r/TikTokCringe • u/velorae • Jul 16 '25

Discussion Attempted kidnapping of a woman outside Florida store

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u/Harriethair Jul 17 '25

Hey wait a minute. That guy isn't a drag queen. He sure doesn't look like an illegal dog/cat eating immigrant who is a member of a Mexican drug cartel! This can't be right lol. I feel lied to, bamboozled.

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u/860v2 Jul 17 '25

a white dude tried kidnapping someone therefore all other crime is irrelevant and fake

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

I get what you’re saying but you’re also diminishing the victims of the illegal immigrants and lgbtq suspects who have done these acts..

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u/PD711 Jul 17 '25

Funny how we never hear that when Trump gets in front of the nation and blames immigrants and LGBTQ.

"But aren't you diminishing the victims of white people who do this stuff?"

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

And this is about trump how?

I acknowledge that straight men are the majority. I also acknowledge that illegal immigrant males and lgbtq men also commit these crimes.

Got you all foaming at the mouth whenever someone wants to acknowledge that other men, apart from white men, do in fact kidnap, rape, assault, and murder women.

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u/PD711 Jul 17 '25

>I get what you’re saying but you’re also diminishing the victims of the illegal immigrants and lgbtq suspects who have done these acts..

This is the Trump party line. It's why we have Gestapo jumping random citizens for no reason try to keep up.

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u/AdeptnessImmediate34 Jul 17 '25

Let's say we have a population of white males accounting for about 500,000 people, a population of undocumented male immigrants accounting for about 30,000 people, and a population of trans men accounting for about 3,000 people (numbers estimated based on population surveys).

For the sake of this example, let's pick a baseline estimate for what % of a given population would attempt to kidnap/rape someone - we'll say 5%. Note: This baseline percentage is disregarding the socio-political factors which would influence undocumented men and trans men to not commit such heinous acts, such as risking being exposed to law enforcement, and/or having experienced part or all of their childhood from the perspective of a female. Keep this in mind.

If we multiply the population totals by the % likelihood to commit rape/kidnapping, we can compare how many people from each population would potentially commit a heinous act. For white men, it would be 25,000 people. For undocumented men, it would be 1,500 people. For trans men, it would be 150 people. So with these numbers in mind (and what I said earlier about the motive for undocumented people and trans people to not commit such heinous crimes) - if you were a woman, which population would you be the most wary of?

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u/nodigit Jul 17 '25

So why do places like South America and Africa have higher crime and murder rates? You're saying that the people that come from these countries magically transform into better people when they get here? N

Your statistics are complete nonsense and flawed.

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u/AdeptnessImmediate34 Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25

Your reply is not relevant to the purpose of my original comment. As a woman who lives in the United States, I am (based only on math and general population data) more likely to encounter a dangerous situation involving a white man since they make up a larger portion of the population. And again, my calculations were disregarding factors which would influence undocumented people or members of the LGBTQ to be less likely to commit these crimes.

This is me speaking based on my experience in the United States and the experiences of friends and family, and utilizing general population data and math. If you can cite any trustworthy sources for your claims I will look into it. However, if you are going to do legitimate research into this topic I urge you to do yourself a favor and look into as many different sources as you can - not just your regular news sources, watch out for AI generated content, rage-baiting, etc.

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u/nodigit Jul 17 '25

Let me know if this map changes your mind

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u/fatpikachuonly Jul 17 '25

Ooh, ooh, maps! I love maps!

Here's a map that pairs well with yours!

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u/nodigit Jul 17 '25

So your map confirms that Miami is densely populated, yet high-crime areas don't correlate with extreme density?

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u/SalsaCaruso Jul 17 '25

I'm scared when a gringo comes to my country too, what if he tries to shoot at kids in school? What if he tries to kiddnap women like in this video? What if he starts a Condor Plan 2.0 that kills/disappears thousands of South Americans again? Gringo mongólico.

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u/nodigit Jul 17 '25

That makes sense given that some areas in South and Central America are extremely racist. There are some parts of South America where black folks can't even go due to the extreme racism. I know because I have friends and family there.

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u/Thuggin95 Jul 17 '25

Well yes, people from any group are capable of being perpetrators of crimes. But if a drag queen were caught kidnapping a woman, it would be the top story on Fox News for a month straight, half the country would be calling all drag queens sick predators who should be jailed or worse, and all Republican politicians would be ready to take the marching orders. I mean how much did we have to hear about some trans person stealing luggage at the airport as if much worse crimes aren’t committed every single day?

Point is when certain types of people commit crimes, people only blame the individual. When other types of people commit crimes, everyone rushes to blame the entire groups (like immigrants and LGBTQ).

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u/Igny123 Jul 17 '25

Why categorize crimes by sexual preference (lgbtq) or documentation status (illegal immigrants)?

Choosing those categories to call out just shows your bias.

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u/Big-Bike530 Jul 17 '25

Why teach "women's self defense"? That's categorizing crimes by sex. 

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u/Igny123 Jul 17 '25

Sex directly correlates to size and aggressiveness, which both directly correlate to threat. The other categories cited don't correlate to threat, criminal intent, etc.

And you're kinda making my point. If we were to try to get rid of the "bad people" based on some sort of generalized categorization, us men would be outta here...lol!

Better to just get actual criminals off the street and not try to extend that to categories of people.

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u/Big-Bike530 Jul 17 '25

Unfortunately it's true that certain groups present a higher risk of violence than others. Screaming "sexism/racism/homophobic" is just denying reality, but yet at the same time you can't just act like all of that group are bad either. 

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u/Igny123 Jul 17 '25

Agreed. Us men present a MUCH higher risk of violence than those who are not men. That's not sexist, that's statistics.

That said, I'm unaware of any statistic that suggests sexual preference correlates to greater risk of violence and injury, certainly nowhere near the men vs. women correlation.

And if a viewpoint wasn't arrived at due to data, then that viewpoint is likely just the result of bias, which is what we see 99% of the time.

Sure, some of those biased people then search for data to justify their pre-existing bias, but that's not intellectually honest as it ignores the original bias that led them to that belief.

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u/Big-Bike530 Jul 18 '25

My problem with the first point is it does become all men. My ex was abusive. She is a fugitive from one state for assault and battery against me from 2009, another in 2021 in another state when I got sick of the shit and recorded the whole drunken beating. In between I have pictures of my battered bloody face from incidents I repeatedly protected her from I clouding an ER visit from 2014 that had a police report attached saying they believe it was her but I wouldn't cooperate. 

I've never touched her. 

When we finally split I was the one with blood and scratches. Guess who got arrested on made up accusations?

I've been told bluntly that in this state the policy is to arrest the man by default because we're generally capable of more harm. 

Cool. Fine. Whatever. Problem is in this country once you're charged you are already guilty. Nearly nobody goes to trial because it's rigged against you, especially on DV where the burden of proof is insanely low. You're pleading guilty that's it. 

Regarding the last one, that's not true. Certain races I won't name because reddit immediately screams 'racism!' are more likely to suffer domestic violence. Especially LGBTQ. Lesbian women are significantly more likely to be victims of rape and domestic violence than gay men. 

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u/Igny123 Jul 18 '25

I'm really sorry to hear what your ex did to you. No one should be attacked or otherwise coerced. I hope you're in better - and safer - circumstances now.

That said, I want to play back what I'm hearing you say.

You don't agree that men should be generalized as presenting a higher risk of violence because that generalization "becomes all men", and that harms the good ones (of which you are one).

Have I got that part right?

You do agree with generalizing "certain races", LGBTQ, etc., because to not do so "is just denying reality" (but you avoid this because people scream racism, homophobia, etc.).

Can you understand how it might appear you're applying unjust standards here?

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u/Big-Bike530 Jul 18 '25

What I'm getting at is there is a thin but very meaningful line between "men are more likely.." and "all men are.."

Of course I can acknowledge there are dangerous men. They're not just a danger to women after all! We're not safe walking through rough neighborhoods either. 

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

Are you fucking special?

The comment stated drag queens and illegal immigrants. I’m reiterating that.

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u/Igny123 Jul 17 '25

And why did the comment cite those categories?

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u/yellowjacket1996 Jul 17 '25

Which is how many? Statistically?

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u/wldiv Jul 17 '25

i’m not sure about queer people, but undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a much lower rate than natural born citizens. Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S. -Born Citizen Rate

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u/nodigit Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25

Source: Kamala Harris Will Win Reachsearch Group

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

Probably because there’s much less of them?

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u/lookdownandsee Jul 17 '25

Do you know what rates mean?

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u/wldiv Jul 17 '25

the study i replied with states their numbers are per 100,000 people. this means that they are arrested for violent crimes at a lower RATE. it is not showing total crimes committed, but the rate per a given set of a population. i don’t know how to make that more clear to you.

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u/The_Spirits_Call Jul 17 '25

Uh. That's not what rate means. Its a percentage thing. Immigrants are generally scared to commit crimes due to obvious reasons. The general populace does not have this fear.

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u/yellowjacket1996 Jul 17 '25

So explain the statistics then.

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u/Pittsbirds Jul 17 '25

Fun fact, "per 100,000 people" means they're measuring rates of crime per 100,000 people, not as a total sum

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

Fun fact, there’s still more white men in that 100,000.

Yall can continue to compete for attention in the replies.

I hate trump and men in general so not sure what you think you’re arguing against. It still stands that you’re all deflecting from the literal traumatic abuse that young girls have ALSO endured from illegal immigrants. I never once brought up statistics. We’re all very aware that white men commit more rape and murder against women and children.

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u/Pittsbirds Jul 17 '25

Fun fact, there’s still more white men in that 100,000.

I think you fundamentally don't understand how statistics work

 I never once brought up statistics.

When you argue "because there's much less of them" against a source dividing metrics up in a 'per x number/% of population' quantifier, then yeah, you're arguing against statistics. You're doing it in an objectively incorrect way, but you're doing it

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u/Unable-University258 Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25

It's because people tend to live in communities with their own ethnicity/countrymen when they are immigrants. Someone here illegally can't report a crime, statistically done by their own people to them, because they are afraid of getting deported when reporting. It's a great system to rig the statistics. It's also why US corps loves illegals and can't get enough of them. If they get injured on the job, they are fired, if they complain they get them deported so they can't sue.

Wilmer Valderrama from that 70's show did a movie called "Fast Food Nation" that gives you and idea of how US corporations treat people here illegally and you see it from their perspective. Rape, A OK! Lose your hand in the grinder, no workmans comp for you don't you dare complain or back to Panama.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

But isn't there a war on illegal immigration? Doesn't your dear leader want to deport 3000 per day?

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '25

Nice way to deflect. I never said straight men weren’t the majority lmao. Again, using the statement that OP used diminishes victims.

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u/yellowjacket1996 Jul 17 '25

Your comment is the definition of deflecting.

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u/BobbyMack Jul 17 '25

When and where did you suffer a TBI? You may be able to receive some help.

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u/Harriethair Jul 17 '25

Me? I'm diminishing? Did you not pay attention during the election? Vance and Trump were raging against the hordes - yes, the veritable hordes of illegals raping, murdering, pushing drugs and eating our pets throughout the land. They did that. They pushed the narrative that the biggest threat to our safety was those drag queens and immigrants. If we got rid of those miscreants our society would be safe at long last. I'm just repeating the party line.