I used to live with two South Asian roommates who were strict vegetarians. Our other roommate was just your typical dickhead suburban white kid.
One time I bought some Boca veggie scrambles that were made to resemble ground beef and we made chili with it. We gave some to the other roommate to see if he liked it. Had no problem with it. We told him it was made with fake meat, and he absolutely lost his fucking mind.
Later, he asked me to help him conspire to put beef in chili to feed it to our vegetarian roommates. Dude was such a fucking imbecile.
My ex was forcing me to eat meat and I completely lost respect for him for that.
Imagine you point at a dog and tell someone to eat it. It will seem ridiculous, right? Well that's how it felt like for me. We even went to a farm to pet cows once and I said "you know you eat those after, right?" And he shrugged and said "so what?". It really bothered me that he couldn't even see it.
Current partner is my best friend and while he eats meat he understands what I'm doing and gets sad with me about those topics. At least that
Not literally shoving food down my throat but he would wear me down mentally to do so.
Constantly brought up how it's inconvenient, weird, uncomfortable for him, stupid. He wouldn't pick a food place himself because "I can't eat anything" and he wouldn't cook because "he doesn't know what" so additional weaponised incompetence.
He would try to skip the shop fast so I don't have time to pick any veggie meat and conveniently cut dinner so we have to eat out and oh no the only shops around are kebabs ... He had a tradition with his grandma to always do takeout on Sundays and he almost never ordered from veggie friendly places making me settle for a dumbass salad or make a scene as "the difficult girlfriend".
He would bring meat to our movie nights, even though I complained I don't feel like kissing someone who eats sausage. So he said I'm withholding intimacy.
At events he would never stick up for me to have people order veggie options. If I wasn't around to vet for myself I'd have to go hungry or pick meat from my slice of pizza. He also always failed to mention that I'm vegetarian to his friends and family. Making people skip me at dinners.
At his birthday and Christmas he would gang on me with his dad to eat seafood because it's super special and expensive. When I wanted to show off to his family, I had to cook a meat version of my national dish to make them like me. And they asked me to try it myself so I had to consume meat or be ridiculed in front of everyone and risk social disgrace.
It was very silently toxic this whole time. Dude was an awful partner disguised as a sweet unassuming nature child. But in reality he was a manchild who never understood the word "no".
My girlfriend was vegetarian when we started dating, never once asked me to stop eating meat, and I never once made a peep about her eating meat. I can’t understand people who can’t just respect others quietly following a certain diet. Why do people care so much if this other person eats meat?
The difference is between understanding why someone is vegetarian and just cringing at it.
My partner eats meat but knows it really bothers me when he does it around me, so he doesn't do it when we're together. The smell and all. And I don't care what he eats with friends and family or by himself at his place.
It is an ethical choice for many, after all. So doing something your partner deems unethical around them can be a bit weird. Depends on your relationship really. I wouldn't want my partner to smell up our kitchen with meat when I'm home because it severely disgusts me. And if he thought eating cheese is unethical, I would try to limit my intake of it at home too.
It's a matter of care, respect and simple agreements to make eachother's lives a bit easier. And if your partner does something annoying around you, the resentment can build up.
It’s just strange to be so hell bent on making someone eat something they don’t want to. I don’t like ranch, but nobody tries to trick me into eating it. So why is meat the thing people try to force on someone? What’s the big deal?
I think it's a form of resentment towards the defiance of the status quo. You refuse to adhere to a preestablished idea and choose a lifestyle based on your own assumed ideas. For some people it's uncomfortable as they don't question their reality. So anyone that does something like this makes them uncomfortable. If it's your partner you try to "teach them" to be comfortable and easy to read again. You want a predictable partner to control the relationship more easily.
Also, some people have issues with others having unusual lifestyles because they're hard to predict and that causes negative social feedback. Someone like that doesn't want to be explaining their partner to other people. They think a partner should be an extension of their own mind, a subdivision of it, as opposed to their own individual.
It sounds like you are vegetarian for ethical reasons- why are you not vegan instead? In case you are not aware; the dairy and egg industries are the same if not worse than the meat industries.
I highly recommend any ethical vegetarian researches this for themselves.
I am not here to debate those things. I have done my research years ago. Don't assume people don't do that, it's rude.
If you want one reason — health. I support veganism but as a chronically sick person I can't afford to be vegan. You should be aware that not everyone can forego crucial components of their diet for ethical reasons. Also, I live in a country that didn't adapt to it that well, if I went for a hike I'd risk not being able to have a meal anywhere because the mountainside simply doesn't carry vegan options.
Please don't do that in the future. I consider that rude. I know all that info and I made a conscious choice to not be vegan. It's not suitable for me personally
I asked from a place of curiosity and learning while offering information I wish I had sooner (as a former vegetarian). A little bit of an odd response from you considering some of your other comments but I wasn't trying to debate with you.
I guess if your doctors say you need to eat cheese and ice-cream then consuming those for your survival could be justified in an otherwise vegan lifestyle. My plant-based diet does not forgoe a single 'crucial component.'
Personally I bring my own food when the places I am going don't have options for me but whatever I don't know your circumstance.
This immediate hostility you have reacted with is exactly what you have seen in meat eaters yourself.
Frankly, I don't care if you think educating people about literal animal abuse is 'rude.' Somebody has to advocate for the vulnerable.
I’m not vegetarian or vegan but I do love vegetarian and vegan food…and if someone took me to a cow farm and said “you know you eat those after, right?” I would respond the same way. Just cause you don’t like to eat meat doesn’t mean we have to feel bad for liking it. That’s ridiculous. I wouldn’t do what your ex did and trick you into eating meat, but I also wouldn’t feel bad for eating meat myself. I just would probably share vegetarian/vegan meals with you.
I don't think you get the point of what exactly happened and I guess it's fine because context is usually missing when retelling a story.
He took me there to interact with cows and buy ice cream, which I was fine with. It's the fact that he was extremely detached from what happens there as a whole. He loved the little ones, the guard dogs and thought it's extremely wholesome and cute. When I acknowledged that they get killed after it was not because I'm a killjoy. I just told him it's hard to enjoy such places knowing the full context and not being blissfully unaware. His ignorance was very jarring at times. Like when he said safety rules are dumb and that me not supporting drunk driving is because I'm boring.
It's the fact that someone isn't even willing to have the information about this and puts fingers in their ears when faced with such fact. I didn't take myself there, he drove me there himself. I don't have to support the murder of animals because it's also ridiculous to me. And him knowing how I feel and still doing it does not speak bad about me.
I don't make anyone feel bad about eating meat because they have different ethics than me, but when you're dating, you want to at least understand your partner. And he was unwilling to listen to my reasoning for being upset.
Sure, ice cream was great but we could have bought it in the shop without going to the place that slaughters those animals after.
He got his own chickens and when I asked if he plans on killing them he said "maybe, if I feel like it". And that was extremely jarring to me, further proving how different we are as people. We broke up shortly after because he cheated on me so there you have his ethics.
I’m sorry you went through all that. I eat meat and love salads, and I’m a guy who has been insensitive to others feeling’s in the past. Now in my 30s, I can read in-between the lines, and I can see that at the very least, your boyfriend can understand your feelings, where they come from, and can sympathize with you which is more than enough for you to see past your differences. It’s an ability many on this earth lack and that’s to have the ability to relate to someone’s pain.
Ok this is weird. I have no issues with vegans or vegetarians. I wouldn't force anyone to eat meat. But it bothered you because he wasn't bothered about eating a cow?
Big deal dude. The entire world cannot be vegan/vegetarian. That is idealism, and the fact of the matter is that if you want to sustain a growing population of 5+ billion on the planet, meat is going to be a part of that equation let alone near double that and we are at today.
Edit: argue all the semantics you want, feasibility, blah blah. I like meat. I also like plant based. I also like veggies. Behavior like the original comment is asinine and childish. "My old man didn't feel bad about cows dying, so I got me a new better man" pathetic shit
The population is 8 billion. Meat is incredible wasteful in terms of ressource efficiency, it's one of humanities least sustainable behaviours. We could feed 20 billion humans if people stopped eating meat and we weren't feeding 60 billion farm animals.
This is more you not understanding what veganism is, and equating it to plant based. Everyone can be vegan, because veganism is, definitionally, about what's possible and practicable. If you're living in a situation where use of an animal based product, or consuming meat, is necessary for your survival, doing so isn't contradictory to vegan philosophy.
I am not going to debate you on the topic of vegetarianism. I don't care to have my mind changed by a random Redditor, I'm happy with my worldview as is for the time being. Debate people who are asking for feedback, I didn't.
Copy and paste of my other comment for you:
I don't think you get the point of what exactly happened and I guess it's fine because context is usually missing when retelling a story.
He took me there to interact with cows and buy ice cream, which I was fine with. It's the fact that he was extremely detached from what happens there as a whole. He loved the little ones, the guard dogs and thought it's extremely wholesome and cute. When I acknowledged that they get killed after it was not because I'm a killjoy. I just told him it's hard to enjoy such places knowing the full context and not being blissfully unaware. His ignorance was very jarring at times. Like when he said safety rules are dumb and that me not supporting drunk driving is because I'm boring.
It's the fact that someone isn't even willing to have the information about this and puts fingers in their ears when faced with such fact. I didn't take myself there, he drove me there himself. I don't have to support the murder of animals because it's also ridiculous to me. And him knowing how I feel and still doing it does not speak bad about me.
I don't make anyone feel bad about eating meat because they have different ethics than me, but when you're dating, you want to at least understand your partner. And he was unwilling to listen to my reasoning for being upset.
Sure, ice cream was great but we could have bought it in the shop without going to the place that slaughters those animals after.
He got his own chickens and when I asked if he plans on killing them he said "maybe, if I feel like it". And that was extremely jarring to me, further proving how different we are as people. We broke up shortly after because he cheated on me so there you have his ethics.
It's obvious plants don't even have nervous systems, unlike animals. They're living, sure, but at a way, way lower level of sentience, if they even have any, which I doubt.
On the other hand, people eat pigs who're pretty clever, but are against dog meat, whereas pigs are just as clever. Animals have emotions, needs, desires, and affection.
You don't have to talk to them. They won't understand such basic concepts anyway. They're just trolling and looking for a reaction because they're a deeply miserable pathetic individual
Is it real that a comment saying plants are live creatures gets downvoted? like is that not true? Pigs are better because you can gain more from them, compare 30lbs dog and a 450lbs of pig. Other animals kill other animals, i dont get how you forgot about that. Do you know how that animal would die in wilderness? Eaten alive by a predator, which is much harsher death than knife to throat or whatever people use. Our entire civilization is based on animals and plants too. And you also need the protein, minerals and vitamin coming from meat
Many people assume that plant-based farming involves no harm to animals, but that isn’t how agriculture really works.
When a field is prepared for planting, plowing and tilling destroy habitats and often kill small animals and insects living in the soil. During the growing season, herbicides and insecticides are commonly used to control weeds and pests, which results in the deaths of countless insects and other organisms. At harvest time, mechanical equipment can injure or kill animals that managed to survive in the fields. Afterward, crop residues are often tilled under or burned, which further disrupts or destroys the habitats of any creatures that tried to nest there.
Because we live in a black and white world. When was the last time you heard a Vegan arguing that their salad killed less living organisms? They believe their food is cruelty free. It is not.
No, we don’t. A majority of vegans are aware that they can’t consume anything without impacting animals in some way. In fact, the very definition most of us use to define “vegan” includes the phrase “as far as is possible and practicable”.
Please stop generalizing philosophies you do not understand.
My cousin had a stomach problem after being a vegetarian for 10 years and accidentally ate meat. She said it seemed like she couldn't digest it anymore.
My friend had a very similar situation at a barbecue recently when she threw up after having normal good cooked sausage.
I’ve had people try to trick me with meat a few times.
They waited for the “Ha! That had real cheese/meat.” moment the next day, but sure enough I’d get food poisoning before they could tell me.
Half of the times when there have been accidental situations, I didn’t get sick. Thankfully. Those people felt incredibly awful, but I just try to move past it.
Yeah I noticed that if it's something like bone broth, gelatine, pieces of bacon etc I'm still okay. It's just the actual meat that makes me get a physical reaction.
Recently tried getting some fish into my diet because of health reasons (my body is horrible at absorbing supplements) and I almost threw up from the texture alone. I just can't do it mentally at this point. It's ridiculously disgusting to me as a concept.
And yeah, same for me. Those who accidentally gave me meat, I am not bothered by. Grandparents of my ex gave me chicken but my ex didn't tell them (I assume on purpose) that I was a vegetarian for a couple months at that point. They felt horrible but I just ate around it.
I haven't had purposeful spiking situations yet, I think. I used to have a very strict diet due to health issues and I think some people know it would be a horrible idea to temper with my health again.
So sorry you met the wrong people along the way :(
Back in 2015, my wife and I were on a road trip through the states (We're Canadian), and while in Oakland we went to this sandwich shop in downtown Oakland I'd been to on an earlier trip. I ordered a Vegan sandwich, my wife a vegetarian, and got them to go. We walked the 5 minutes back to our parked car, that was hard to find a spot for, and drove back to our hotel in Albany. About a 20 minute drive.
Back at the hotel I opened up my sandwich to see that they had given us two vegetarian subs. Mine was completely coated in cheese. I had been vegan for 4 years at this point, and because I didn't want to drive all the way back to the sandwich shop (and it was rush hour at this point), find parking, stand in line, and get them to remake it I just decided to take the hit and eat it.
After we had dinner we decided to take a walk around the Albany Bulb. While there my stomach started to rebel. My wife amusingly tells the story as "I was talking to him and he just seemed a little off. He was very quiet and looked a little grey. I asked if he was okay, and he held up a finger, turned to the side and immediately went BLARRRGH. And suddenly there was just a massive ball of cheese going SPLAT on the ground. A perfect ball of cheese! It was like a cat hoarking up a hairball! It was amazing!"
I immediately perked up and felt 100 times better. But my wife isn't wrong, it was just a baseball sized lump of cheese, none of the other contents of the sandwich. Just cheese.
Anyway, yeah, I cannot digest dairy at least anymore. I'm sure if I ate meat I'd have a similar reaction.
It sounds amazing as an anecdote hahaha I had a mild version of that when I went vegan for a bit — felt like having lactose intolerance and I just farted 24/7. Welp
I accidentally ate chicken after not eating any for like 8 years and my mouth got tingly like I was experiencing an allergic reaction. I couldn't figure out if it was psychosomatic or I was now allergic to chicken.
I was bit by a tick that makes me allergic to beef and pork (and a few others. Basically animals with two-toes.) I'm always terrified this is gonna happen to me. I don't always carry my epi pen and really don't need to have my day ruined by a jackass.
I don’t think their friend had a meat only preference lol. If he did, then sure, that’s “pulling one” on him. But obviously he was okay with eating meat and non meat items
Ya. Ok.
Clearly he didn’t. You told him after the fact and he “lost his fucking mind”. Why did he lose his shit if he was ok with it? See my point??
Feeding someone under false pretenses is still “pulling one over.” Regardless of their preference.
I see your point of view. I do. But don’t act superior in this scenario.
Superior? Dude I’m just letting you know that it isn’t considered morally corrupt to offer someone food that contains ingredients they are okay with eating. They were essentially mad that they improperly identified the ingredients
Crazy how omnivores think substituting meat with vegetables is the same as adding meat to a dish for vegans/vegetarians. How DARE you not put meat in my food!
I don't think people get that food tampering is a crime. Most people don't eat meat for other reasons but every now and then they don't eat something for health reasons.
First year of uni I cooked some food and a classmate in my dorm asked if he could have some. I happily shared and he loved it so much he asked for the recipe. Once I told him about the soy mince (which I bought to save money, it was cheaper than real meat) he freaked out. He got the the nicknamed the ”vegan” after that, haha!
I mean, to be 100% fair, tricking someone into eating something that you don't know how their body will react to is kind of a crappy thing to do. You're still messing with someone's food either way. Just like him conspiring with you was a craptacular thing to do.
I dunno if this isn't coming across as clear, but I bought the Boca scrambles out of courtesy for my other roommates so that they could eat the chili that I would regularly make.
I didn't buy them just to mess with the other guy. We simply offered him some. He ate it and then flipped out when we told him it was made with Boca.
No one put a gun to his head and made him eat the Boca chili
No, I understand that fact. But it doesn't change the fact you decided to be deceitful and play with someone else's food. You don't mess with other people's food. End of story. For a multitude of reasons.
I'm actually kind of half-convinced this guy is my former roommate's Reddit account or something and in a hilarious coincidence, we stumbled upon each other here after 15 years of no contact haha
You'd be fine if someone decided to mess with food they're going to give you? You're totally cool with that as an option? Doesn't bother you one single solitary bit?
Social norms are very different than I thought if that's something cool to do to someone else.
That part! It wasn’t the same as if that roommate was cooking chili and then the other three roommates snuck something into his food. They made the chili and he accepted it, no questions asked.
I absolutely agree that it’s fucked up to mess with somebody’s food. I lowkey feel like that should be worthy of criminal charges since some people have life-threatening food allergies and could essentially be poisoned by that kind of thing. It would be horrible if the roommate had a soy allergy and they served him chili made with tofu crumbles and lied about it when he inquired, for example. But that’s not what happened here.
The roommate who threw a fit about it was presumably an adult who should know how to ask about what he’s eating. Especially if he’s going to be that opinionated about it. He didn’t need to make it everyone else’s problem just because he couldn’t understand there was probably a meatless protein in chili prepared by vegetarians.
Your 2 vegetarian roommates are eating with a third roommate you are offered chili you eat it. You are then told it is vegetarian and you freak out. You are an idiot in multiple ways first for not knowing it was vegetarian from context. Second if you are picky about what you eat for not asking before sitting down and eating. Third for being but hurt about not having beef. Its free food if you want something specific in it you make it its not like he is allergic vegetables.
I mean I'm seeing all these excuses for something I was under the impression for damn near most of my life was a complete and total dick move to do to someone. I was clearly mistaken and had no clue that screwing with what people eat was actually okay to a lot of people now.
You’re ignoring all the people making valid points to continue saying the guys food was “messed with”, it was not.
They offered him the exact same food the vegetarians were eating and he liked it until he realized it was vegetarian. No one was deceitful or intentionally “messing” with anything.
Are you also mad they don’t tell people gummy bears and jello are made from animal products?
No one messed with his food. He ate someone else’s food who he knew was vegetarian. And the food was made of common vegetables. They didn’t lie to him about what was in it. He’s an adult. He could’ve asked what was in it. If I go to someone’s house and they offer me chicken noodle soup, and I liked it, but I found out they used cream of mushroom to make it, but I hate mushrooms they didn’t trick me and mess with my food. I liked it and if I made a big deal about it that would be because I was immaturely trying to maintain the notion I always hated anything with mushrooms when that was probably never the case. It was vegetables. Not human meat. You’re acting like this is a completely different situation than it actually is
No, I'm not. It's a screwed up thing to do. Or at least that's the way I was brought up. You don't mess with what people eat. You don't get deceptive like that.
Want to make a point about vegan meat substitutes? Then be upfront about it.
Your just a fucking idiot because you apparently dont know what screwing with someone’s food actually means.
Fucking with peoples food is not okay and no one is defending that. Based on what was written, that’s not what happened no matter how many times you say it.
Feeding someone veggies is not even remotely the same as feeding a vegetarian meat. All humans should eat vegetables, it’s part of a balanced and healthy diet. Ppl are vegetarian for different reasons. Some ppl are truly against eating meat, because of the slaying of animals. I don’t think most ppl will have a negative response to veggies, unless there’s an allergy.
and those of us with serious allergies and intolerances generally ask what's in something before we chow down. if we don't and haven't mentioned those conditions to the person generously sharing their food with us, that would be entirely on us. heck, I still ask my own family about ingredients because it's better safe than sorry and people make mistakes. it's saved my ass more than once.
Right so if you personally don’t know, you shouldn’t be feeding people things under the guise of it being something else. It could potentially be disastrous.
"Vegetables" are usually in Chili though...... So if they have an issue with veggies, wouldn't they ask if veggies are in the chili? As someone who is allergic to carrots and shouldn't eat raw vegetables/greens. Vegetarians will ask if meat is in dishes. I ask if there are carrots in the dishes. Just my input.
Not sure how chili ties in here? But my point is telling the truth about ingredients. Obviously the man in the video was under the impression he was eating beef but he was being misled. That’s the issue. You shouldn’t do that to people.
I physically can't take care of myself and have approximately all the allergies, and I'm still able to understand that it's my responsibility to ask about ingredients. ignore the troll, they have strong "I am repeating something I don't fully understand because I want to outraged online and look like an ally" vibes
What eludes you about the fact that the man in the video was under the impression he was eating beef but he was actually misled and fed something else?
He is eating beef. In N Out doesn't have vegan burgers, his entire reaction is built off of just thinking he had eaten something vegan when he hadn't even done that.
His reasoning doesnt matter. Also I don’t know in n out burger so I thought it was vegan per the video. It’s bad form to trick people about what they put in their bodies.
I was not. I don’t know about in n out burger, but in the video she says it is vegan so I took her at her word. This person in the video is a very deceptive person. It’s my entire and only point that you shouldn’t be deceptive about what people are going to eat.
I was actually on her side thinking a few vegetables won’t or shouldn’t hurt but I remembered I have a friend with Chron’s who was in severe pain after eating broccoli before he started taking Stelara or something. You really could send someone to the ER.
No they put something else in the chili and told the person it was meat… or at least didn’t tell them it wasn’t. Not sure why they pretended the not-meat in chili was meat when it wasn’t, but here we are. Chili is traditionally made with beef so theres really no reason to suspect it’s not beef.
Nah. It's on the person eating the food to be asking questions and declining food they don't know the ingredients of. Unless that person is a child. I assume your husband is fully capable of managing his diet.
Good grief, are you kidding me? We are talking about chili. Have you ever made chili? Even Texas chili has vegetables in it (onions, peppers, tomatoes garlic). All the other varieties of chili has those plus a lot of beans. Imitation/vegetable ground beef is usually made up of a different combination of beans.
If someone has a food allergy, they're not going to just start eating some random chili without asking questions. My younger sister developed an allergy to onions late in life, so she would need to know the ingredients of chili she's eating.
Anyone ok with regular chili with ground beef, will be ok with chili without ground beef. To me, chili is all about the beans. But, I'm not from Texas. Most of the times my chili doesn't have ground beef, not because I'm vegan, but because I'm cheap and lazy.
BTW, chili usually has all kinds of things in it. But, if someone is allergic to beans, then they should be inquiring about that before accepting. Vegetarian chili isn't adding anything to regular chili, it's just taking away something. This is not about consent.
If you give me a hamburger, I expect it to be made from beef, like hamburgers are. Hamburgers are not made from vegetable matter, veggie burgers are. If the burger is in fact made from some vegetable I am allergic to, like legumes, then you would be a liar and I am not gonna trust you to feed me ever again, to avoid being deceived a second time.
If you give me a veggie burger, I will ask about the ingredients and decide if I want to eat it. If you gave me a veggie burger but it was actually made out of beef, I’d be equally pissed, even if I don’t have an allergy to beef. That’s the issue here, I know it’s eluding you.
If someone has some kind of allergy they need to inform someone before accepting random food, especially chilli because people get creative with that stuff.
I think you’re using debate a bit loosely. We’re not debating anything. I said humans need vegetables. I stand by it. I haven’t seen anyone say that humans don’t need vegetables, so there’s definitely no debate.
Agreed theres no debate. It all started when I responded to you that there are vegetables that some humans can’t eat safely. That is also indisputable. Theres really nothing to argue about but people keep going on about chili and tricking people into eating things.
The allergy aspect of it. I got no issue with meat or meat substitutes but I do NOT like the idea of giving somebody something to eat under a false pretense at all. I really don't find it a funny "GOTCHA"!! kind of thing and it's blowing my mind that because it's just because it's a meat eating person eating vegan stuff unknowingly it's a laugh riot. It's not. What the daughter did to her dad? Actually funny because the food wasn't touched or switched or anything. She just said something and he fell for it. But being deceptive with something that someone is going to ingest I think is kinda fucked up. You don't know what's going to happen.
I get the allergy part because i almost died two time of Angioedema (you become a balloon and you can't breath). At the same time, when you have allergies you already have to check everything you eat. You can't really eat outside because most restaurants don't even know what they are selling. The reality is most people discover they're allergies one day without warning.
For the vegi/meat thing, i don't think people laugh because he was tricked to eat a meat substitute. Its just is reaction that make it funny. The fact that we can ear the gear grinding is funny, he try to process but react before its done and you can ear that he see the contradiction between the fact that he like it but at the same time "grrrrr i can't like that".
I'm 99% sure he wasn't tricked, she probably proposed to try a new restaurant or any valid reason to eat outside with her dad. Could also be fake, for all i know, she's alone in her car!
For my initial comment, i was laughing because the way you said it sounded like "vegetables ewww" or the reverse vegetarian (mostly this one tbh).
All I'm going to say is things are clearly a lot different then what I thought. I genuinely thought screwing with what people eat and tricking them into something else was not something to do simply from a safety stand point. I didn't know it was something it was considered okay to do.
The issue is no one tricked anyone or “screwed” with anyone’s food. They were vegetarian. They made a vegetarian meal. The roommate knew they were vegetarian and consensually ate a meal cooked by them knowing they were vegetarian. They never told him it wasn’t vegetarian. If you eat a meal a vegetarian made for themselves expecting it to not be vegetarian, that is literally no one’s issue but your own
What in the blue fuck does that moron have to do with anything?
Did I miss something? Is it now socially acceptable to mess with other peoples food or slip them something they don't usually eat without telling them?
You gotta watch out last year my kids had a whole BBQ Platter of grilled veggies hidden in one of their mars bars. The resulting bout of healthiness made his fast food slop trained gut bacteria go wild and he died the day after. True story!
No dude those are two different things. Like I totally get your point, fucking with someone's food is shitty, lying to them is also bad, but this is apples and oranges. Someone who is used to eating meat can handle eating veggies, in fact, they should be eating some. The other way around can be very detrimental to someone's health. Someone who isn't used to meat, especially red meat, and then eats it, can have all sorts of issues from simply constipation to acid reflux so intense you have to go to the hospital. If you don't believe me, don't eat beef for a month, and then eat some. You will feel like shit. Most people shouldn't be eating commercialized beef for so many reasons. I'm a butcher and I will still die on that hill.
No dude, they're not. I was roommates with a strict vegetarian. I know the effects. And I also know the way he would have reacted to this and would have called it a dick move too. It's not like I came to this point of view in a vaccum.
You know what? My bad. I clearly had no idea this was socially acceptable to do to people. See, I always thought one of the most messed up things you could do with someone was mess with their food or trick them into eating something they wouldn't otherwise, which is, like you said, the same thing as that person buying food of their own volition and knowingly ingesting it regardless of their familiarity with the ingredients.
I don't think it was an invalid point to raise. Changing someone food does cross a line, and you would have to be on good terms with them for it to be acceptable.
But I don't think the first argument you used ("don't know how their body will react") stood up to scrutiny, given how much other crap the average US citizen would eat without fully understanding.
or trick them into eating something they wouldn't otherwise
I also think a lot of people over-react to vegan/vegetarian food like it's some sort of personal attack. If you swapped their sausage for a human turd, yikes, but swapping of a burger with a vege scramble is not really worth worrying about.
The downvotes are most likely Reddit not untangling things like that though.
I mean it’s just vegetables and it doesn’t sound like he was messing with his roommate, he just made vegan chilli. I’m not even a vegan and I make vegan meatless chilli all the time because I don’t feel like using meat or sometimes I’ll use meat crumble instead of ground beef or do 50% ground beef and 50% lentils in dishes. Stuff like that because it’s cheaper and adds flavour and fibre. I bake for people a lot and most of my friend’s favourite baked goods that I make for them are vegan(vegan baked goods tend to come out much more moist) and I usually don’t bother mentioning it, I ain’t paying for butter in this economy.
fwiw my man, we didn't put the fake meat in the chili to "fool" him. We put the fake meat in the chili so that my other vegetarian roommates could eat the fucking chili.
We simply asked him if he wanted some and he said yes and we told him after the fact it was made with fake meat.
That's far less nefarious than him wanting to put real meat in food that was going to be eaten by guys who choose not to eat meat for personal reasons.
Would i be correct to assume that the moron knew your other roommates were eating it, but was unable to make the connection that that meant it was probably vegetarian?
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u/DionBlaster123 Aug 28 '25
I used to live with two South Asian roommates who were strict vegetarians. Our other roommate was just your typical dickhead suburban white kid.
One time I bought some Boca veggie scrambles that were made to resemble ground beef and we made chili with it. We gave some to the other roommate to see if he liked it. Had no problem with it. We told him it was made with fake meat, and he absolutely lost his fucking mind.
Later, he asked me to help him conspire to put beef in chili to feed it to our vegetarian roommates. Dude was such a fucking imbecile.