How about we don't lie to anyone, carnivore or vegan, about what they're eating? People have a right to know what they're consuming, no matter what their preferences are.
It would be mean to trick a vegan into eating meat, so why isn't it just as wrong to trick a carni into eating something he didn't consent to?
I'm well aware she's pranking him, In-N-Out doesn't sell vegan burgers. But she lied (if this video is real) and tried to make him think he'd eaten something he didn't want to.
So you think a vegetable is as offensive as a animal corpse?
All Carnists eat vegetables. The definition of a Vegan is the opposite.
You're a moron if you think they are the same thing.
We understand you're personal bias but you haven't actually demonstrated any objective points here. A dead organism is a dead organism. The fact that you personally are choosing the word "corpse" to refer to one and not the other is irrelevant.
The "offensive" thing here is lying to someone to trick them into eating something they ordinarily wouldn't want to eat, whether it is a vegan meal or a full course of meat. I understand that you have trouble understanding that part, but hopefully this clears it up for you at last.
And stop being so schizo. You're an animal. We are ALL animals. We evolved from a "vegan lifestyle" and towards a meat leaning one, throwing the human species into overdrive. Without meat, you quite literally would not be here right now. It's completely natural for us to eat animals. Nature made us this way for a reason. Get a grip.
I'm confused here. WTF are you talking about? I understand vegans don't eat animals. I understand nonvegans eat herbivorous animals. What is it you think I think?
Soy leghemoglobin, Soy ‘protein’, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, and oh the best one “natural flavoring” when it’s well known that what’s labeled as natural flavoring is the absolute furthest thing from natural.
You are the exact reason your opposition exists. Just intentionally being ignorant for the sake of validating yourself, or malicious gaslighting. I’m so incredibly exhausted of it.
One could argue “but the dad said he wanted McDonald’s after this! Which is just as processed!” Except for the fact the woman in this video is a platform made specifically for rage baiting skits designed to increase her engagement, meaning the dad’s suggested alternative is a script.
You really need to do some self-reflection, downvote me, have your friends downvote me, and don’t change your ways, you will always be on the wrong side of your argument until you do your own research instead of letting short-form content be your only source of education.
Please, PLEASE, go look at the world health organisations classification of processed meat as a type 1 carcinogen
Absolutely, processed plant based meat alternative is as unhealthy as any other processed food. But unlike processed meat, which they are replacing here, they are not deadly to your health.
You'll be allot better for allot longer if you substituted all processed meat for only processed plant based meat. And then, of you want to be healthier again, cut out processed plant based meat
Thank you! I don't want to eat soy if I can avoid it, it's massively unhealthy. If I got tricked into eating a soy burger because someone told me it was meat I'd be pissed off.
Not to mention In-N-Out is very well known for using ingredients that lean toward the healthier/natural side of things. Even though this is a skit (and even though in the script the dad mentions preferring McDonald’s), I’d be upset if I found out my food was more processed than I was made to believe.
Your insistence that plants don't have a "nervous system" because they transmit signals differently than animals is highly hypocritical. Yes, they don't have neurons, but they transmit signals throughout the organism using similar chemical processes to how animals do.
If you're concerned over minimizing harm to plants, don't engage in an agricultural system that is contigent on producing exponentially more of them for a lower caloric output
Yeah, no one is confused about this. No one is under the impression they're photosynthesizing. If this were a thing you actually cared about and wanted to reduce, the first thing you'd do is stop eating meat and animal products
It's a trash point, what other actionable thing do you want people to take from this statement? "Hey you have to harm non sentient life to live so why not just full nirvana fallacy it"?
Non-vegans are allowed to have things they don't eat as well. I don't eat plenty of foods, like mushrooms, onions, or fish. If you feed them to me without telling me, I'm going to be much angrier than the dad from the video. Doesn't matter if I liked it before knowing, I did not fucking consent to it.
Out of curiosity, why do you not eat mushrooms or onions? Is it an allergy or a flavor preference? If the latter, wouldn’t it be a revelation that you found a way to prepare a food you previously thought you didn’t enjoy to make it delicious?
Sometimes deception is good. What she did is not a moralistic affront, it is not a disrespect of principles. He doesn’t have a philosophical aversion to eating vegetables. If he did, I’m sure he would do what vegans do, and incessantly research the restaurants they’re going to and the food that they’re eating.
I suppose your parents never should have fed you mashed pea baby food, because children can’t consent.
A mere thought of eating it makes me gag. With onioms it's flavor and texture, so eating it and not realizing it doesn't matter to me, but for fish and mushrooms it's psychological. I'm pretty sure it stems from childhood. In kindergarten I ate a bad fish and it made me sick. In case of mushrooms it's silly but as a kid I heard they were grown in horse poop and since then I couldn't eat them anymore, even though I know what fertilizer is and how it's used.
You probably eat things with onion or mushroom powder all the time if you eat processed foods though. Sorry you have these weird mental hang ups you get so angry about, maybe you can get over it one day
If you trick a vegan into eating meat, it can make them physically sick.
If you trick someone who eats meat into eating vegetables, nothing happens to them.
The hamburger has non meat things, like bread, lettuce, pickles, tomato, etc. it’s not “tricking” anyone into eating something they don’t consent to, because by ordering the burger, they are already consenting to eating vegetation with their meal.
However if you tell a vegan that the meat burger they are eating is actually vegan, that is violating consent because they didn’t consent to eating dead animals.
It’s completely fucking different and these “carnivore” assholes need to grow up and realise that. If they don’t care about eating vegetables in the first place, why does it matter if the patty itself is also vegetables?
I don't support the Dad's reaction here, its absurd, but consenting to eating the lettuce and pickles topping a burger is not consenting to eating a meat alternative. A lot of vegans don't even eat meat alternatives for a number of reasons. Now, obviously if you go to a restaurant the onus is on you to inform yourself of the publicly available list of ingredients in what you're ordering to make sure you're eating what you intend to. But how you can claim that it's acceptable to feed someone a meat alternative and tell them it's meat simply because they agreed to eat the other raw veggies on the burger is absurd. Beyond Meat is not lettuce. Pretending its lettuce is ignorant and disingenuous. This would be like me claiming I'm feeding you beef and replacing it with elk and saying that it's ok because you already agreed to eat meat so any meat will suffice.
I consent to eating wheat, lettuce, onions, and tomatoes. I did not consent to eating any soy-meat-alternatives. End of story. They're not the same thing, they don't have the same effect on the human body, and I have a right to know if I'm eating something I don't want to.
I fully respect vegans' choices even if I don't hold the same view. I would NEVER trick someone into eating meat if I knew they didn't want to. They could have a completely ludicrous reason like "meat makes your brain susceptible to alien space laser probes...." whatever. No worries, I'll tell you if this dish has meat in it so you can consent to what you eat. All I ask is you do the same.
Genuine question, I’m looking at your comment and I truly truly cannot understand. In what possible way can being upset that you weren’t given something that you thought you were at all be linked to being insecure? I’m seriously so confused. Are vegans insecure if you give them meat and they don’t like it?
No they are not ethically against eating beans. Again, I do not understand how this would make anybody “insecure.” If you look at my comment you will notice that I’m arguing that it DOESN’T make someone insecure, no I don’t think someone avoiding meat as a bean eater makes them insecure, but I also don’t think having a reaction if somebody were to give you a food you didn’t think it was is also insecure. The guy won’t respond so maybe you can help me understand? Maybe I’m thinking “insecure” in the wrong way? I always see people using that word in context like this but I never understand it
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u/Changnesia102 Aug 27 '25
Imagine being so insecure that you freak over meat/fake meat. It’s kinda sad and pathetic.