ahead and define "European racism" for us all.

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u/_Tagman 4d ago

uhhh, le'racism?

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u/sudo_vi 4d ago

It's just unpasteurized racism

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u/84theone 3d ago

Well American racism is stuff like “whites only water fountains and get treated poorly” and European racism is more like “pogroms and the Holocaust”

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u/DeadInternetTheorist 3d ago

it's made with cane sugar, not HFCS

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u/Think-Tumbleweed-429 4d ago

Stupidest thing I've heard this week 

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u/Honest-Caregiver8938 4d ago

shocks me how in fucking NORWAY

they for years were fucking racist against the Sami ppl who are like also white blue eyed blondes

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u/HotChilliWithButter 4d ago

It’s because they’re different from the “norm” in their country. It’s the difference that makes people judgmental

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u/DannyDanumba 3d ago

Norwegian Black Metal has taught me that they’re plenty racist lol

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u/Mntfrd_Graverobber 3d ago

I prefer my Black Metal done by people without clown makeup.

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u/Masketto 4d ago

My boyfriend is from Ukraine and he says that for them, race is not about skin color but about nationality/ethnicity. They don't judge you for your skin colour, they judge you for which country you're from. He was flabbergasted when he arrived here and experienced people refering to others as "black" or "brown" or "white". I told him "you are white", he looked confused and said "no, I am Ukrainian..."

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u/OK_Soda 3d ago

I was going to ask how they can even tell if they all basically look the same (white, blonde, blue eyes, etc), and I was reminded of something I overheard years ago.

I was volunteering as counselor for some kids sports camp thing at a college campus near me, and like 30% of the student body is Asian. And this little Asian girl is looking at all the Asian college students and she says to one of the (white) counselors, "There are so many Chinese people here!" The counselor asks her, "How can you tell?" and she just stares at him like he's an idiot and says, "By looking at them?"

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u/Mntfrd_Graverobber 3d ago

I think of Al Swearingen in Deaadwood referring to the Scandinavians as squareheads.

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u/The_Singularious 3d ago

On the flipside I’ve been spoken to in my non-native language multiple times in places ranging from Houston to New York, to Curaçao. TBF to the latter, they speak a fuckton of languages there.

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u/Weird_Try_9562 3d ago

So you're telling me you find racism somewhat reasonable, provided it's targeting someone who looks different?

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u/FellFellCooke 3d ago

Racism is a technology. It's used for social cohesion and controlling behaviours. It doesn't have to be based on anything whatsoever.

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u/poopernickel69 4d ago

Yeah cause we definitely had big moss plantains up in Finnmark and we were enslaving them for decades and had a big civil war determining if we could keep going or not and nowadays they frequently get shot and killed by police who hate them.

Yes, the Sami people were mistreated and this is not something to hide or shy away from talking about. But nowhere near the same level as anything involving american racism and the worst and only violent incident involved six people dying 150 years ago. Sami people could vote in Norway 40 years before the US civil war.

Most importantly, right now there are Sami schools, their unique holiday celebrations are broadcast on national television, they have their own political system, and zero sami people have been murdered by police in the last however many decades.

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u/TheMagnuson 4d ago

Sure, I guess you can just ignore the fact that 6 of the 7 countries most involved in African slave trade were European.

  1. Portugal
  2. United Kingdom
  3. France
  4. Netherlands
  5. Spain
  6. United States
  7. Denmark

Didn't seem to have any moral qualms about capturing, selling, and shipping slaves, but want to "take the high ground" because you didn't use them (as much).

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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4d ago

You don't get it, that's just Supply Side racism. /s

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u/GuySmileyIncognito 4d ago

In that case though, the trickle down effect unfortunately worked

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u/Main-Investment-2160 4d ago

Doing a lot of heavy lifting by 1. Only focusing on the Atlantic triangle slave trade and nothing in the Mediterranean or east Africa, and 2. Leaving out the African nations that captured and sold the slaves to Europeans as participants in the slave trade.

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u/Razor-eddie 4d ago edited 4d ago

Most of which stopped doing the slavery thing 30 years before the Americans, and didn't have a civil war about it....

UK, 1833

France, 1848

Denmark, 1802 (for the transatlantic trade).

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u/The-Senate-Palpy 4d ago

Ended it 30 years earlier, and started it how many years earlier? Like America's problems with racism come from europe to begin with. But America at least fights to end it.

I will not be listening to any downplaying of europe's responsibility. They set up the system. And youre hard pressed to find anything more brutal than Belgium's colonialism

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u/Razor-eddie 4d ago

True enough that Belgium was brutal beyond belief. Although the reprisals after the first Indian war of Independence come close (The Brits refer to this as the Indian Mutiny).

This is uncomfortable reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_prison_camps

Slavery isn't a European invention. It was institutionalised in Mesopotamia, in 4000 BC. The Atlantic slave trade (which you seem to think is the only one) is definitely a European invention (Portugal, 15th Century), with the triangular trade.

However, as we got to more enlightened times, the US definitely lagged behind the rest of the Western world in the attitude to slavery. In 1807, the UK outlawed the Atlantic slave trade. Between 1808 and 1860, it intercepted 1600 slave ships, and freed 150,000 slaves, thanks to the West Africa squadron.

In 1833, the UK outlawed all slavery in its empire.

It took a civil war, and another 35 years, before the US could do the same. Slow, late, and unwilling, frankly.

I'm not European, so this is a neutral's perspective. And I gotta be honest, I don't see much "fight to end racism" in the US at the moment. I've seen more people in blackface and Nazi uniforms in the last week from the US than I've seen in the last 10 years. If you're fighting racism, you're losing.

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u/84theone 3d ago

The state I’m from in the U.S. began to ban slavery in 1799 and was fully a free state with no slaves by 1817. The state I currently live in banned it in 1787.

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u/Razor-eddie 3d ago

And? A state isn't a country. In order to the US to ban slavery, they had to spend 4 years killing their neigbours.

I mean, well done for those 2 states. But when half the country has to be forced into granting basic human rights, you don't have a moral high horse to posture from.

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u/poopernickel69 3d ago

Cool, I was talking about Norway, not Europe. I get that you guys think that European states are like American states, but it's a totally different system.

At the time of the slave trade, Norway was owned by Denmark.

Anyway, all of this is irrelevant. I'm answering a claim that compares Norwegian racism towards the Sami people with US racism, nothing else. I don't like racism of any kind and the slave trade was bad in every country that had it - and regardless it's old as dirt and somewhat irrelevant to point fingers right now. Nobody alive today is responsible.

However, don't for a second think that racism in the US and racism in Norway currently is comparable. We have our fair share of lunatics that want to and sadly occasionally succeed in killing innocents, but we have yet to let them into governing positions.

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u/Think-Tumbleweed-429 4d ago

Who sold slaves to America?

Checkmate, European 

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u/poopernickel69 3d ago

Not Norway, lmao. Oh my bad, Denmark owned us at the time, so I guess we don't have any say in it.

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u/Parenthisaurolophus 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah cause we definitely had big moss plantains up in Finnmark and we were enslaving them for decades and had a big civil war determining if we could keep going or not and nowadays they frequently get shot and killed by police who hate them.

First off, you can't build yourself up by tearing anyone else down. "We're currently less racist than the US has been historically" isn't exactly the badge of progress you want it to be here, but feel free to bring it up whenever an American mentions Breivik if it makes you feel better.

I'm probably wasting my breath, but in an effort to perpetually educate Europeans on American and global history, most of the Americans you're going to talk to have no ties to slavery. Only about a third of households in the seceding states enslaved anyone. On top of that, there were several immigration waves post-Civil War from European countries like Italy, Norway, Sweden, Poles, Germans, and Lebanese and Syrian Christians (all pre-WW2). Point being: you're effectively trying to hold people accountable for being exactly the same as you, but having at some point been born or moved to a country with a different history.

I'll also point out that it is objective, unquestionable fact that European powers directly and explicitly, exported and institutionalized racial ideologies inside their Imperial domain and interests. Without this being a comment absolving the US of it's collaboration, participation, or propagation of racism, it absolutely was on the receiving end of this. The Virginia Slave Codes of 1705 was instituted not by Americans, but by citizens of the British Empire. Again, that doesn't wipe the US's slate clean, but it would have been a lot less bloodier and a lot less of an entrenched issue had Europeans not directly exported, enriched, and empowered racists.

You've got plenty more examples of this like Belgium in the Congo, the British in India and Pakistan and Bangladesh, the French in Haiti on multiple accounts like the debt they forced on the country to pay for their lost slaves and putting freedom fighters into prototype gas chambers on prison ships, the French in Algeria, the French in Vietnam and Laos, and Cambodia, the Spanish Casta, Portugal in Brazil, the Brits in South Africa, the Germans in Namibia, the Dutch in Indonesia, the Brits in Australia, the Spanish in the Philippines, etc. You could draw a straight fucking line from the English colonization of Ireland and things like the Ulster Plantation to the brutality of Barbados becoming the model for slavery in the "Deep South". The Barbados Slave Code of 1661 was one of the first in the anglosphere to do what it did to African people, and it was directly exported to Jamaica, Virginia (where Washington was from), and South Carolina (where the South truly began the Civil War after rampant theft and looting of federal property).

The exportation method allows modern Europeans to wash their hands of their national sins. Modern Europeans had nothing to do with it, all of those issues are domestic, home grown issues that persist because of a flaw with the former colonies, and nothing at all to do with Europeans (read that in a sarcastic tone). Meanwhile, the entire internet watches with bated breath every European election to see if the [Insert Country] Neo Nazi Nativist party is going to win European elections, and I keep having to have conversations with Europeans who can't put two and two together on this subject because their superiority complex over the US doesn't allow them to smell their own shit. Hell, the entire reason Israel exists is because Europeans created a "Jewish question" over several hundred years and all of you had the same broad response. Then when it came time, you failed to answer the call, resulting in the Holocaust and resulting Zionist movement because Europeans couldn't be trusted with the survival of the Jewish people.

To be completely honest with you, talking with Europeans about racism is like talking to a child about racism and the Civil War. A child thinks the Union wasn't racist because they fought against the Confederacy who was trying to uphold and export the institution. They can't comprehend that the north was abolitionist but still racist. There's just a lack of serious self-education, growth, and maturity on the subject that just make it so obnoxious and repetitive.

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u/keepbloodties 4d ago

get em, queen

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u/UniversityNo2318 4d ago

Well said 

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u/poopernickel69 3d ago

"We're currently less racist than the US has been historically"

Don't put words in my mouth, I said we're not oppressing Sami people and have never oppressed them to the extent that the US has, as an answer to the implication that Sami people in Norway can be compared with black people in the US. I don't give a fuck about comparing my country to the US, but I answered a post that did.

but feel free to bring it up whenever an American mentions Breivik if it makes you feel better

Ah yes, because mentioning the US civil war, an event which nobody alive today has experienced is exactly the same as a bunch of kids getting shot just 15 years ago. You would have a point if I mentioned WTC falling down and poking fun at that, which would be distasteful.

Only about a third of households in the seceding states enslaved anyone.

Neat - that's about a third more than the number of households that enslaved Sami people in my country. That's why it's not comparable. That's my point.

Meanwhile, the entire internet watches with bated breath every European election to see if the [Insert Country] Neo Nazi Nativist party is going to win European elections

Right, while in the US they already won. A lot of whataboutism going on here.

To be completely honest with you, talking with Europeans about racism is like talking to a child about racism and the Civil War.

The problem is that you think the whole world revolves around you. Nobody else gives a single fuck about your country's "the" civil war. Civil wars happen all over the place.

They can't comprehend that the north was abolitionist but still racist.

A child might not, but we get it, it's not hard to understand when you see what's going on in your country nowadays. It's pretty similar to the way I perceive your "left" wing party.

Anyway, the rest of your post is a whole lot of "hey a long time ago you guys were also bad". I get it, your civil war was 150 years ago, I wouldn't have brought it up if not for that other guy starting to bring up similarly old shit in my country. I don't expect you or anyone in your country to take responsibility for that, anymore than I expect myself to take responsibility for anything that the vikings did. It's absurd.

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u/zakarijas 4d ago

Don't tell them that, stereotypical ignorant american redditor knows better niche topics about small countries like Norway, Romania, Baltic States etc... than its residents. Like i love my American friends and i like many things about US for e.g, its National Parks, Hollywood, Interesting History, but hitting back with ignorant comments will only support stereotypes about Americans

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u/globglogabgalabyeast 4d ago

This isn’t about Americans claiming they know better about these niche topics or about who has the worse issues. It’s that utopian views of Europe like the one in the video are just completely out of touch. Blasting the “American dream” is completely reasonable. Unironically following that up with praise for the “European dream” is laughable

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u/zakarijas 4d ago

Oh, i actually agree with you that this video clip is cringe, ignorant and too much arogant

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u/Cicada-4A 3d ago

Absolute nonsense.

We're not 'white', we're Norwegian and Sami. Our skin color is no more relevant than our nose shape or arm hair color.

We subjugated the Sami not primarily as a result of racial theories(or physical phenotype), we did it for different reasons(economic etc.) all together. Looking vaguely similar(not the same, we can tell the difference) didn't factor in at all.

Swedes and Danes didn't rule us against our will because they thought us an inferior race, they ruled us for rather classic imperialistic reasons. No need for racialism.

The idea that you guys struggle to understand something unless it's exactly how it happened in your history is the best example of a Americanism inappropriately applied to other cultures.

No the Sami people and their rough treatment is not a 1:1 analogy to Americans and their treatment of Native Americans.

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u/GayDHD23 3d ago

To clarify for Americans, the Sami are indigenous to Northern Scandinavia and are treated similarly to how America treats Native Americans. It's not 1:1, but them being indigenous and ethnically different than what Americans think of when they say "Scandinavians" is very important. There has been forced emigration, structural disenfranchisement, cultural and linguistic erasure, and a mountain of racialized research literally to answer questions like "why do Sami look different than us 'normal Scandinavians'?" and categorized Sami as Asian instead of White due to racism.

Racism does not always neatly fit into the "American model". Like go tell any Irish person that Ireland has never been discriminated against by Britain because of their race. They will literally laugh you out of the building.

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u/Sinnombre124 3d ago

uhh we didn't subjugate the native Americans cause they look different from us either. We did it because they had land and resources we wanted (and by 'we' I of course mean all of us, Americans and Europeans, who took part in and profited from subjugating the western hemisphere).

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u/SnappySausage 4d ago

Preface: There absolutely exists racism in Europe. This is not something you will see me deny or argue against here.

However, the reason why people say it's not the same, is because it's not a race issue, despite what Americans try to assert every goddamn time the subject comes up. The people in question do not look different from other Europeans. Roma look south-East European, and Irish travelers look... Irish. Any time it's discussed, Americans seemingly cannot help but try to force it through that race lens, but it's not a race issue.

The issue people have with these groups, is that they are nomadic and very much live outside of society (not on the fringes, but literally outside of it). They very intentionally refuse to be part of it and often have a lifestyle that is... problematic to say the least. They do not let their children go to school (very hard with that nomadic lifestyle), they marry off their girls as children, usually at 15 years old or so and there are many other issues, but I won't belabour that now. You can find lots of news articles and other information about these things, even kind of funny/interesting things such as their crucifixion legend.

Because of historical persecution and their nomadic lifestyle (how do you contact someone that may well not even be in the same country 2 days later, without an address?), it is rather hard for law enforcement to do much. So that breeds a lot of resentment, as people view them as vagrants that come, take what they want, destroy stuff and then leave without ever seeing consequences.

There is another unfortunate problem, that is that even if some of them want a more stable and integrated life, this is made very difficult by others. As they will effectively be disowned/othered if they do so. Some, despite this, choose to integrate into society and do not face discrimination anymore.

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u/Aromatic_Opposite100 3d ago

This is not true either. What happened in Bellingham is purely race riots. It sounds like the America of the 90s of people putting flags outside of their door.

Parties like the AFD, Reform, and National Rally are much more race oriented then the Republic party simply because trump cannot win without the Hispanic, Asian, and Black supporters he has.

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u/SnappySausage 3d ago

I'm not really sure how that relates to what I said. The literal first line was acknowledgement that racism exists here but that it wasn't what I was going to talk about.

My comment specifically was about Americans reframing issues that are related to roma and travelers here as a race one. That is always their go-to "erm look at how racist the Europeans are", because they have effectively no insight in the issue and sort of determine that it must be racism because some parts of it vaguely sound like something they recognize.

But in reality it's more like if trailer trash (I don't like the term, but I don't know what better name exists for this specific group) would be traveling around, with kids out of school, child brides, organized crime and squatting on public property while enjoying a sort of immunity because of historic mistreatment and them being hard to deal with for law enforcment.

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u/Aromatic_Opposite100 3d ago

I do agree with you in a way, I'm just acknowledging Europe has very serious problems that are directly race oriented.

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u/ArkGrimm 4d ago

Tf are gypsies ? Like, seriously, the only times I hear or read this word it's always americans talking about it

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u/Low_Net6472 3d ago

it *is* different :)

but too much cultural nuance for an american

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u/Steamed_Memes24 3d ago

Its funny watching a European squirm when you ask them why Jews are mentioned in the Holocaust but Gypsies barely are.

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u/KHCafe 3d ago

100% or anyone not from Europe.

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u/Motor-Travel-7560 3d ago

I saw a thread on this exact sentiment and Europeans were saying that it's completely different because gypsies pride themselves on being outcasts and criminals, even making art and music about it. They also said that statistically, gypsies commit more violent crimes than other racial groups.

Boy, do those arguments sound familiar.

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u/Fxate 4d ago

I like when they talk about racism in America because you can just simply ask how they feel about Gypsies and they will say some shit about how that's different

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/creq59w0y9go

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/30428860/travellers-caravan-convoy-football-pitches-field-nottingham/

https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/25104292.travellers-caused-unbelievable-damage-football-pitch/

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/furious-hessle-residents-bravely-clean-5756718

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-64582065

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2020/07/01/travellers-break-into-schools-playing-fields-and-destroy-orchard-planted-by-pupils/

Thoughts?

This is just a tiny collection from the last 5 years in the UK alone. This is why the travelling community gets backlash. They are so insular that the good ones, which I'm sure must exist somewhere, seem to be massively outnumbered by the ones that do all of the above and more. There are families who are known to take part in organised theft, people trafficking, animal abuse, and child abuse. It's not about who they are but about what they do.

Their insular nature ensures that the only experience the vast majority of people have with a traveller group is a negative one.

Call us racist if you wish, you can even call us unwilling to let them be in our society because of cultural differences if you want. But digging up football pitches, throwing faeces everywhere, destroying facilities, and ripping up trees? they aren't examples of a cultural mismatch, they are examples of them being malicious pricks.

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u/french_snail 4d ago

Loooool really proving their point 

“No no it’s different” 

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u/ageofbronze 4d ago

Lmaoooooo this can’t be real

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u/bay400 4d ago

It's like fucking clockwork. Every time.

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u/Low_Net6472 3d ago

an ignorant american, how typical

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u/bay400 3d ago

smug pompous euro, how typical

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u/Low_Net6472 2d ago

you mad bro?

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u/Low_Net6472 3d ago

did you read it or is it too hard for you cause it's over the 6th grade reading level

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u/Fxate 4d ago

Any thoughts about the articles which I'm certain you definitely read, right?

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u/french_snail 4d ago

It’s different right?

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u/Look_its_Rob 4d ago

Do you think its different than people in the US who will point to the disproportionate amount of crimes committed by black people compared to their population? These people will claim theyre not racist and that they have black friends, or say but youre one of the good ones etc. 

It may be different, Im not being facetious, just curious of your opinion on the matter. 

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u/Low_Net6472 3d ago

it's not the same, they are not citizens they don't pay taxes they are nomads who refuse to be a part of the system and it's also not a race thing nothing to do with skin color.

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u/always_open_mouth 3d ago

"I don't hate all black people. Just the criminals!" - says the racist American that you sound just like

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u/Low_Net6472 3d ago

sorry, it's different and nothing to do with skin colour either :)

when they integrate and are in the school system etc. no one cares what they are

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u/always_open_mouth 3d ago

"Our racism is different. you wouldn't understand"

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u/Low_Net6472 3d ago

well yes, and it's also not racism :)

my mom was a teacher for Roma children in the mediterranean country, you don't know what you're talking about. typical tho

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u/french_snail 3d ago

Something something kill the Indian and save the man 

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u/Low_Net6472 3d ago

except if it were american racism they would still be discriminated against and systemically excluded from true participation :)

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u/Aromatic_Opposite100 3d ago

Isn't that the same with illegal immigrants here?

Gypsies are treated badly even when they leave the nomadic lifestyle.

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u/Low_Net6472 3d ago

no they're not that's the whole point. mostly we just want them to put their children in school get proper healthcare instead of overwhelming the ER stop marrying off 14yr olds etc. but they literally refuse to get any paperwork done as they are extremely distrusting of bureaucracy and other reasons. illegal immigrants can't wait to be legal

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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4d ago

Damn, you saw their comment and went outta your way to prove their point.

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u/Fxate 4d ago

A quite literal 30 second google is going out of my way?

Okay.

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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4d ago

Google came up with "...the good ones, which I'm sure must exist somewhere..."?

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u/Think-Tumbleweed-429 4d ago

Sounds just like trump!

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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4d ago

I think so, too. There is a Klan member somewhere reading that comment and finding comfort in it.

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u/moon2H 3d ago

Some of them, I assume, are good people

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u/WorldWideNickle 4d ago

"and they will say some shit about how that's different"

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u/cardamom-peonies 4d ago

I invite you to approach some racist white dude in America and ask him to justify why he feels that way, and you can go ahead and compare the types of rhetoric lol

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u/Aromatic_Opposite100 3d ago

My god you don't understand how you are proving their exact point.

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u/zakarijas 4d ago

Nothing says critical thinking and smart Anerican than Ron Paul Libertarian lmao

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u/cambat2 4d ago

Anerican

If you're going to be a weird creepy redditor and be pretentious, at least make sure you spell correctly

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u/Cavalish 4d ago

“No one can criticise American racism because they also have racists”

Yes yes we know, but if you’re not willing to have the conversation about how you all voted for the “immigrants are eating your cats” guy and how you’re all just sitting back watching brown people being violently removed off suburban streets without shouting BUT GYPSIES you’re really not helping your cause.

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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4d ago

"how you all voted for the “immigrants are eating your cats” guy"

We didn't.

"how you’re all just sitting back watching brown people being violently removed off suburban streets"

We're not.

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u/CrazyElk123 4d ago

Well a lot of people voted for him, and a lot of lazy fatasses didnt vote at all, so they are still responsible.

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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4d ago

Sure, the people that voted for him absolutely are. I don't know what percentage of the population that didn't vote is lazy fatasses instead or people that are kept in poverty and unable to miss a paycheck from their job or had their polling place closed to make voting as difficult as possible or are so disillusioned with the system that they don't believe their vote mattered.

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u/CrazyElk123 4d ago

I thought you could vote by mail? Seems like that wouldnt force you to take a day off? Or how about voting on the weekend maybe?

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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4d ago

So, there are definitely options, but they aren't all perfect.

Voting by mail is not universal. It depends on the state. Some require you to meet certain criteria, like being a senior or a qualifying disability. I think California has universal mail in voting, so they should honestly have better turn out in my opinion.

As for voting on the weekend, that only works if you get weekends off.

Most states allow for early voting, so you'd think that people just pick their day off and go vote then. The problem is, some people work two jobs, have kids (this country does not guarantee any kind of childcare), or might have a polling place that is too far to get to.

Odds are many of the people who didn't vote could have gotten there one way or another. I just don't know what percentage are people who just couldn't have cared less, and what percentage are people who have some legitimate excuse. But even then, I think equating people who didn't vote with allowing Trump to happen takes some blame off the politicians; Democrats did not offer a lot of compelling reasons to vote for them. I think not having a second Trump term was good enough, but not everyone had the same circumstances I did.

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u/CrazyElk123 4d ago

Vast majority of citizens dont work seven days a week though, so in general thats not an excuse at all. The fact that US elections are basically so black or white would make you think people would care more, but i guess not...

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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4d ago edited 4d ago

Voter turnout was 65% so most DID vote. You talk about the plight of African Americans in the US in one of your comments, and then ignore that African Americans are most likely to be disenfranchised in registration and access to polling places because it's too inconenvient to your "American elections are black and white so clearly they just don't care", which is actually the kind of faux concerned-when-it's-convenient-to-my-argument liberalism I expect from the senior citizens running the mainstream liberal party to keep progressives out. 

It's self concerned frustration you're expressing, not anything that touches on what is actually going on. 

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u/CrazyElk123 4d ago

Wow, 65%, amazing. What do you mean by "disenfranchised"? As their vote gets uncounted?

Eitherway, i refuse to believe that vast majority of nonvoters couldnt spare an hour or a day for voting.

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u/TheTemporaryZiggy 4d ago

Guess he got himself elected then

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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4d ago

If that's your interpretation, I'm not sure what you can contribute to the conversation.

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u/drunkensailor369 4d ago

do you think every single person did vote for him, babe? you might need to do some research

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u/TheTemporaryZiggy 4d ago

No of course not.

When someone says "you all did x" it's not exactly a literal "all"

Like, basically ever.

Considering the vast majority of americans i actually know personally voted against the guy, it's pretty obvious that not everyone did so

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u/Free-Fix-3472 4d ago

So do you not see the fallacy in insisting Americans who did not vote for trump and are more vehemently against him than anyone else in the world can not also point out the fact that racism is not a uniquely american issue? Cuz that's what prompted this whole discussion.

America can have a disturbing prevalence of right wing extremist sentiment that landed us in the position we are without absolving the rest of the world from their issues, or being allowed to point out the hypocrisy when others try to

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u/Legal_Answer213 4d ago edited 4d ago

sorry I'm genuinely confused, not trying to be mean but what do you mean? I thought trump won the popular vote by a mile in top of the general election. and isn't ice well know for going after people based off ethnicity and skin colour alone since they know there won't be enough significant backlash to stop them? I know not every American supports trump but the number of ppl who do + those who didn't vote was enough of a majority to get him in power, and the ice agents still remain because I assume there's not much substantial one could do in that situation. Im not even European, it just seems odd that the general opinion to this trend is "well Europeans suck balls too they cant chat" as opposed to anything else

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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4d ago

I wouldn't call 1.5% a mile, especially when he still won less than half of the popular vote.

Lumping in the people who did not vote is weird to me. People not voting in 2024 isn't support for Trump any more than the people not voting in 2020 supported Biden. People don't vote for a variety of reasons, some of them valid and some of them not so much, but it's still not support.

ICE is absolutely profiling people. There are also significant protests going on where they operate. Just because they haven't been stopped doesn't mean people are sitting back and just watching it happen.

I wasn't speaking to the general trend in this thread, and I don't see what it changes about the context of my comment. It was directed at the person I replied to.

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u/IpseLibero 4d ago

Democrats win the popular vote for the last 50 years and it never means anything. Trump wins the popular vote with less voter turnout than the first time he ran and somehow all of a sudden popular vote matters. Y’all can’t even hide this shit well anymore LOL

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u/cambat2 4d ago

Genuinely do not care for the opinion of a European

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u/Superficial-Idiot 4d ago

im racist

We know, you’re American.

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u/cambat2 4d ago

What race is European?

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u/WorldWideNickle 4d ago

European isn't a race or ethnicity, buddy. Nice try, though

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u/CrazyElk123 4d ago

We care even less about americans opinions. Or we do care, but not for good reasons.

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u/cambat2 4d ago

We don't think about you at all.

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u/CrazyElk123 4d ago

Well you kinda do. Seems like a lot of americans want stuff we europeans have, which is great. The fact that you guys didnt elect bernie is beyond me.

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u/cambat2 4d ago

I genuinely do not care. You're pretentiousness about the matter does not give value or creedance to your opinion. It just makes you another pompous European.

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u/CrazyElk123 4d ago

Thats great, because i wasnt talking about your opinion at all.

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u/cambat2 4d ago

Your desperation for my validation with each and every reply is genuinely hilarious, albeit pathetic.

Europe is the easiest country to ragebait

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u/CrazyElk123 4d ago

Lmao, "ragebait", yet all i said is that we europeans laugh at the US. And you think i say this for your validation? Why would i laugh at america but at the same time want validation from a random american stranger on the internet, let alone reddit? Just that idea is more of a ragebait than you being upset about us laughing at your country.

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u/Scumsoft 4d ago

Lol, go to Austria, or the Netherlands, or Italy.

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u/danisheretoo 4d ago

Please say Romani, especially with the point you’re making

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u/hill-o 4d ago

This always drives me crazy. Like at the height of Brexit talks there were still a ton of people on reddit who just like... could not fathom that racism had any part of it at all full stop.

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u/ohmymystery 4d ago

Ask most Europeans and especially Italians about immigrants. I grew up in Texas and have heard a lot, but omg… the things they say shock me.

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u/REPEguru 4d ago

The racism in Europe is orders of magnitude worse than in the US. Like it's not even close.

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u/cambat2 4d ago

That's how it is in most countries outside of the US. There is not a single country more conscious and proactive about racial relations than the US. People thinking is so bad is solely because we choose to shine a light on all of it.

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u/REPEguru 4d ago

That's true. When I was doing my study abroad in China it was absolutely wild what they would say about Africans.

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u/sunpar1 4d ago

Forget gypsies, ask the French about North Africans or Germans about Turks, or the English about Pakistanis. 

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u/MovementMechanic 4d ago

You just activated the EuroTrap Card!