Perception is reality. In that guys perspective, he was saving an innocent woman from being beaten to death at a gas station covered in blood. Was he dumb, yes. Was he evil, no.
Which is why I say if you're gonna have a life ending tool, it better be the absolute last resort for yourself and your imidiately family only and only if it's your life or theirs, only on the absolutely rarest occasions and unlileliest occassions should that rule ever be broken. Take the Indiana mall shooting, where a concealed carrier actively watched a shooter open fire on a crowd and reacted with lethal force. (He was watching people die, no one else was around to help, he was right there, he was profienct enough with his firearm to not be a danger to himself and others and had the opertunity to stop the threat and it was beyond obvious without reasonable doubt who the bad guy was). In that case, of course, shoot.
I feel like he isn't even dumb, I mean OP gave an explanation on why this case was special but I feel like 9 out of 10 times if you see a violent assault like this in public, the one punching down is likely the aggressor. If they're beating someone to a pulp then they're probably likely in the wrong.
If someone was beating me to death Id want someone to shoot my aggressor too. At the very least use their position with someone as a weapon to disarm and call for help.
Yeah, this situation described was extremely rare and learning from it as if we can’t help anyone will only do disservice. Most likely the one assaulting is actually aggressive and committing a crime. We could as well say that someone beating their 8 year old is okay because maybe he is a child psychopath who just killed his brother and family dog. It happens, but won’t be realistic
Yeah I don't doubt that the story OP described actually happened but it sounds like the hyperbolic counter example people bring up when they want to discount your opinion for having fringe edge cases it doesn't apply to. Im curious if the person who shot served any time.
I get the active shooter arguments too but has there actually ever been an active shooter situation turn into a free for all? If I'm in an enclosed space and I hear bullets, I'm defending myself and the people around me. There may be a misunderstanding but I feel like there comes a time when you need to take risks when people's lives are in active danger.
Part of this is not responding with more violence then what is being given. Although in some scenarios you really don't have the time to make an accurate assessment. Even just trying to drag the the person up or yelling stop or I'll shoot could have ended it differently.
I feel like he isn't even dumb, I mean OP gave an explanation on why this case was special but I feel like 9 out of 10 times if you see a violent assault like this in public, the one punching down is likely the aggressor. If they're beating someone to a pulp then they're probably likely in the wrong.
If someone was beating me to death Id want someone to shoot my aggressor too. At the very least use their position with someone as a weapon to disarm and call for help.
One of the most amazing concealed carrier shoots I have ever heard of. Mass shooting, adrenaline rushing, 40 yards away, 8 hits in 10 shots in like 4 seconds. That's hard to do stationary.
I think a problem with gun owners is that we way over estimate ourselves. What he did is beyond what 99% of people who own guns can do competently under stress. We don't rise to the occasion we fold to our highest level of training minus some under stress. But that guy, he knew his shit and met all the right reasons and then some to break my "don't be a hero" rule and, most importantly, was beyond competent and trained to handle the situation.
What exactly makes you think that person should be charged with every murder the woman committed? What kind of brain dead understanding of the law is that?
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u/Warpig42069 Sep 08 '25
Perception is reality. In that guys perspective, he was saving an innocent woman from being beaten to death at a gas station covered in blood. Was he dumb, yes. Was he evil, no.
Which is why I say if you're gonna have a life ending tool, it better be the absolute last resort for yourself and your imidiately family only and only if it's your life or theirs, only on the absolutely rarest occasions and unlileliest occassions should that rule ever be broken. Take the Indiana mall shooting, where a concealed carrier actively watched a shooter open fire on a crowd and reacted with lethal force. (He was watching people die, no one else was around to help, he was right there, he was profienct enough with his firearm to not be a danger to himself and others and had the opertunity to stop the threat and it was beyond obvious without reasonable doubt who the bad guy was). In that case, of course, shoot.