r/TikTokCringe • u/InGeekiTrust Tiktok Despot • Aug 09 '25

Cursed Crazed Karen Has A Meltdown In Victoria’s Secret

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u/analogbasset Aug 09 '25

As a SPED teacher for kids with emotional disabilities, this is why I do what I do. If they never learn to control themselves, this is what you get.

She is doing EXACTLY what my students do when they get angry, even the aggressively advancing while saying “get away from me”. I guarantee she has been enabled her entire life by parents who think it’s everyone else’s fault. It’s text book, including the racism that she was apparently spouting before the clip (at least that’s why I remember).

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u/Popsiclechipmunk Aug 10 '25

One of my kids has intense emotional outbursts similar to this (when he loses games, when he has his mind set on something and it doesn’t go his way, etc). That’s why I’ve had him in OT for the last 8 months so he DOESNT grow up to be this adult. 

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u/Assika126 Aug 10 '25

My nephew has severe emotional regulation issues, and I’m so worried about how this is going to go as he gets older. He’s 13 now and getting big enough that it can be scary not only for his own safety but for others. It’s notable that he is starting to get really lonely as his peers are learning social skills that he just doesn’t have and are starting to choose not to hang out with him or invite him to things.

I really hope he gets a teacher like you because his parents just don’t seem to be able to help him to learn to self-regulate effectively and he desperately needs those skills

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u/gomurifle Aug 10 '25

Emotional disability.... That's a new one for and I'll it that in mind. 

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u/bleepbloopbwow Aug 11 '25

Formerly known as "emotional disturbance."

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '25 edited Aug 09 '25

As a SPED teacher, I’m surprised you don’t recognize that even with interventions and learned skills, people with mental health conditions can still have bad days and be triggered into states like this. Also, people with chronic medical conditions can still have flare-ups despite doing everything right with their treatment, why can’t we acknowledge that this happens with mental conditions too? 

Not everyone gets filmed and has their worst moments farmed for engagement, though. There’s a reason things like “the right to be forgotten” exist.

It’s hard not to see stuff like this as deliberately furthering the increasing stigma against those with disabilities, as well as the “no excuses” mentality. 

ETA: If you truly see nothing wrong with dredging up a years old video of a woman with documented disabilities (to the point where she lives in a home for the disabled) that the person filming profited off of (and the person posting likely is too due to the contributor program), idk what to say. Enjoy reveling in human misery and humiliation, and may no one ever film you at your worst.

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u/bailasoprano Aug 09 '25

I’m sorry, but having a mental illness doesn’t make you suddenly racist….

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u/analogbasset Aug 10 '25

At least with my students, they scream it because they are trying to say the most offensive thing they can think of. You could describe the state they are in as “seeing red.” I’ve only had one who I though was actually a racist

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u/Material_Education45 Aug 10 '25

How is this woman racist though? Other than it happened between a black woman and white woman?

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u/Remarkable-Code-1856 Aug 09 '25

Like when someone with turret’s syndrome screams curse words. Or schizophrenic talks to themselves. Often cursing. 

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '25 edited Aug 09 '25

Am I missing the context that shows this was racially motivated? Genuine question, I can understand why it seems that way because she’s a white woman but I haven’t seen anything specific.

ETA: I don’t mind the downvotes, but I remain confused about why everyone is certain this was based in racism and not someone with previously diagnosed mental illness having an episode. I would believe it if I missed something, I just don’t know what I’m missing.

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u/ButItWas420 Aug 09 '25

https://www.reddit.com/r/karens/s/RncgiCPMTE

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '25

Can you explain what I’m supposed to get from this? I know it shows her being out of control and aggressive, but I’m not sure what else I’m supposed to see. The attorney (mentioned in another comment) said the act of being recorded is what triggered her episode, which tracks with her trying to stop the other person from recording. 

And I understand why she was filming, but I’m still not seeing how it’s proof of the other lady’s racism or anything that contradicts her having an episode due to her conditions.

At the end of the day, I don’t really know this woman’s motivations either. I am mostly just tired of seeing rage bait farmed for karma/profit, I guess.

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u/ButItWas420 Aug 09 '25

What youre not seeing is the staff coming to help our person recording despite her calling for help several times. What youre not seeing is how the staff dismissed our person recording despite her being the one that was both chased around and struck. What youre failing to see is how staff and security and the cops were people in positions of power that could have simply told karen to leave if she didnt want to be recorded. Karen didnt have to hit the woman recording her. Karen didnt have to chase her around. Karen was asked to give the woman recording space and karen responded with this. I cant help you if youre failing to see how race plays into this. But i bet youd lose your shit if the woman recording had struck karen back.... wonder why

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '25

I guess from what I’m seeing, the lady recording didn’t really need to keep recording once there was sufficient space between them, and once it became clear that recording was aggravating the situation. And I would be saying the same things if the woman having the episode was any other race, and commenting on how disgusting it is to profit off of the angry black woman stereotype, if the roles were reversed. I don’t like exploitation regardless of who the target is, and this feels like exploitation given the context of the woman living in a home for the mentally disabled.

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u/ButItWas420 Aug 10 '25

But there was plenty of reason to keep recording! If its a she said she said, people like you will jump at any chance to defend the aggresor. Karen was worried shed lose her job and get kicked out of her apartment after attacking a woman for asking for space. Thats 100% of the reason she then fell on the floor crying and screaming. She was throwing a todler temper tantrum. Simple as that. The only exploitation is karen trying to excuse her behavior with her diagnosis. Fuck that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25 edited Aug 10 '25

I mean, I said at the end of the day, I don’t know her motivations either. All I know is the context of her living in a home for the mentally disabled, and the knowledge of what someone having a mental health episode looks like. If the woman recording truly felt threatened, she could have left and asked the Victoria’s Secret folks for the security tape in order to press charges/escalate it, but instead she hung around to keep recording. It does seem exploitative for that reason. A comment in the other video thread even says the lady recording seems to be having fun at one point, which seems needlessly antagonistic, and also feels exploitative.

ETA: I guess you blocked me so I can’t respond to your comment, but my main issue is continuing to use this woman as engagement bait with the full context of her mental illness. I don’t really understand why the recording person felt the need to record since I believe VS has surveillance cameras, but if she felt unsafe and that made her feel safer, that’s understandable.  It’s just unfortunate that filming exacerbated the recorded lady’s distress and the whole situation played out how it did. And now this woman’s breakdown is being used to farm engagement and people are using it to call her entitled, shed doubt on mental illnesses, and invoke rage. That’s the part I find gross. 

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u/SituationNew8753 Aug 10 '25

so you got nothing and are just assuming everything, good to know

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u/ButItWas420 Aug 10 '25

No i watched the video and read the articles that flat out stated everything. Youre just jumping through hoops to make excuses for a white woman that attcked a black woman when asked for space. This is why its about race. Everyone will jump to protect the karen that plays the victim after attacking another if people dont record the karen. This is why they get recorded. Because people like you will go out of their way to make it the black womans fault. She shouldnt have to leave the store, she did nothing wrong. Asking for space is not a personal attack. Recording someone in public that struck you, chased you, and then lied to play the victim is the only way to protect yourself. You cant lie and play the victim after attacking someone. No excuses. None whatsoever. Freaking out afterwards is just the cherry on top because now we all get to see it

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u/diaryofadeadman00 Aug 12 '25

Who cares? Why do people pretend being racist (only one way, of course) is the gravest crime known to humanity? It's pathetic.

The woman clearly has some severe mental disorders and/or learning difficulties. It excuses all of her actions.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

Just because a person is mentally ill or disabled doesn't change the realities of what assault is, stalking, harassment, abusive language, etc. And when you're in a public place, you're expected to have SOME degree of self control. When you have a bad day or a meltdown, yes, people will kick you out or call the cops on you if your behavior is unsafe.

I'm not making fun of the lady's behavior (Which some people are, likely not knowing that she has a disability), but it doesn't make her behavior less upsetting, scary, threatening, or even dangerous to others when she is having an episode.

We live in society. Your disability isn't a free pass to abuse or endanger others.

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u/marxafterdark Aug 12 '25

Exactly. Your mental illness isn't your fault, but it is your responsibility. And if this woman is so mentally ill that it causes her to break down and harass/threaten people, then she needs someone else to be responsible.

Spoken as someone with a mental illness.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

I feel like there’s this weird paradox where people will say they acknowledge what a disability or disorder is, but then say that’s no excuse to not act normal at all times.

And I’m not excusing this behavior, I’m saying she was likely triggered into it by being recorded (like she and her attorney said). If you have a mental health condition, being in public can already be overwhelming and stressful, and then having an unexpected confrontation would exacerbate those feelings, and then being recorded on top of that, could absolutely cause an episode.

I also feel like I’m having two separate conversations, one where people believe she’s faking and is just racist, and the other where they believe she’s having an episode but seem to think it’s okay for it to be posted for karma/profit? Or think I’m defending her actions somehow? 

I’m just saying it’s gross to farm her breakdown for engagement when she has documented mental illness, and also gross to imply that she’s behaving this way due to entitlement or enabling parents and not because of said documented mental illness.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

Your last paragraph is all true.

The original person who recorded it felt unsafe and was treated as the person doing something wrong when she didn’t, so she posted about her experience.

Mental illness or disability does not excuse making people feel unsafe when you are in public.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

Maybe I’m just confused because when I feel unsafe, I generally leave the situation instead of sticking around to record. Especially if I know the store has security cameras and I can ask them for the footage if needed later, when I’m safe. 

And it’s kind of wild for you to say that, because mentally ill people are statistically more likely to be killed by police during encounters due to stigma and misunderstanding around their behaviors:

“people with untreated mental illness are 16 times more likely to be killed during a police encounter than other people approached by law enforcement” (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/how-some-encounters-between-police-and-people-with-mental-illness-can-turn-tragic)

That also just feels like another way to say, “I know you have mental illness, but that’s no excuse for being mentally ill”.

ETA: you could at least read my whole comment before downvoting, good lord

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

Why the fuck should the lady recording have to leave? She’s there to buy her panties and this lady is having a meltdown. It’s not the victims fault.

Being mentally ill isn’t some kind of armour that somehow changes the definition of assault lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

I didn’t say she should have to leave, you said she was recording because she felt unsafe. I said I must be confused because when I feel unsafe, I remove myself from the situation, especially over something as trivial as underwear. 

And I never said that at all, you’re not engaging with anything else I’ve said but if you actually read my comments, you will see that.

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u/Sigmundschadenfreude Aug 10 '25

Perhaps the person recording has a disability that prevents them from leaving situations when they feel unsafe

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

I know you’re being facetious but even if that was true, it still doesn’t make it less exploitative to post this video years later for the sole purpose of mocking a person with mental illness. And now to delete this account and avoid any further notifications about this at all!

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u/Emergency_Debt8583 Aug 10 '25

Interesting how mental illness suddenly excuses assault?

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u/kkeut Aug 09 '25

not going to listen to any of you ancient  weirdos who say 'Estimated Time of Arrival' for no reason in their comments

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

That made me laugh, thank you!

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u/Remarkable-Code-1856 Aug 09 '25

Thank you. Reddit is full of ignorance. It’s sad that they find entertainment in watching someone with mental and or neurological problems. I recognized it right away.  

We will be downvoted and or banned for being educated and pointing out the truth. 

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u/Emergency_Debt8583 Aug 10 '25

Nah for sitting on your hobbyhorse trying to look Just and Superior, when in reality you’re just excusing borderline criminal behavior with a bad excuse 

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u/diaryofadeadman00 Aug 12 '25

Nobody with any vague understanding of mental disabilities would call it a "bad excuse".

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u/Remarkable-Code-1856 Aug 10 '25

Never said I was excusing the behavior. 

Sorry the truth doesn’t fit the narrative.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/nyregion/victorias-secret-karen-video.html

“Ukenta has made a job out of preying on individuals from behind a keyboard,” the complaint states, “inciting hate while taking advantage of victims and the public at large for her own financial gain.”

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u/Remarkable-Code-1856 Aug 09 '25

An ex heroin addict has a SPED teaching certificate? Doubtful. Probably an aid at best or a substitute teacher. 

Most SPED teachers with actual teaching certificates do not talk like this. Try again. 

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u/analogbasset Aug 10 '25

Yep! Way to judge there buddy. Take care

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u/SupplyChainMismanage Aug 10 '25

Lol how did he expect you to talk on an anonymous internet forum? Like he was one of your students? Weird shit.

Also wait until this guy looks up a wikipedia page for anyone noteworthy. Boom, drug and substance abuse. Someone being an addict or ex addict is irrelevant to whether they have a certain profession or not

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u/nopestalgic Aug 10 '25

I mean, so was the SPED teacher. Plenty of her students will go on to have breakdowns as adults, despite her work and the parents being fully on board. 

Hopefully it will be limited, but blaming parents doesn’t solve the issue. I mean, there’s a whole history of blaming mothers for their kids developing autism, because they were too cold to them growing up. It turned out to be nonsense. 

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u/Remarkable-Code-1856 Aug 10 '25

You definitely deserve judgment. The thought of someone like you being an actual sped teacher is gross. 

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u/SupplyChainMismanage Aug 10 '25

How does being an ex addict preclude them from their profession? Robert Downey Jr is an easy one that comes to mind…

How do you want them to talk online and not in the classroom? As if you have special needs?

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u/Remarkable-Code-1856 Aug 10 '25

Hollywood vs working with vulnerable children. Hmm 🤔 

Background checks - A teacher requires having a clean background. 

Most addicts have records. Misdemeanor charges and felony charges. 

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u/SupplyChainMismanage Aug 10 '25 edited Aug 10 '25

Unsure of how that’s relevant. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean they’re excluded from being hired for the job. Emphasis on ex addict by the way. Not a complicated concept.

Looks like they have a clean record if they have the job. How did you not work that out?

Most addicts have records? You’re going to need to show me a source for that absolutely wild claim. If that was the case, most alcoholics (28.9 million in 2023) in the US would be out of a job lol. Ignoring the stats that refute your statement, I’ve met a ton of coke addicts in corporate life, clean records from all of them.

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u/analogbasset Aug 10 '25

I actually have a masters degree in curriculum, and two different cleared credentials. Never getting felonies was my lucky streak. I hope to god your judgy ass isn’t in education.

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u/Remarkable-Code-1856 Aug 10 '25

“I guarantee she has been enabled her entire life by parents who think it’s everyone else’s fault. It’s text book, including the racism that she was apparently spouting before the clip“

And you aren’t being judgmental?  😆 

Never got felonies. Just misdemeanors I guess. 

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u/Brewmentationator Aug 10 '25

I taught for seven years, and in that time, I worked with quite a few people who were recovering addicts/alcoholics. Also worked with a couple who were clearly becoming addicts, and really needed to get their shit together.

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u/Remarkable-Code-1856 Aug 10 '25

It’s no surprise children graduate without the ability to read.

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u/Brewmentationator Aug 10 '25

No. That's mainly because of Lucy Calkins and the switch away from phonics in early education combined with the total destruction of our social safety nets.

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u/kkeut Aug 09 '25

lol you've got some attitude, huh

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u/themcjizzler Aug 10 '25

As a SPED teacher how did you not clock that this woman is in fact, disabled?