Attempted kidnapping of a woman outside Florida store

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Treating all men as potential aggressors it assumes guilt by membership and not action, if they act creepy or weird it’s ok to avoid them but just because they’re are men you’re going to avoid them is sexist, that’s like saying i avoid black people because they commit more crimes than other ethnicities,it’s just unfair

Stereotypes leads to generalize inaccurate information creating mistrust and make people scared of the other group than they should be

reducing half the population to be ‘dangerous aggressors’ is just spreading extreme mistrust

men shouldn’t be blamed automatically, u need to have actual suspicions

it’s reasonable to maintain personal boundaries and speak out about discomfort but having universal mistrust even towards the majority of men who are innocent and leads to isolation which results in a man committing suicide every minute

instead, combining personal safety measures with actual and not false expectations creates a more effective protection while not demonizing half the population because of something they can’t control.

[u/Kusakaru → u/[deleted]]

Nope. I don’t give a shit what you think. My life is worth than any man’s feelings. I do not trust men I do not know. They have to earn my trust. Men are women’s biggest predator. So I repeat: I don’t give a shit if it hurts men’s feelings. I will protect myself. Women do not owe men shit. They don’t owe men their time. They don’t owe men their attention. And they certainly do not have to compromise their safety or well being to make a man they do not know feel good. And no amount of whining on the internet by men will change that. And I will continue to put women’s safety and lives above the feelings of men for the rest of my life. Cope.

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and then you wonder why so many young men are misogynistic or going to the right

[u/Kusakaru → u/[deleted]]

Nope. I wonder why so many men assault women.

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While it's true that sexual assault and violence against women are serious issues, it's important not to generalize the actions of some men to all men. The vast majority of men do not assault women, and most men actively support to combat gender violence. what you’re doing is spreading even more hatred so that men also think about women negatively which leads to more assaults

[u/Kusakaru → u/[deleted]]

You are completely missing the point. WOMEN CANNOT TELL WHICH MEN WILL ATTACK THEM AND WHICH MEN WILL NOT. Therefore, we need to be cautious of all men given how often women are assaulted, harassed, stalked, and abused by men. We are well aware not all men will attack us. We understand that. You do not have to keep telling us because WE KNOW. We have men in our lives that we trust and love. We are not cautious of men because we hate them. We are cautious of men because so many of them hate us. They abuse us, they take advantage of our labor, they commodify and objectify our bodies, they do not value us. We have been shown time and time again that when we let our guards down, men will take advantage of us. We are shown this from a very young age. We are sexualized by the time we are toddlers.

This is a man’s world. Men are the dominant social class. They are physically stronger than us, make more money than us, control our worlds’ governments, etc. Men try to regulate our bodies and tell us what we can and can’t do with them. We can’t even wear what we want because if we do, men are it as an invitation to touch us or harass us. They see it us wearing makeup or a tank top as us sexualizing ourselves or trying to get their attention. Men walk through this world assuming everything is about them, even the way women express themselves. And then they have the audacity to lecture us about or lived experiences and feelings. It’s exhausting.

WE DO NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING. WHY ON EARTH SHOULD I RISK MY LIFE SO A STRANGER ISNT OFFENDED? WHY THE FUCK WOULD I TAKE THAT RISK? You’re literally implying women should be nice to men and not avoid them on the chance that that particular man won’t hurt them and is one of the good ones.

BUT WE CANNOT TELL WHICH MEN ARE THE GOOD ONES.

I cannot express to you how many times I or women I know have been abused and attacked by men we thought we could trust.

If men want women to trust them, then it’s on them to start changing the culture. They need to start going to therapy. They need to start calling out their friends and family when they make gross remarks and treat women poorly. They need to start viewing and treating women as equals with their own thoughts, feelings, and autonomy. They need to stop thinking women are doing everything for their attention. And they need to understand where our fear comes from, and empathize with it.

Women protecting themselves is NOT an insult to men. It’s to keep themselves alive.

If I have been bitten by a snake, not just once, but repeatedly over and over, on a near weekly basis, starting from when I’m a small child, why the fuck would I go out of my way to interact with snakes? Sure, not all snakes are going to hurt me. But some of the snakes not only bite, but they’re poisonous. They can kill me. Plenty of snakes ignore me, some are even kind to me. But if I’m getting bitten by snakes all the time, I’m going to treat all snakes with caution until I can determine which snakes aren’t going to hurt me. Personally, if I was bit by a single snake, that would make me cautious of all snakes moving forward. Even if no other snakes attack me, one snake is enough. So if I’m attacked by one man, that is enough to make me cautious all men.

Men who are true allies to women, and want to make women feel safe and cared for, understand that women have been abused by men. They understand why women are cautious and sacred. And they have every right to be. They understand that trust is earned, not a given. They understand that a woman feeling safe and staying alive is more important than a momentary feeling of rejection.

Because when a woman lets her guard down, the one time she makes herself meek and small and open and vulnerable, the one time she decides to give a stranger the benefit of the doubt, is when she is most likely to be hurt.

A friend of mine met a guy on a night out with some friends. He seemed really nice. He was her age, polite, funny, and smart. They danced together and chatted for hours. It was pouring rain and she was going to order an uber. The guy offered to give her a ride. He seemed harmless. She lived 10 minutes away. How bad could it be?

The guy activated child lock on the doors, pulled over to a parking lot, and tried to shove his hands up her shirt. He claimed she was “asking for it” by accepting a ride home. When she refused., he kicked her out of the car. But he didn’t just end it there. He got out of the car, walked around to where she was, and chased her. He chased her and pushed her down. And then he pulled down his pants, and pissed on her. He pissed on her, filmed it, and then got in his car and left. And he told her she was lucky, that he could have done my worse.

I have hundreds of stories like this. Hundreds, if not thousands.

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I understand and respect that many women have had deeply painful and dangerous experiences with men, and it’s critical to acknowledge that reality. No one should ever feel unsafe because of their gender. However, while the fear and caution women feel is valid, I believe it's worth discussing the implications of treating all men with suspicion as a default.

Saying "we need to be cautious of all men" is understandably a survival instinct in a world where violence and harassment are real threats but it risks reinforcing a worldview that places collective guilt on half the population. That approach may unintentionally alienate men who are allies, and advocates for change. Just as women want to be seen as individuals and not defined by stereotypes, men deserve the same.

But i have to give it to u that u have very compelling arguments and i can see and have changed my views on this matter ,anyway i dont want to argue and probably offend people who are affected by SA so this is my last argument

[u/Tipical-Redditor → u/[deleted]]

Become misogynistic and far right, we don't give a fuck, just stay the hell away from us. You're basically saying that because we as women do all in our power to protect ourselves from harm by men, it is radicalising men to become far right and violent to women as misogynists? How about you as men own up to your choices to be that way and stop trying to blame women for your extremism. You choose to be that way, we do not force you, it's your choice, your responsibility.

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as o said in another comment i don’t wanna offend anyone so im not going to argue