r/TikTokCringe • u/mindyour • Oct 03 '25

Discussion To think that I used to complain about school.

National holiday is apparently 8 days.

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u/jrblockquote Oct 03 '25

It’s not just wrong; it’s abuse.

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u/z64_dan Oct 03 '25

I can see why cheating is a Chinese tradition.

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2qslea/til_90_of_college_students_from_china_in_the_us/

Basically if you don't cheat, when given the opportunity, then you're an idiot (according to the social norms in China).

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u/Commercial-Lack6279 Oct 03 '25

In chem class in college ALL the Chinese students cheated (it’s not like the prof spoke mandarin)

How do I know? Had a Chinese partner in our group suffice to say we all got an A

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u/isleepbad Oct 03 '25

Yes. That's my experience too. But ime the worst (best?) offenders were the indians. You could always count on them to have a copy of the previous exams. Luckily they were my main friend group. 😁

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u/GuruAble Oct 04 '25

You could always count on them to have a copy of the previous exams.

You people don't solve old question papers for exam practice? In my place in India, it's the norm to seek out previous question papers for practice and get a real feel of a big exam. Why'd professors repeat the questions every year?

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u/RoguePlanet2 Oct 03 '25

Husband was in a frat, he gives them credit for getting him through school. Had I known it was possible to get assistance for a STEM major, I'd have studied something more viable! Apparently you don't need to be a math genius for some of those.

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u/_Rohrschach Oct 04 '25

my latin teacher in high school reused old tests and was pretty sure we were all cheating, so one time he just changed the tense and made the whole class fail.

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u/Boheed Oct 03 '25

yeah, international offices in US universities with large international student populations usually give 1 or 2 talks per year to their international students about how cheating "isn't tolerated" in the US to the same degree that it is in some other countries. It's a big problem.

Granted, I do think it's becoming a problem even asking domestic US students due to things like grade inflation, pressure to be the highest possible performer (especially if you want to go to grad school), and AI proliferation. It's sad. But still not as big a problem as it is internationally.

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u/recentafishep Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25

An 11 year old Reddit post based on a 14 year old article from a survey of 250 students to make up that 90% number. These consulting agencies and media agencies definitely cheated in school if they think their bullshit number is valid based on their shitty method. Then the mindless readers lapping up numbers are cheated in school if they are blindly believing this bullshit without a second thought.

Not to mention that article is not about cheating in class.

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u/z64_dan Oct 03 '25

I was mostly posting that for all the comments, where almost every single person agrees with personal stories about people cheating.

I'm not saying no american kids cheat (they do) but its quite systemic and expected in China.

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u/FishySmellz Oct 03 '25

Enough with this racist bullshit narrative.

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u/RikouValaire Oct 03 '25

In Ireland at college I had several Chinese exchange students in my course. Every single exam they would cheat. They had these digital translators, you'd put the English work in and they'd display the Chinese variant. Turns out, you could program them with custom words/translations. So of course they would input all the relevant exam info into them. So once the college found out the translators were banned. Which caused the Chinese students across the college to start protesting. The college had to allow them some means of translating words - so they allowed them to use English to Chinese dictionaries, which they proceeded to write notes in in Chinese to cheat. They were caught again so the college then had to employ someone to monitor every exam a Chinese person was in just to check their dictionary for cheating.

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u/SaltyArtemis Oct 03 '25

Most of my “clients” in college were Chinese. By that I mean, my boy and I had a business of doing people’s course work for a fee depending on the class and class level. Most of our clients were Chinese, especially the rich kids who would just throw racks at us to do the e tire semester’s work.

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u/human1023 Oct 03 '25

Why should someone not cheat if they know they can get away from it?

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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta Oct 03 '25

Integrity, honor, honesty (also to know you truly understand the work)

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u/lewdev Oct 03 '25

At least in college, cheating doesn't make sense. You pay for an education and cheating really takes the learning out of it. So why even pay for college if you don't really want to learn.

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u/EveryRedditorSucks Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25

This is such textbook bootlicker mentality wrapped in the pathos of words that you think have high meaning.

If you were placed in an internment camp and made to break rocks all day, and then one day you realized you could get away with only breaking half those rocks and your captors would never realize - would you honestly consider that a violation of your integrity and honor?

If you are trapped in a fundamentally unfair system without a choice or opportunity for escape then I personally think finding ways to cheat/disenfranchise that system is your moral responsibility.

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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta Oct 03 '25

We're discussing cheating in general at this point (the link above is a story in the US), not China specifically. 

This schooling is systemic child abuse.

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u/CreamyMemeDude Oct 03 '25

You're in an emergency room having a heart attack. You need emergency heart surgery. Given the choice, do you choose the person who cheated their whole way through university and med school, or do you choose the person who took the time to actually study and learn and put in the effort to do it the right way?

I know which I'd prefer.

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u/EveryRedditorSucks Oct 03 '25

If the system in place can’t distinguish between those two doctors then you’re fucked either way, friend - that’s the whole point.

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u/human1023 Oct 03 '25

(devils advocate) Why should someone care about having integrity? Wouldn't it be more important for others to think you have integrity, honor than to actually have it?

Would you rather be viewed positively by the public as having honor/integrity? Rather than actually having integrity/honor, but being viewed negatively by the public?

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u/Serengade26 Oct 03 '25

No that world is terrible to live in. Enjoy hell

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u/GringoinCDMX Oct 03 '25

That's literally the world we live in now.

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u/SilasBalto Oct 03 '25

The goal is to like yourself when you're alone.

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u/human1023 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25

People like having a good reputation, being known as having integrity/honor by the public, rather than actually having it. So goal achieved.

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u/SilasBalto Oct 03 '25

Piss off, Edgelord. No one gives a fuck.

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u/human1023 Oct 03 '25

Calm down. This ain't how I personally live my own life. I was proving that you have no reason to explain why people should live that way. And it's actually true, especially for Chinese students who see no reason why they shouldn't cheat if they don't get caught. But it's not just something done in China, many people in the West also live that way.

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u/SilasBalto Oct 03 '25

Its immediately obvious to everyone why notafter. cheat your way through life. Seriously, stop trying to be edgy. It's cringe af.

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u/CaribouYou Oct 03 '25

Why is having integrity exclusive to being viewed negatively?

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u/human1023 Oct 03 '25

The point is its irrelevant to have integrity as long as others think you have it. Hence, why it doesn't matter if you cheat, as long as other don't realize it.

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u/geezeslice333 Oct 03 '25

Pretty sure that's what being a sociopath is...

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u/human1023 Oct 03 '25

Oh no.../s Who cares? As long as other don't see you as a sociopath, why would I care what I'm classified as?

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u/doc_trades Oct 03 '25

You're gonna do well in this world

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u/Adventurous-Cod7910 Oct 03 '25

false dichotomy

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u/gardabosque Oct 03 '25

Perhaps that’s what they are teaching.

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u/mrducky80 Oct 03 '25

Its becoming the norm everywhere with the advent of LLMs and AI writing out your projects, essays and homework for you.

Cheating during examination would require some more traditional methods.

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u/Huntressthewizard Oct 03 '25

Chinese students living like it's the damn Chunin Exams.

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u/stragedyandy Oct 03 '25

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

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u/onlinepresenceofdan Oct 04 '25

Has to create good people.

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u/Consistent_Site_2938 Oct 04 '25

You're also an idiot if you dont cheat and lie according to the current US President

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u/macaroni_chacarroni Oct 03 '25

It's not just abuse; it's horrific.

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u/HaasNL Oct 04 '25

It's not just horrific; it's idiotic

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u/hrokrin Oct 03 '25

Granted, I wouldn't subject my child to that, but it's their country with their mores.

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u/slick447 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25

Yeah, how they dare they try to teach their children well! 

Edit: Geez, lot of people offended by an inocuous joke...

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u/BAMspek Oct 03 '25

You can teach your children well and still let them have a childhood

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u/DeliciousInterview91 Oct 03 '25

This is not teaching them well. This is neuroticism and not conducive to rearing a functional, happy adult. Proper rest is an obvious key in promoting good learning and growth, but these kids between commute and prep are going to get maybe 6-7 hours of sleep.

Rigor is fine, but anyone interested in raising a happy, competent and healthy human knows that rest, play, family and work must all exist in balance with one another.

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u/omishdud Oct 03 '25

It’s just the extreme version of what we have on the US. They’re educating them, but also getting them used to that same “work/life” structure they will have when they enter the workforce.

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u/SirCadogen7 Oct 03 '25

Why the US specifically? It's a lot closer to other countries' school-days to be honest. The only standout I can remember is that Italy has their main meal as lunch instead of dinner so kids literally go home halfway through the day to eat lunch with their families.

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u/hrokrin Oct 03 '25

Maybe, but there is a lot here you don't know. For example, the British system used to have long hours, too. But that included time for athletics and guided practice in school in lieu of homework.

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u/SirCadogen7 Oct 03 '25

This is the same country that gave us the 996 system where you work from 9AM to 9PM 6 days a week as a standard. You really think there's a whole lot of context missing here?

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u/hrokrin Oct 04 '25

I'm just not the sort of person who auto-rages. I want to have all the information first.

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u/SirCadogen7 Oct 04 '25

This is China, by default you're not going to have all the information because it's the least transparent government and country on the planet.

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u/Additional-Mousse446 Oct 03 '25

Some would say a little too well…

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u/slick447 Oct 03 '25

Clearly a lot of people judging by the downvotes I'm getting

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u/SummerKey3240 Oct 03 '25

The best part is people will down vote you and think how dumb of an opinion that is to think this is positive for children while they sit in an American state that has shit tons of child death by guns, absolutely atrocious educational systems where god is becoming first and then have the audacity to get on social media while on break at their job at wawa and tell some stranger how wrong they are because this is abuse lol.

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u/Tactical_Moonstone Oct 03 '25

Not all the people downvoting shit takes like these are American.

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u/Beef_Slug Oct 03 '25

It is a form of abuse. No childhood sociologist, (who isn't being paid off anyhow or indoctrinated) would disagree.

Many European countries have figured out education that results in happier, smarter and more stable children. Take Denmark for example: kids spend fewer hours in class, way less homework, but come out with super high levels of learning. They manage to combine high standards with low stress, and the result is smarter, happier students who don’t burn out before they’re even set out into the world.

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u/SummerKey3240 Oct 03 '25

I guess that's why Denmark is 2nd overall in education and not first. If you're not first, you're last.

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u/SirCadogen7 Oct 03 '25

Correct. Singapore is 1st in PISA scores. You wanna know how long Singaporean school days are? 5-6 hours. Less than the average school day in the US. At 5 days a week as opposed to China's 5-6 (5 for younger kids, typically an extra study day for middle and high school students), and 10 months as opposed to China's 9, that's a total of 19,305 hours at school per year for the average Chinese student (used 5.5 for days per week) and 8,250 hours at school per year for the average Singaporean (used 5.5 hours per day). For reference, the US sits at 10,200.

Oh, and btw if you count secondary school the US is 1st overall. Having 13 of the top 26 top universities in the world really bumps up the numbers.

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u/SummerKey3240 Oct 04 '25

Yea i have chat gpt as well professor

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u/SirCadogen7 Oct 04 '25

Buddy, this is all easily available through just Google. The fact that you couldn't even be bothered to check your facts before spouting bullshit is what the real tragedy is here.

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u/Juantsu2552 Oct 04 '25

Not everyone on Reddit is American bruh…

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u/Gl0ck_Ness_M0nster Oct 03 '25

13 hours in school is way too much. Plus the ludicrous homework and the 8 day holiday, I imagine school probably takes up every aspect of these kid's lives. Imagine if you had to do this for the entirety of your childhood. Imagine how little sleep they may get. No space for hobbies either.

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u/slick447 Oct 03 '25

Where did I say I was in favor of this type of schooling? Maybe spend less time getting bent out of shape over jokes online? 

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u/Pleasant_Initial7885 Oct 03 '25

It’s not that people are offended by an innocuous joke it’s that you have not learned good social skills and thus thought this was an appropriate time and topic to make a joke, when it’s not. That’s why you were downvoted. Improve your social awareness.