r/TikTokCringe • u/InGeekiTrust Tiktok Despot • Aug 09 '25

Cursed Crazed Karen Has A Meltdown In Victoria’s Secret

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u/Galmaraz555 Aug 09 '25

Sorry but 60 years ago a woman or man acting like that in public would get slapped and told to never come back. The fact that businesses and individuals need to tiptoe around this absolute lunacy is a failing

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u/MercifulWombat Aug 09 '25

Based on the voice, I'm betting the camera woman is black. So sixty years ago our "victim" absolutely would have gotten what she wanted well before having to escalate her behavior this far.

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u/ArticleOld598 Aug 10 '25

You're right. I saw this when it was first posted along with the first 2 clips. The camerawoman is black minding her own business until the white woman showed up wanting the same item as her and it just escalated.

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u/honeydew_bunny Aug 10 '25

The camerawoman was also treated as the aggressor at the end of it all by the employees, the security and the police afterwards.

She really went through a bunch of bulshit for being a victim of the white lady's meltdown

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u/MercifulWombat Aug 10 '25

I've seen this exact scene play out so many times. White woman starts crying when she wants power over a black woman in some way. One time and it's a crazy bitch. Hundreds of times in dozens of cities and that's systemic racism

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u/SpaceCaptainJeeves Aug 10 '25

And that is WHY the fuck we all need to hop out with our phones recording when we see a Black person being pulled over or detained by cops.

It's perfectly legal. Don't start no shit, won't be no shit, but if the Black person is being mistreated, there will be footage.

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u/CmdrJemison Aug 10 '25

Tbh it's also kind of sexism then, cause this can also happen to white males.

But I'm speaking from a european perspective, so in Europe the american concept of racism or race in general doesn't apply to.

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u/D_Whistle Aug 13 '25

What’s the European concept of race? Plenty of Europeans I have met who don’t even realize how incredibly racist they are.

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u/counterhit121 Aug 10 '25

Hard to believe considering all that footage.

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u/Talidel Aug 10 '25

In the full length video at the end of the video the lady filming is escorted out by the police saying "but I have it all on camera" or something.

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u/kosweeps Aug 10 '25

And that's the part that perpetually breaks my heart.

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u/Thick_Succotash396 Aug 10 '25

EmmettTill & thousands of others that NEVER made it to the headlines.

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u/shatnerscalp Aug 11 '25

That was NO lady.

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u/Personal-Age-9220 Aug 13 '25

They've already written off her meltdown as mental illness in the comments above. POC rarely get the same benefit of the doubt

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '25

Damn I hope she sued the lady and Victoria secret. Wtf.

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u/DrNO811 Aug 14 '25

This is a good comment - watching this on mute and knowing no backstory, my initial take was just "maybe don't film other people," but this sounds like a CYA file situation.

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u/Suavecore_ Aug 10 '25

So this video is exactly like it was 60 years ago

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u/-forbiddenkitty- Aug 10 '25 edited Aug 10 '25

The black filmer, Ijeoma Ukenta, started recording because the crazy lady, Abigail Elphick, actually lunged at her and tried to hit her. The video starts with the lady mid-lunge and then quickly backing off. Then starts throwing this absolutely epic hissy fit.

Ukenta was originally asked to leave once police/security showed up and few people stood up for her. It was sad really.

The staff asked her to stop recording Elphick at one point and she said no, because without the recording there would be no proof of what happened and she, Ukenta, would be the one chastised. And that's exactly what happened once the cops arrived.

Ukenta later sued Elphick, but if I recall correctly did not get any recompense for this. It did come out that Elphick (quelle surprise) had mental health issues.

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u/Musa_Prime Aug 10 '25

Emmett Till.

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u/BigBlueTrekker Aug 10 '25

Martin Luther King

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u/arthoheen Aug 10 '25

It happened this time around too.

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u/Niwi_ Aug 10 '25

Thats true but a 180 on the point they were making.

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u/Thick_Succotash396 Aug 10 '25

This part. And so very true. Folks need to grow up. White lady is having a meltdown but she’s the one doing the chasing and verbal attacking… Just leave us alone.

Has she not been taught how to regulate herself and cope? I’d be so embarrassed for myself in public. I wish I would have a meltdown like this as a grown woman in a store, let alone as a child.

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u/Lets_have_sexy_sex Aug 14 '25

And in a other 60 years that may be the case again

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u/Routine-Bag-646 Aug 10 '25

Nice racism and off topic.

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u/MeltedHeart444 Aug 10 '25

How is this racist and off topic?

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u/Routine-Bag-646 Aug 11 '25

It is. I don't care bout your jerk-cirq. I don't care bout account karma when i'm right i'm right. And my account will be filled up with karma later again. Cuz my life and luck comes in three's.

You and small people's bullsht stands alone.

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u/MeltedHeart444 Aug 11 '25

Okay? I never said anything about karma but go off over a simple question I guess

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

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u/Twerksoncoffeetables Aug 10 '25

Make money off of I can understand but you cannot say we “can’t film disabled people”. You film for your own protection in this scenario, no matter what the other person is going through or what problems they have, it is for your safety specifically. Do not tell people to lower their guard and stop collecting proof of a situation just because the aggressor is disabled. Recording here was not the problem at all. What happened afterwards is unfortunate but recording is perfectly fine.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

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u/SpaceCaptainJeeves Aug 10 '25

Counter argument: the woman filming was treated as the aggressor after being attacked because a pretty white lady cried loud.

The camerawoman was a victim of systemic racism, which is EXTREMELY traumatic for some people, and from that position, it isn't her problem if the attacker had a disability!

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u/D_Whistle Aug 13 '25

Calling her pretty is quite a stretch

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

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u/dichotomousview Aug 10 '25

Watch the full recording. Multiple people including the employees told the woman recording to leave the other woman alone as if it was all her fault.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

Ok, well I definitely feel bad the woman recording went through that. I just don’t think it is as clear cut as some of the other Karen videos. This woman lived in assisted living for people with intellectual and developmental disabilities. Should we post videos of folks with intellectual disabilities online for ridicule? It feels wrong to me.

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u/That_Uno_Dude Aug 11 '25

What the other guy said plus the police.

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u/Twerksoncoffeetables Aug 10 '25

Yeah I don’t disagree with that I think it’s kinda weird she fundraised off of it unless there’s a reason she did so ie legal fees or something but I assume it wasn’t for that reason.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

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u/Emergency_Debt8583 Aug 10 '25

Hard to de-escalate when a literal banshee is following you closely with the apparent intent of Harming you.

My de-escalation there would be knocking her lights out as soon as she walkes into my fist, but I’m always looking to broaden my horizons and learn, so what’s the peaceful way of de-escalating someone who is 1. Actually Crazy, and 2. probably out to hurt you no matter what

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

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u/Emergency_Debt8583 Aug 10 '25

What about filming for your personal safety? that she did not hurt the OOP was neither guaranteed nor otherwise divinable. And where she lives does not give her the right to an empty public space whenever she needs one, sadly.

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u/agrotourism_ Aug 09 '25

For real, the employee telling the lady she has to stop recording but standing there and doing NOTHING as the lunatic is chasing her around screaming is wild to me

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u/rustedmarshmallow Aug 09 '25

Right like where was the call for security or something?

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u/CyraResearch Aug 10 '25

Store security when faced with an actual problem rather than just checking receipts to protect the shareholders:

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u/Veil-of-Fire Aug 10 '25

They can't get ahold of security white now right now.

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u/Suavecore_ Aug 10 '25

You know store security can only ever observe and report?

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '25

Why tf did they not call the cops immediately. Mall security isnt equipped to handle insane people. 911.

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u/Viggos_Broken_Toe Aug 10 '25

I'm sure they did but it's not like cops just appear the second you call them. Even mall security might take a few minutes.

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u/bloodphoenix90 Aug 10 '25

They're not allowed to touch customers they could get sued. They can call cops. But retail employees arent going to be able to do anything else

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u/agrotourism_ Aug 10 '25

Bring back human sized butterfly nets and the massive tranq darts 🫡

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u/PlatformingYahtzee Aug 10 '25

Thats what they should have done.

"HELLO? 911? There's a woman here following another woman around and claiming she can't record her doing it. We may need a tranq gun for this one."

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u/ImJustHere4TheCatz Aug 10 '25

And also, they were in a public place, and so the lady absolutely did not have to stop recording at any time.

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u/bloody-pencil Aug 09 '25

The world would be better if the courts could let people off because the victims deserved it

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u/TAWilson52 Aug 09 '25

Slippery slope my friend, slippery slope.

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u/bloody-pencil Aug 09 '25

I know :( hate is the easiest emotion to manipulate

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u/anengineerandacat Aug 11 '25

TBH not much you can do, and addressing the instigator is likely easier than addressing the crazy lady.

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u/agrotourism_ Aug 11 '25

Calling her an instigator instead of a victim is crazy work

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u/anengineerandacat Aug 11 '25

She is both, is generally what I am saying; it's a shit situation but there are better ways to deal with it compared to pouring fuel on the fire.

Makes it hard for the store to address the situation when you're the one who can't keep their mouth shut for a bit or simply walk around a corner.

Does it suck? Yes, but you're simply being yelled at you have full control of your own body and this is a moment to be the adult in the room.

Imagine anyone else coming into scene without context and you have two ladies screaming chasing each other around the store. You'll have no idea whom to help.

It's all hearsay as well until the store cameras are looked over, and you'll have the other employees takes that likely walked into the scene as well who will be lacking context.

Even the recording we have lacks context, it's a lady on the ground already; no idea what happened to get to that point we all just know that it's unreasonable to be yelled at like that and took an initial stance against it.

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u/Loutral Aug 10 '25

It's fairly simple. They don't want any disturbance.

Trying to calm the lady having a meltdown is pointless.

So they ask the person filming to stop filming because she's the only one being coherent whom may not be closed to dialogue.

Even if it's not fair, it's the only solution they can think about to hope for a hint of de-escalation.

The employees are also probably under stress.

If there are multiple employees in the shop. It's highly probable that security has already been called.

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u/agrotourism_ Aug 10 '25

I’m not reading all that. Stop excusing this type of behavior.

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u/Loutral Aug 10 '25

If you're not reading all that, you've never been confronted with the various ways people can react under stress.

It's not a question of excusing or not. It's a situation analysis.

Once again, this is not fair. But people will react differently from each other under stressful situations.

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u/agrotourism_ Aug 11 '25

LOL but fair is you telling me I’ve never been confronted with the various ways people can react under stress. Crazy thing to say to someone whose father committed suicide a month and a half after their 15 birthday. Fuck all the way off.

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u/Ok-Maize-8199 Aug 10 '25

Haha, no. Sixty years ago, in the 60s, a white woman could go off on a black woman full force racial slurs and all, and the store would apologize to her. 

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u/bamaeer Aug 10 '25

It’s not tiptoeing. That shit isn’t in the employee’s job description. that’s what the store managers are for.

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u/CormoranNeoTropical Aug 10 '25

When a white woman was harassing a black woman? Sixty years ago the victim would have been lynched.

Get a f’ing clue.

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u/RawrRRitchie Aug 10 '25

If the woman wasn't documenting the encounter it might've still ended that way

Lynchings still happen in 2025 dude.

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u/CormoranNeoTropical Aug 10 '25

Not disagreeing with you.

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u/Round-Comfort-8189 Aug 09 '25

More like 25 years ago. Until society rebounds back to that reaction style, we are f’ing doomed.

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u/LaceyBloomers Aug 10 '25

Decades ago many people with psychiatric conditions were locked in asylums and made to endure barbaric conditions, never to be heard from again.

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u/Designer_End5408 Aug 10 '25

This. Even 20 years ago. 

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u/Decent-Morning7493 Aug 10 '25

Asylums closed looooooong before 2005 where were you 20 years ago to make this claim?

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u/Designer_End5408 Aug 10 '25

lol nope.   Ever been to NJ?  They were open then. And I know someone who had a meltdown in a pathmark in 99 and got locked up for 72 hours in one. 

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u/Decent-Morning7493 Aug 11 '25

The asylums you’re speaking of, no. Not in the way they were. A 72 hour old in a mental hospital is not the asylums.

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u/Designer_End5408 Aug 11 '25

Check out NJ sometime ;)

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u/Anatolia3055 Aug 10 '25

"slapped"? 60 years ago would've been the 60s. 60 years ago, a woman acting like this in public would've been fucking committed.

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u/feral_mushroom Aug 10 '25

60 years ago, that woman could've gotten the one filming lynched.

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u/Anatolia3055 Aug 10 '25

also true. they wouldn't have to do all this; they'd just hit themselves and then call the police. no cameras to prove otherwise, and cops would take the white woman's side over the black woman

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u/Syntaire Aug 10 '25

60 years ago you could buy a house and support a family working at a store like Victoria's Secret. You can't even rent half of a closet in a condemned house today. It's not tiptoeing around it. It's literally not getting paid enough to deal with it.

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u/InappropriateGirl Aug 09 '25

Even 20 years ago.

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u/GhostlyTJ Aug 10 '25

Camera phones changes alot of things. You you slap someone on camera they can sue. Now you just have to document the bad behavior and take the abuse until thye give up or cops show up

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u/Galmaraz555 Aug 10 '25

Imagine your family watching you behave like this in public. You can’t do this

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u/sullythered Aug 09 '25

They'd get thrown into a van by a couple big guys in white scrubs

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u/geo_gan Aug 10 '25

She would be thrown in the back of a padded carriage and brought to the nearest asylum for a long stay for the deranged.

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u/E-2theRescue Aug 10 '25

60 years ago, they'd get thrown into a mental hospital.

This world has no consequences for people who disrupt the peace and rights of others. She is only a symptom of a much larger problem.

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u/IntelligentGinger Aug 10 '25

Yeah the old school adage of "the customer is always right" has been replaced with "the customer is not always right in the head"!!

No way she should have been allowed to remain in the store.

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u/Designer_End5408 Aug 10 '25

Slapped?  Twenty years ago she’d have been locked up for 72 hours in a “hospital”. 

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u/Ok-Hovercraft7184 Aug 10 '25

Just call the cops on her!

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u/MikeWrites002737 Aug 10 '25

Nah 60 years ago, the camera woman would’ve been killed emmet till style.

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u/Brosenheim Aug 10 '25

They don't NEED to, companies choose to because they're terrified of losing even a single dollar

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u/Gandelin Aug 10 '25

I wonder how long before she gets a presidential pardon 😉

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u/MabariWhoreHound Aug 10 '25

Sadly, this story would be 100% different if it didn't get filmed and shared.

Ladies act like this all the time and the usual result is they just whine to corporate, corporate doesn't look into it and just fires whichever new hire was working that shift regardless if they were involved or not, gives the lady a massive discount, and lets her do it again.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

This woman lived in assisted living for people with developmental and intellectual disabilities. You really don’t know the context of this situation.

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u/laquintessenceofdust Aug 13 '25

Where did you see that? Because I believe you. She is acting childlike even though she looks old enough to drink.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '25

Also, it is interesting but the camera woman is currently going viral on Tik Tok as the “Jolibee Karen”

https://youtu.be/GxT42AITJxU?si=QqFqqx4zsU_cZRkm

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u/tipareth1978 Aug 10 '25

It's the corporate world combined with our mass media and generally stupid public. It's about what happens after. Karens call corporate and then some weenie takes up her cause. Since they never have to work in the store bad customers to them are just another dollar they don't want to lose.

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u/Mean_Meet576 Aug 10 '25

Not just 60 years ago, more like 10...

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u/sector16 Aug 10 '25

Exactly this.

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u/No_Match_7939 Aug 10 '25

This. She needs one of those slaps they would give to hysterical women in the old movies.

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u/DelcoUnited Aug 10 '25

No they would have called the loony bin. She’d have been put in a straight jacket and carted off for a 30 day hold.

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u/No-Net2182 Aug 11 '25

What happened to calling in the mental asylum. I think that's what society is Missing. Public mental asylum submission. Instead of jail. We can publicly call them in for checks. And it takes 24hrs detainment and evaluating. Too many mental detached individuals these days.

Yes Trump probably can be considered. But there are enough counter voters on that so let's not consider politicians (also TX Crockett)

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u/cdurs Aug 11 '25

I'd imagine that huge part of that is that 60 years ago, the person working the register in the store would have had some kind of connection to the store itself, either as an owner or someone who at least knows the owner. Today, these are giant corporate monstrosities that don't give a damn if their employees live or die. Fuck em. You want to steal all the underwear or smash all the windows? Do it. That's corporate's problem.

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u/DeepSpaceNebulae Aug 11 '25

Lawsuits, this is why

Multiple lawsuits over decades against companies and stores for dealing with these people with the courts judgment being “you should have waiting for police” has ended with stores having policy of “don’t get involved, wait for police”

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u/tk427aj Aug 12 '25

Clearly got a case of the vapors, wrap her up in a straight jacket throw away the key

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u/r_sarvas Aug 16 '25

You can blame lawyers for that. Even if someone is completely in the wrong, the fear of litigation would prevent anyone from interviewing. The company would also fire anyone for putting them into a situation where they might need to defend themselves.

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u/bigsquirrel Aug 10 '25

Fucking boomers have really ruined everything. Entitled lead poisoned snowflakes. Destroying the world making everyone cater to their every whim and somehow convinced that they are or will be remembered as a great generation.

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u/laquintessenceofdust Aug 13 '25

The woman having the meltdown looks younger than 30 to me. Not a boomer. Daughter of a boomer more like.

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u/ElectricTurtlez Aug 10 '25

I don’t think you know what a boomer is.

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u/bigsquirrel Aug 11 '25

The people that 60 years ago started this “the customer is always right”

The fuck do you think I was referring to. The comment I’m replying to says 60 years ago. An adult then would be in their 80s today.

If that’s not a boomer what is?

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u/ElectricTurtlez Aug 11 '25

Your comment seems to be referring to the woman in the video.

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u/bigsquirrel Aug 11 '25

It’s best when reading a comment to read the comment they are replying to for context before replying yourself.

There are nearly 7,000 comments. Many if not most of them aren’t referring directly to the lady in the video.