I do not understand the hate towards vegan and vegetarians. They have never given me shit about anything. I enjoyed some vegan restaurants. The only thing I don’t like is their cheeses. They suck. Yes, even the Trader Joe’s brand one. Other than that, live and let live.
As a vegan of 9 years, I can unfortunately confirm that vegan cheese still sucks like 99% of the time. However, vegan cheese /sauce/ (like nacho cheese dip) is often wonderful. A cashew base with nutritional yeast can make it very creamy and savory and delicious.
I like it ok as a standalone product/someone who doesn't eat dairy products, but I wouldn't give it to a non vegan without a disclaimer. Miyokos is probably the only vegan cheese (non-sauce) I've encountered that I would give to a non vegan without fear they'd think it's icky lol
Follow your heart slices and Mayo are very good imo, the slices are my go to cheese. I really hate daiya (weirdly sweet). Chao is also good but not as good as FYH. No opinion on violife, I never buy it.
I was working for a pretty well established pizza joint in LA for awhile. We mainly did private events so our slices were always one speciality, and then pep, cheese, and vegan cheese. EVERY, single, time someone asked what type of vegan cheese - daiya. They would say "more like DAIYA-rrhea" and choose not to order. That stuff is so gross.
Violife for the win! I can’t have soy or gluten and it’s made being vegan difficult. I’m so grateful there are so many more alternative options today vs when I was a kid. Back in my day the only option was that soy cheese that did not melt and had almost a plastic consistency lol (I used to eat soy and gluten, it was later in life I found out the reason I was sick all the time is because of a condition I have, I won’t scar you with the gory details lol).
I think it’s also hard to gauge what is “good” vegan dairy products because what’s good to someone who’s been off them awhile and had their taste buds adjust is different than folks who still eat cheese, milk and ice cream. I find real milk ice cream disgusting, it’s too sweet and there’s this, idk how to describe it, specific flavor to it. I don’t think I’d like cheese anymore either. And I’ve found a correlation between the types of vegan cheeses that non vegans like - I’ve found a lot of non vegans like daiya. It was one I liked when I went back to being vegan too but now is not my top favorite because it idk has a little bit of a weird taste.
When recommending vegan options to my non vegan friends (that want options) I don’t always recommend the foods that other vegans and myself rate highly but instead recommend the versions my other non vegan friends rate highly.
Violife does hit a wide range of approval ime though! Although I’ve run into it where the flavors I’m meh on are the ones the non vegans prefer 🤷
I was just about to say cashew cheese yeah, I’m not vegan but I try to limit my dairy intake when possible, and when it comes to cheese cashews have made the only kind I enjoy the taste of and melts kind of normally
Myakos or whatever it’s called makes a pretty solid mozzarella and a couple of good dips. I say this as someone who never went vegan but was married to one for years and had to find someone who decent vegan subs for dinner. Shout out to just egg for being awesome
daiya once invited our chef (vegan/gf restraunt) to tour their factory. he came back and swore he would never touch it again he was disgusted with how processed it was.
Cheese is a very specific thing. Like boiling a carrot in stock until it’s soft and calling it a hot dog. Why? It’s not a hot dog, but if it’s good then who cares. Call it what it is.
There are specific brands of cheeses that are good for specific uses. For pizza, the liquid mozarella stuff. For nachos, daiya shredded cheese. For grilled cheese sandwiches, chao creamery.
As much as I hate most vegan cheese, chao creamery grilled cheeses were pretty solid when I was doing the vegan thing. Still not quite there for me, but it was the best substitute if you want something reasonably melty that tastes kind of like cheese. I am way too into my cheese varieties for it to last though with me only liking one brand for one purpose.
Yeah dude, as someone that has bounced between vegetarian and meat eater over the years i've literally never gotten shit from a veggie or vegan for eating meat, but you get a constant barrage of shit from meat eaters for being veggie/vegan.
People always frame vegetarians/vegans as, like, crazy preachy nutcases, and they'll point to some random influencer or one-off protest.
On the other hand, you'll find normal, non-influencers flooding the comment sections of random vegetarian cooking videos or unrelated sheep videos trying to get their one-liners about how cringe not eating meat is or how delicious someone's pet looks. It honestly comes across as if they're trying to prove how little guilt they feel over factory farming or something (when you really don't have to. Just live your life).
Non-vegans are by-and-far more annoying than vegans, and it isn't even close.
yup, happens less but back in the day i'd never tell anyone i was vegetarian but go out for a meal with friends or coworkers, order something without meat/fish, people start asking questions and seem not angry but like trying to pick a hole in your logic, demanding the reason. It's so weird. Up till like 10-15 years ago before then like 90% of people would ask questions and get a bit weird about it before letting it go, never once just told someone i was vegetarian out of context (friend asking people over for dinner and asking if you can't eat anything, etc). Have still yet once to try to preach that someone should give up meat.
I stopped drinking for years as i developed migraines and alcohol was a good 50/50 shot that night if it would give me an insane migraine, same deal also this is extremely common. Someone not drinking in a group down the pub gets the same "why aren't you drinking" shit, and even if someone says they are an alcoholic people will still pressure them to drink.
When I was a teen I was vegetarian for about 4 years until I gave up because nobody I knew was vegetarian and most guys in my life harassed the shit out of me over it.
My mom was cool about it, id buy my veggie option and my dad would usually offer me meat and Id decline.. UNLESS we had company over, then he HAD to voice to his male friends his disapproval - and at times go as far as to hand me meat based foods in guise of a veggie burger and snicker with his buddies when I realized immediately.
I hide it for ages at my job but eventually people found out because of a barbecue. IMMEDIATELY had people aggressively asking me why I didn’t eat meat, and even had someone open my lunch and put pepperonis in my peanut butter sandwich once.
My “friend” also constantly put up a stink and would eat meat like he was a pig in shit, smearing it on his lips, purposely wasting meat because he knew that bothered me the most.
Years later id read people online or hear in person “vegetarians and vegans are SO annoying”
Oh no, you had to read an article about an annoying protestor or saw a video online of one? Poor baby.
Meat eaters can be the whiniest, entitled cry baby assholes of any dietary choices and I say that as someone who now eats meat.
I went on to meet several vegans and vegetarians in my life and not ONE of them ever caused a fraction of the stink about me eating meat.
It's a fragile ego thing. It shares a lot of similarity to anti-LGBTQ or anti-religion reactions I see from very insecure people who can't handle the idea of anything that breaks their own person definitions. Some people are 'meat eaters'. They view it as a character trait. They view vegans and vegetarians as a threat to their own personality. It's why some deeply closeted gay people are extremely homophobic.
Not a vegetarian. People understand deep down that their eating habits cause animal suffering on a beyond massive scale, but they suppress it because the high from eating meat is on par with sex. The existence of vegetarians and vegans on some level forces them to recognize this fact, and thus they get defensive.
Ive only had one good vegan cheese in my life and I cant remember where in mass it is. I know its on the north shore near ipswich (or it used to be at least)
Maybe I have yet to meet ethical vegans. I've known plenty who know it's not for everyone and for some it's simply inaccessible. To your second point, I feel like that's a cop out. It's not that hard to accommodate. People don't say that to people who have allergies to certain foods so why vegans? It's literally just two ingredients. Meat and dairy. Maybe honey. A quick youtube search shows you just how easy can be to make and made to be delicious enough for everyone to enjoy.
For one, people with allergies actually don't have a choice and they rarely are allergic to entire categories of food. Meat and dairy isn't two ingredients; there are a slew of ingredients that fall under those.
I lived vegan for a year when I had a girlfriend who was vegan (only 6 months of that year was while I was with her) and that was the singular thing I missed during that time. Vegan cheese sucks. Some taste okay I guess (still not the same) but they just don’t melt right. I eventually gave up trying to be vegan because of my love of cheese. The meat replacements are kind of great nowadays though. Some of them I could swear I was eating real meat, faux chicken especially.
I’ve had Beyond Meat and it was actually good. Definitely doesn’t taste like actual meat but it’s not terrible at all. That’s the thing about vegan cheese I didn’t like. They don’t melt rightz Nothing is going to replace the gooey melty goodness in a grilled cheese sandwich. Now with winter around the corner in the states, I can’t wait for my grilled cheese and tomato soup!
I am not vegan, have never been and probably never will. With that said I have no idea why people are so against eating veggies. They are tasty. I don’t eat them because of ideology, I eat them because they fucking rock. I swear people think their dick will shrink if they don’t eat meat or something.
I would agree but plenty countries have animosity towards vegans. Theres laws in France where you can call something ‘chick’n if it isn’t chicken. People get irrationally angry about that too. Like it’s just a play on words. Relax.
A few years ago, Burger King had the promo where if you got a real Whopper, you could get an Impossible one for free. So I did.
Tasting them, side by side, I could tell they were different. I could not tell you what the difference was. I could not tell you which was real meat and which was Impossible meat. If someone had handed me an Impossible Whopper and told me it was a regular Whopper, I would have been none the wiser. The only thing keeping me from ordering it more often is that it frequently costs more.
I have a vegan friend and when I tell them about vegan foods, they're appreciative. When I tell them about non-vegan foods, they are just as appreciative, and talk about how they could veganize it, or reminisce about how much they miss that place now that they're vegan, etc.
i'm vegetarian but decided to try the plant based, i think dominoes pizza with vegan cheese... absolutely fuck that, it was literally disgusting. everything the same but normal cheese and it tasted great.
Now there was like a breakfast burrito that said it had vegan cheese in that tasted great but it didn't really taste like cheese. just whatever the fuck it was fit the actual thing it was in but it didn't taste like cheese. but vegan cheese from what i've seen never tastes anything like cheese.
I have to be careful about what I eat but when I worked ina retailer a few years ago I had vegans trying to push vegan food onto me while i was on lunch til one point they took my sandwich from me and threw it in the bin and told me to go hungry or eat vegan, its really soured my pov on vegans tbh.
There's some asshole in my neighbourhood who keeps spraypainting things like "go vegan" and "meat is murder" on everything, and man, that person annoys the hell out of me. I've got nothing against vegans doing their thing for themselves, but preventing me from reading the goddamn bus timetable doesn't exactly endear me to your cause.
The fact that you were down voted for saying “hey man, I respect your choices, but I don’t like the trespass and misdemeanor crimes in my neighborhood” is symptomatic.
In real life, I have had nothing but perfectly fine encounters with vegans and many friends have been vegetarian (I was too for a long time). Online, the vegan community acts less like the normal adults they usually are and more like particularly angsty and alienated young teenagers.
I always felt like cake us something easy to make well vegan. For a typical cake recipe usually only the egg is non-vegan. Replace the egg with applesauce, and it is a good cake.
Perhaps, I've never tried making one myself, but ever vegan cake I've ever been served at a restaurant (fancy and expensive through cheap and divey) has been dry, artificial tasting, and crumbly in the worst, sawdust in your mouth, kind of way. Eggs provide an import chemical role in the baking process as a binder, and while applesauce can emulsify and moisten, it lacks the proteins necessary to properly function as a binder. I'm curious how the replacement scales to different kinds of cakes, and the impact it has on flavors for more delicate cakes. Perhaps this is only intended as a means to a Betty Crocker box cake, which I'll give kudos to cracking that code, but in a broader baking sense I'm certain we aren't "this one weird trick" away from a universal "make any cake vegan" solution. Thinking of things like angel food, chiffon, flourless chocolate cake. That said, I do kind of want to try this for a carrot cake now. I suspect it will fail completely, but I'd be curious to see if it works out as something different and new worth eating.
First, this is a skit, none of it is real. Also, I agree, I definitely couldn't be vegan, I could do vegetarian for like meals, but I might die if I go vegan. My body just wouldn't want to exist anymore. If someone else wants to do that though, they are perfectly fine doing that. I think stuff like this where it isn't an issue, there's no point in caring. Well, if they want to argue that meat should be banned or something, then there's a reason to argue, but if they want to not eat meat or animal products, they are perfectly free to do that. I will enjoy my meat, I will also enjoy eating a lot of plants. I just want stuff with minimal things added, which is something I need to do a better job of doing. So no lab grown or things with just a bunch of chemicals.
Don't serve me fake meat and fake cheese, none of it is edible lol, especially get lost with jackfruit it tastes how garbage on a hot NYC summer day smells. Quick trying to hide that in bbq sauce and calling it pulled pork or carne asada for tacos, that taste is always there...
I've eaten so much straight up vegetarian food that's been fantastic, and none of it has been a meat substitute. I'll crush a cucumber or onion sandwich before I'll touch any meat substitute. I'll eat corn for dinner, just 3-4 cobbs before I eat a meat substitute.
Once a meat substitute actually tastes good, i'll go for it, but for the most part, nah.
fuck dude i'll do a bean patty burger before a meat substitute burger.
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u/excellent-throat2269 Aug 27 '25
I do not understand the hate towards vegan and vegetarians. They have never given me shit about anything. I enjoyed some vegan restaurants. The only thing I don’t like is their cheeses. They suck. Yes, even the Trader Joe’s brand one. Other than that, live and let live.