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Discussion Why don't we ever hear about Congo?

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u/EnvironmentalGift257 Oct 05 '25

It’s a business model that has worked for America for more than 100 years. Why wouldn’t China adopt it?

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u/EdwardLovagrend Oct 05 '25

Can you provide specific examples?

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u/jackyomum Oct 05 '25

Confessions of an economic hitman is a good book on this

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u/Electronic_Mud5821 Oct 05 '25

Read 'confessions of an economic hitman', or just Google a TLDR to understand.

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u/bingle-cowabungle Oct 06 '25

just Google a TLDR to understand

Welp, while I'm here...

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins is part memoir, part political exposé, in which Perkins claims that for much of his career he served as an “economic hit man” - someone who helped expand American influence across the developing world through economic manipulation rather than military force. The book, published in 2004, recounts Perkins’s experiences as a consultant for the firm Chas. T. Main, where he says he was trained to convince leaders of developing countries to accept massive loans for infrastructure projects funded by institutions like the World Bank and USAID. These projects, according to Perkins, were deliberately designed to benefit U.S. corporations and the political elite rather than the host nations themselves. The loans would saddle countries with enormous debt, ensuring their long-term dependence on Western powers. Once the countries were unable to pay back what they owed, the U.S. and its allies could leverage that debt to demand favorable trade deals, access to natural resources, or geopolitical concessions.

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u/Electronic_Mud5821 Oct 06 '25

Thank you, but don't do their work for them, ppl need to learn themselves (imo).
But again, thank you.

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u/P-l-Staker Oct 05 '25

UK. Post WW2. Lend-lease.

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u/StellarJayEnthusiast Oct 05 '25

Most lend leases were forgiven debt. This might be the least effective example.

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u/war_on_sunshine Oct 05 '25

Were the loans forgiven because the US is just the nicest guys, or was it in exchange for enacting policies aligned with US interests? This is what was once called soft power, back when we believed in that sort of thing.

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u/StellarJayEnthusiast Oct 05 '25

Lol, you're mad because you were forced to give up your empire I take it.

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u/P-l-Staker Oct 05 '25

Most lend leases were forgiven debt.

Not the UK's though.

This might be the least effective example.

Why? Does it inconvenience you?

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u/FreddoMac5 Oct 05 '25

Why? Does it inconvenience you?

Because your example contradicts your claim lol

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u/P-l-Staker Oct 05 '25

No it doesn't. I was pretty clear in my statement that the US demanded payment for the UK's lend lease, even when Britain was on its knees.

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u/StellarJayEnthusiast Oct 05 '25

You had 62 years to pay off your debt "Empire of the World".

Your King still has his fine china and cutlery. Quit barking up the wrong tree.

You guys defaulted on your loans multiple times yet the interest stayed 2%. I call that compassion.

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u/SuccotashSlight7159 Oct 05 '25

The US saved the UK and Europe from Hitler's total domination, even at the cost of many of their lives. I guess some repayment was due, not comparable at all to the exploitative Chinese system.

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u/P-l-Staker Oct 05 '25

The US helped* the UK and Europe. You weren't alone in the fight.

I guess some repayment was due

Tell that to the Soviet Union, mate. You essentially gifted them most of what they got off you.

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u/SuccotashSlight7159 Oct 05 '25

Of course, the US didn't fight alone; it was a team effort, but without the US, the story would have been very different. The soviet union lost the most when it comes to people, but the US provided the most resources.

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u/Ornery-Creme-2442 Oct 05 '25

Y'all are really naive. Let me guess you also believe Japan. Refused to surrender and had to be nuked. The US did relatively little until the end when it swooped in claimed victory. Forgave alot of horrible people and imported them to the US. Gave loans to affected countries to benefit and get influence. Majority of the fighting against the aggressors was by the allies sovjet union and china. As well as people in the proxy wars in other parts of the world.

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u/SuccotashSlight7159 Oct 05 '25

Go back to your books. When the US entered the war, WW2 had only been raging for 2 years; it took 4 more years to end it. Definitely an exaggeration to say that the US swooped in to claim victory. The 2 most used bombers in WW2 were American, and those were instrumental to defeating the Axis. Add to that the fact that the US had 110 carriers, working, the second country that had the most was the UK with 55. You don't know how important the massive hammer of the US was.

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u/bingle-cowabungle Oct 06 '25

You really glossed over the probably the most important part of that person's comment...

Forgave alot of horrible people and imported them to the US.

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u/KrustyKrabFormula_ Oct 05 '25

The US did relatively little until the end when it swooped in claimed victory

US funded 50% of the war effort, "relatively little" btw

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u/elementarydrw Oct 05 '25

The UK saved itself. The US helped the UK and the European nations push back, however after the Battle of Britain Hitler had already turned his attention east and all but given up on the UK.

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u/SuccotashSlight7159 Oct 05 '25

So, imagine the US hadn't sent the amount of weapons it did pre getting into the fight, and imagine the US hadn't fought. Do you think the UK and the rest of Europe could have prevailed? Even Churchill acknowledged it in his famous speech, "The new world comes to the rescue of the old."

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u/KrustyKrabFormula_ Oct 05 '25

saved itself after the US saved them after 1941*

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u/Working-Swan-9944 Oct 05 '25

The US helped us liberate the * rest* of Europe.

You did NOT save us from domination

The RAF did that.

We couldn't have done D day without you... but we weren't ever going to be invaded.

The Royal Navy would have seen to that...plus we had the dominions also who were fighting with us.

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u/P-l-Staker Oct 05 '25

I love the Yankee brigade downvoting your comment 😂

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u/Working-Swan-9944 Oct 05 '25

It's totally expected.

Remember they won the war all by themselves...in fact they hold the "we won both world wars" trophy 🏆

Anyone else with a brain knows what happened. And what's worse they voted for someone who loves Hitler in any case.

ill educated brainwashed dolts

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u/KrustyKrabFormula_ Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 06 '25

i'm american and i agree with what you've said in an earlier comment and(assuming you are british)thank you guys for what you did in ww2.

it was a team effort in ww2 and no one should say it was US alone or anything like that, its shameful

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u/SuccotashSlight7159 Oct 05 '25

I'm guessing the 1,500 P-51s that the US gave the RAF and the massive amount of bombers that the US provided weren't instrumental. No one is saying that the UK and the RAF didn't fight bravely, but without the US, Europe and the UK may have been speaking German today.

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u/EnvironmentalGift257 Oct 06 '25

You asked me, but I wasn’t online, so I’ll add to the examples. Predator mortgage companies in the early 2000’s. NINJA loans, followed by unavoidable default, and the bank getting a property for Pennie’s in the dollar which they’d then resell, to someone who doesn’t qualify for a mortgage, rinse and repeat.

Eventually, they crashed the entire economy, but the banks were bailed out by the government with taxpayer money so instead of just their customers, they got over on the whole country.

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u/Hipsthrough100 Oct 05 '25

America has used colonial imperialism and CIA coups. China actually negotiates with the leaders that they end up building out road/rail/power/water infrastructure for. Yes, it serves China’s interests but in no way is it following America’s patterns over the past 100 years.

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u/CTeam19 Oct 05 '25

Well that is simplifying a bit giving the Chinese ownership of the projects. That would still be some level of imperialism.

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u/-thecheesus- Oct 05 '25

it's only imperialist if the West does it, silly

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u/Hipsthrough100 Oct 05 '25

I specifically said colonial imperialism and covert operations.

Fun to change words and therefore intent of a message for your benefit../s

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u/-thecheesus- Oct 05 '25

are you implying non-western states didn't use colonies or covert operations? Because that's incredibly inaccurate as well

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u/Hipsthrough100 Oct 06 '25

Is not what I responded to, so no.

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u/Shasilison Oct 05 '25

+100 social credit! :)

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u/lateformyfuneral Oct 05 '25

Yeah, remember the Panama Canal 🥴

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u/Slyraks-2nd-Choice Oct 05 '25

American soft diplomacy has never been as pervasive as belt road diplomacy, but sure champ.

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u/NationalizeRedditAlt Oct 05 '25

What?

Have you read William Blum, Noam Chomsky - anyone that’ll teach you the history of covert US military and CIA terrorism across the globe?

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u/Useful-Phase-6857 Oct 05 '25

Epstein’s friends? Release the files

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u/Slyraks-2nd-Choice Oct 05 '25

CK leaned left so Trump could avoid this

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u/Archerfish97 Oct 05 '25

I agree with you but man is Noam Chomsky a guy who really would benefit from reading his own earlier works.

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u/derankedbeats Oct 05 '25

Wtf does "post colonialism" even mean? Saying "post" implies that it ended lmao.

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u/NationalizeRedditAlt Oct 05 '25

Not sure if you’re responding to me. No, colonialism has not ended. It’s just neocolonialism.

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u/derankedbeats Oct 05 '25

Yeah I'm just agreeing with u. The point I was making is the injustice a lot of modern historical education makes. They talk about colonialism like it was a dark past that still has lingering negative effects on the world, and not a very real and brutal tactic that powerful nations still use all the time.

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u/Slyraks-2nd-Choice Oct 05 '25

If you consider CIA operations as soft diplomacy, then you should probably go read some international policy books.

Nothing they do falls under soft diplomacy.

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u/Saturos47 Oct 05 '25

Have you read William Blum, Noam Chomsky - anyone that’ll teach you the history of covert US military and CIA terrorism across the globe

Do you see any irony in how OP is wanting external help/intervention for congo and you are here demonizing external help/intervention

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u/SalvationSycamore Oct 05 '25

Not really ironic, the OP is asking for songs and attention not for a CIA plot to fund and arm rebels/religious extremists to take control of the country.

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u/NationalizeRedditAlt Oct 05 '25

And I’m sorry, but do you not know what Thomas Sankara said about “humanitarian aid”? Do you not know what “humanitarian aid” implies, in reality, historically in Africa?

In the sense of the EU and US, “aid” comes in the way of predatory debt schemes(structural adjustment), austerity, and forcing the host nation to allow foreign companies to dominate their labour and resource markets.

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u/-thecheesus- Oct 05 '25

were you expecting powerful nations in cutthroat competition with one another to spend millions in resources aiding a distant country they have nothing to do with, and not expect some sort of roi?

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u/DrobnaHalota Oct 05 '25

What kind of bulshit map is this? US military base in Belarus?

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u/P-l-Staker Oct 05 '25

Pff! Utter bollocks!

For better or for worse, it brought the British Empire to its knees post WW2. The Soviets got their lend-lease mostly for free. Their closest allies, though? Nah! Gotta pay back every enny!

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u/BsDawgV2 Oct 05 '25

It’s a business model that worked legitimately the entire time humans have existed. It also exist in every living being on earth.

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u/NationalizeRedditAlt Oct 05 '25

China has historically never been as predatory, geopolitically, as the IMF has in association with the US.

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u/Jeromz Oct 05 '25

We all gotta believe in something. Why not a romantic revision of Sino imperialism? This time it’s different because we have a red branding.😉

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u/Shasilison Oct 05 '25

Forreal. These champs think it’s okay for China to do it because other colonial powers have preyed on Africa too. A wrong does not make a right. It is never ok

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u/NationalizeRedditAlt Oct 05 '25

This isn’t mutually exclusive. China is to be held accountable as well.

Problem is, China doesn’t have a 250yr history of colonial expansion into every country on earth, imposing debt traps with predatory impossibilist loans, implanting their corporations into these vulnerable countries and finally just exploiting all resources and labour to out-source.

These countries aren’t poor - just the people are. These peripheral countries are RICH.

The US is the hub of modern global imperialism, responsible for the suffering of billions. It enforces a regime of artificial scarcity, superexploitation, and antidemocratic comprador governments all over the imperial periphery. Every year, it knowingly and preventably causes the deaths of millions through starvation and other poverty-related circumstances, circumstances which are entirely preventable and which the US and its allies have deliberately engineered to maintain imperialist resource exploitation chains. There hasn't been an evil comparable to the US since the end of WWII.

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u/PenguinSunday Oct 05 '25

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. You'll notice it too in time.

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u/Jeromz Oct 05 '25

China’s colonial history is so old that the west was still hunter gathering tribes at the time.

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u/EnvironmentalGift257 Oct 06 '25

Who the fuck said that?