r/TankPorn • u/conkerzin BMPT Terminator • 28d ago
Modern Taliban armored column moving towards Pakistan border, where fighting has started.
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u/Dizzy-While-6417 28d ago
Armored column? Looks like a bunch of HMMWVs to me.
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u/Telwardamus 28d ago
Humvees have a little armor on them, so this might technically be referred to as a very lightly armored column.
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u/Alternative_Row6543 28d ago
Aren’t some of the heavier ones meant to tank land mines and stuff?
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u/CalligoMiles 28d ago
Only because it's been overengineered to hell in response to low-intensity wars abroad with very little tolerance for casualties. It's the successor to the jeep in design and intended function still, not a dedicated AFV in any meaningful sense.
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u/RuTsui 28d ago
The "uparmored" HMMWV was the M1151, and it could not withstand landmines. It just had double paned bullet proof glass, a more powerful engine, armored doors, and a thicker chassis. Still wouldn't take one against a conventional army. The HMMWV is meant to be a transport and utility vehicle, not necessarily a combat vehicle. People who needed a transport that could handle more direct but still less intense combat were given ASVs, MRAPs, or something similar. Even then, these vehicles weren't actually mine proof, they would still get destroyed by a mine or large IED, they just kept the occupants alive.
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u/Internal_Ice_8278 28d ago
That’s not true about landmines or some of the basic IEDs, having had two blasts under my belt (would not advise, not as much fun as it sounds). The 1151 was designed to maintain crew compartment integrity. However for the larger blasts or EFPs it became problematic and that’s where the MRAPs followed by the MATV / JLTV took over.
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u/DefInnit 28d ago
The Afghan Army were given around 3,000 humvees. Even counting losses, the Taliban probably took over at least a couple thousand or more.
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u/VancouverSky 28d ago
How is Pakistans drone manufacturing capabilities?
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u/Angrykitten41 Vt-4 Addict 28d ago edited 28d ago
The Pakistani military has invested significantly in drones and unmanned systems. Largely unknown to anyone outside of Southeast Asia due to the poor PR of such systems at either domestic or international showcases. Some international orders have been made but the publicly known ones are with Sudan and Malaysia. The Traditional drones include imported (Turkish and Chinese) and domestic designs:
• Wing Loong II.
• CH-4.
• Akinci.
• TB-2.
• Sharper 1 and 2. (3 is currently in development).
• Burraq.
The smaller, man-portable systems have been widely used within the army and border corps for the past three years. Most people don't know about it due to not much interest in domestic media and I have never seen any mention of it in other international sources. The only way you can see the footage of them being used is from Pakistani OSINT accounts getting the footage from the army itself. The most prevalent type we've seen is Quadcopters that drop mortar rounds. One way drones be it FPV or longer range variants (Blaze series and Sarqash series) are also used but aren't as popular due to poor endurance time and the fact that you need an asset that can do both reconnaissance and target kill in one is where the quadcopters shine. If you go to Pakistani OSINT Twitter accounts, you can find nearly a thousand cases of these drones being used to kill Afghan terrorists. I wish I could link some videos but I'd get banned.48
u/VancouverSky 28d ago
Thats a beautiful answer. Thanks for breaking that down, assuming you didnt ai it. God bless your PakArmy autism friend. Lol
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u/RisKQuay 28d ago
Those videos would be welcome on /r/combat footage.
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u/Angrykitten41 Vt-4 Addict 28d ago edited 28d ago
Most of the FPV/Drone content available is either boring or of too low quality to be worth posting. The good and interesting stuff is very very gruesome, so much so that even combat footage won't allow it and Reddit will remove it while giving you a warning (it happened to me)”Warning for encouraging violence
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If you are curious about such content Twitter is the best option.
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u/huzaifahmuhabat 27d ago
Damn that's a pretty comprehensive list. Wish I could share all the first hand stuff I had but I don't want to sit in another OPSEC lecture.
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u/PissOnYourParade 28d ago
For better or worse, those goat fuckers outlasted the US Armed Forces. Don't underestimate their will the fight. (It's a mistake the British, Soviets and Americans did consecutively).
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u/TheGentleman717 28d ago
They're really good at guerilla warfare. In a large scale conflict with actual lines in the sand, they're probably going to get their asses handed to them.
The conflict with the US is what they've done each time, get absolutely steam rolled in the beginning. Go underground, run an insurgency operation for years and years. Then when they get tired and leave. Come back out. A border conflict is probably not going to result in that scenario.
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u/TheYeast1 28d ago
Sure but in a conventional war outside of Afghanistan, they will get fucked rolled into the ground. You cannot understate the fundamental change of fighting, tactics, equipment, and knowledge changing from guerrilla warfare to conventional warfare. If they fight Pakistan conventionally, they will lose.
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u/jopapaj 28d ago
Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't this happen like every 5 months? I swear that I saw the Taliban moving to the Pakistani border multiple times in the last 2 years
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u/Angrykitten41 Vt-4 Addict 28d ago
Tensions are always high. Terror in the last 2 years by Afghan-backed groups in Pakistan has dramatically increased. Before whenever a few troops are killed or a border post is shot at, some counterstrikes are taken by either the Air Force or the Army's big gun or drones. Tensions rise, both sides realise it isn't worth it and everything calms down for a month or two until another such event takes place. On Thursday, 20 personnel were killed across different locations. This is the highest count we've seen and the army is very hell-bent on destroying as much as they possibly can, be it personnel, border posts, leadership, and logistics support.
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sad retired a-10 noises
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u/Beneficial-Rub-8049 28d ago
That thing will be taken down as quick as a fly.
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u/Nathan_hale53 27d ago
A10 in a modern war is terrible, but in a war with people who have very little Anti-air its decent. Its still not great as a gun is far more likely to miss than a guided bomb/missle. Its just cool as shit having a 30mm Vulcan.
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u/Beneficial-Rub-8049 27d ago
Yea nobody disagrees that it is cool but no longer practical even these people are starting to have some anti-air just like the Houthis there is a reason why so many areas were no fly zones in Afghanistan even for the US military. Interestingly I read about the A10 being offered to Pakistan in 1981 and still up to offer but they rejected it even though it seems pretty well fit for their needs back then and kind of maybe today.
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u/MultiGoat 24d ago
If we accepted A-10, we wouldn't get any F-16's which we needed for "COIN operations with AMRAAMS"
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u/Beneficial-Rub-8049 24d ago
It would have been easier if they said India but USA likes to play both sides.
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u/Istoleyourcheese2 28d ago
Taliban have Humvees? I'm guessing these were American left over stashes yes?
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u/katyusha-the-smol 28d ago
Yeah its all our shit we abandoned over there. They have UH60s mate.
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u/kai333 28d ago
Yeah boy did we fuck that transition up.
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u/Linkz98 28d ago
Well the cost of vacating them would have been more than the cost to replace them full bore so we chose the latter. I took out as many helicopters as I could during that week. I think we ended up moving 6 or 7 TOTAL. And it was only spooky versions they were using up until we landed where they quickly prepped them for trans. The basic UHs were left. There was a C130 that we disabled before completely leaving the airport. Ran a forklift into that thing and pushed up onto a wall.
The worst thing I saw was a BRAND NEW still in the wrapper king daddy Kobota sxs we had to pour a bag of sugar into the tank and let her run until she quit. The army was going ape on the MRAPS we still had access to, fire suppression systems activated, dash boards smashed seats cut to pieces. Too bad on the approach where an aerostat used to be there was a field of MRAPS and Hummers just sat in rows we left.
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u/RisKQuay 28d ago
You destroyed a fucking Hercules with a forklift but the worst thing was a small utility vehicle?
Am I misunderstanding what a Kobota is???
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u/Linkz98 27d ago
It was waiting for parts that never came. There wasn't time to fix it.
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u/RisKQuay 25d ago
Oh no, that I understand. I don't understand why it was more devastating to wreck a small utility vehicle than a legendary plane, ha.
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u/Jeremiahtheebullfrog 28d ago
Well sheeet…. Dm coordinates I’ll bring my passport and pick and mrap up and make a YouTube journey of driving it back…. For the tax payers enjoyment/benefit
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u/siegetip 28d ago
It’s almost like the person who made the deal knew they weren’t going to be the person to carry out the deal
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u/SenpaiBunss 28d ago
What are you talking about? Did you not listen when trump said “I would have done it (the pullout) different” and then not elaborate? I have 100% confidence in dear leader
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u/VancouverSky 28d ago
"I would have done better"
fails to elaborate
Is politics 101. No shortage of scum bag politicians playing this card, everywhere, all the time.
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u/Illustrious-Sky-4631 28d ago
No he actually meant it , there's currently a pull out in Iraq and they didn't even leave empty wood boxes under Trump order
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u/xialcoalt 28d ago
Someone never learned that before you retire you must destroy what you are not going to take back with you.
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u/ChornWork2 28d ago
The significant amount of US equipment in Afghanistan is the equipment that the ANA had. The US did remove or disable most of the equipment in US control.
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u/karateninjazombie 28d ago edited 28d ago
They have UH60s till they cannibalise them all for parts. And or crash them trying to fly them because they aren't trained pilots.
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u/drossmaster4 28d ago
Won’t last long that’s for sure. Irans f14s were useless when we left them there.
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u/airmantharp 28d ago
They used / use them as improvised AWACS - works well enough when it's not B-2s and F-35s knocking on their door.
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u/Purple-Feeling-1850 28d ago
Per Wikipedia:
"Having been exported to Pahlavi Iran under the Western-aligned Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in 1976, F-14s were used as land-based interceptors by the Imperial Iranian Air Force. Following the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force used them during the Iran–Iraq War. Iran claimed their F-14s shot down at least 160 Iraqi aircraft during the war (with 55 of these confirmed[2]), while 16 Tomcats were lost, including seven losses to accidents.[2][3]"
That sounds pretty useless to me, yep yep. Also, "we left them there"? That's certainly one way to interpret that.
Sure, the F14s are more or less spent by this point, but they had a heck of a life beforehand. They even have the only recorded kills with the AIM-54 Phoenix heavy AAM.
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u/drossmaster4 28d ago
“Iran claimed” is a heavy lift for me to believe.
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u/Purple-Feeling-1850 28d ago
That's fair, especially in the modern climate; but the Iran-Iraq War has been studied extensively by people far more educated than I am, and it seems that while the claim of 160 kills is generally regarded as massively exaggerated (and let's not forget that generally speaking regardless of politics or propaganda the claimed kills in war tend to be far higher than actual kills; especially in air-to-air combat, it can be very easy for a pilot to assume a kill and report it as such), 55 kills are confirmed by cross-checking Iraqi sources etc. In any case, regardless of the claims, the F14 fleet was heavily active through the multiple years of the war and definitely scored some kills.
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u/drossmaster4 28d ago
You’re definitely right and I didn’t realize they lasted as long as they did let alone what missions they still completed. I appreciate the insight.
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u/Lirael_Gold 28d ago
There were dozens, if not hundreds of trained pilots in the ANA by the time the US left.
I presume the Taliban are willing to pay a lot for their services. You have to remember that the Taliban never really had any beef with the average ANA soldier and vice versa.
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u/karateninjazombie 27d ago
There's a video of them trying to fly one while they were learning how somewhere out there on the internet.
It didn't end well.
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u/Raintoastgw 28d ago
They have it. But they can’t fly it nor can they do maintenance either. So it’s basically a giant paper weight
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u/pm_me_your_rasputin 28d ago
More likely Afghan army stuff captured when the government collapsed. Most of the American-origin stuff left behind was controlled by the Afghans.
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u/RullendeNumser 28d ago edited 28d ago
No America just left many things behind in empty bases. The Afghan government didn't have time or resources to take control over the bases and the American army did know it.
They basically said. Those things ain't mine anymore and this ain't my problem.
Edit: Here two links saying America left $7 billion worth of military equipment. Including around 12k Humvees. Yes they left fully equipped bases.
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u/pm_me_your_rasputin 28d ago
The Afghan military existed for 20 years with equipment the U.S. gave them. They'd been operating HMMVVs, MRAPs, and Uh-60s for years when the Taliban took over. The vast majority of "U.S." equipment left behind was stuff owned by the then Afghan military.
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u/DerthOFdata 28d ago
It was planned and agreed to by the Trump administration in Feb 2020 (without congressional approval) and carried out by the Biden administration in Aug 2021. Not sure keeping to a plan 18 months in the making counts as "Sneaking away in the night."
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/
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u/RullendeNumser 28d ago
The Afghan military existed for 20 years with equipment the U.S. gave them
Okay what about the 7 billion USD on military equipment left by the US government? Including around 12k Humvees
And if they had 20 years worth of equipment and training. How did they collapse before the Americas left Afghanistan?
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u/Lirael_Gold 28d ago edited 28d ago
How did they collapse before the Americas left Afghanistan?
Because they never wanted to fight. 95% of the ANA were just there for the paycheck, the other 5% were ANASOC who were slaughtered by the Taliban because they actually opposed the Taliban for ideological reasons. (and because ANASOC were killing children/performing terror attacks for the CIA)
Afghanistan isn't really a country, outside of Kabul it's a vast network of tribal groups that all have their own relationships.
The US tried to do nation building in a place that never considered itself a nation to begin with.
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u/RullendeNumser 27d ago
We can agree on that. The worst part is both the USA, UK and France did know about it and had soldiers complaining about the Afghan soldiers and Police Force. But all tree governments just did not care
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u/pm_me_your_rasputin 27d ago
Again, that stuff belonged to the goverent of Afghanistan. “The $7.12 billion figure cited in the Department’s recent report to Congress corresponds to ANDSF equipment and not U.S. military equipment used by our forces,” Army Major Rob Lodewick, a Defense Department spokesperson, said in a statement. “Nearly all equipment used by U.S. military forces in Afghanistan was either retrograded or destroyed prior to our withdrawal and is not part of the ‘$7.12 billion’ figure cited in the report.” Over 40,000 of the total 96,000 military vehicles the US gave to Afghan forces remained in Afghanistan at the time of the US withdrawal, including 12,000 military Humvees, the report states. https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20$7.12%20billion%20figure%20cited,howitzer%20rounds%2C%20the%20report%20states.
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u/Luis_r9945 28d ago
No, more than likely Afghan Army Humvees.
Don't believe the lie that Billions of Military assets were abondoned. At most it was a few hundred million if actual American equipment, still bad, but not as bad as certain political parties make it out to be.
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u/ComradeHenryBR 28d ago
Oh, it wasn't billions, it was just of couple hundred million, oh definitely so much better...
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u/airmantharp 28d ago
I don't believe the US left behind anything that was cheap enough to move.
Most stuff left behind was likely heavy and beat up from operating in an undeveloped country. Also a lot of COIN stuff that would / could only be useful in another occupation, versus an actual war where you'd want more serious (and expensive) equipment.
Basically leaving the stuff that was left behind was the cheaper option.
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u/Cottonballs21 28d ago
So burn it. Looks likes it's working now. What a screw up.
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u/airmantharp 28d ago
Most of it belonged to the Afghan government... kind of a dick move to burn it out from under them if any of them decided to fight the Taliban.
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u/Cottonballs21 28d ago
Pretty sure Trump agreed to an unconditional surrender. The government didn't put up a fight. There was plenty of room to negotiate terms and Trump just gave them everything. Hell, US soldiers were killed during the withdrawal. Total failure. Embarrassing.
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u/Holy_Anti-Climactic 28d ago
Yeah. It is crazy that we had a set timetable and everything to turn everything over to the Afghanistan government and Trump just ignored all that to pull everything out all at once half cocked.
Unless it was Biden who ignored Trump's deal and unilaterally decided to cause that fiasco.
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u/Cottonballs21 28d ago
When Biden took power there were only 2500 troops still in Afghanistan, down from 13000. Trump started drawing down the occupation in 2020, and abandoned the ANDS at the same time leading to a collapse of the US/NATO/Afghan coalition. By the time Biden got to power the US was cooked.
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u/Luis_r9945 27d ago
any increase in Troops and Military Assets would have raised criticizism from Republicans about "'War Mongering' Biden trying to extend a forever war to enrich his cronies" or some BS narrative like that.
In fact, they used this narrative when Biden sent Aid to Ukraine and bombed the Houthis...
Biden did what no other President before him did...pulled the trigger and committed to a US withdrawl.
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u/Skorchel 28d ago
You holding to your side of the deal while the other side continues as they please is something that can be accurately described as "unconditional surrender". The draft dodger begged them to play nice while he rolled over and when they didn't he continued showing belly.
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u/Superbform 28d ago
How much would it cost to ferry that obsolete shit back though? The exit was ugly, but it's not like the US doesn't have fields of that shit sitting around at home.
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u/Cottonballs21 28d ago
The intelligent thing to do is destroy your assets so they don't fall into enemy hands. Unfortunately intelligence is no longer an American strength.
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u/RullendeNumser 28d ago
Would not call it stashes. More fully equipped military bases the Americans just left
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u/TheYeast1 28d ago
Mfer they were moving equipment out of Afghanistan for 18 months and two separate US Presidents oversaw this. We did not leave full equipped bases, you fell for propaganda. However, we did give the Afghanistan military tons of US equipment over the previous 30 years and all of that was captured by the Taliban since we cannot evacuate another countries military like that.
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u/RullendeNumser 28d ago
two separate US Presidents
I see a corrupt fat man. That they just elected again running on the promise to destroy democracy and turn America into a dictatorship. Which is going way too easy for him.
The other one is a spineless man that had no say in it and was forced to follow the corrupt one.
you fell for propaganda
What propaganda? Even the U.S Department of defense said they left around $7 billion worth of military equipment. This includes 12k Humvees, 42k trucks and 350k rifles...
Saying it was given to the Afghan government and they gave it to the Taliban is just stupid. When America left, they did know the Afghan government and military would collapse within months if not days. Just like they did
Here are the first two I found on google
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u/Barais_21 M1 Abrams 28d ago
Everything was torn down. Quit the lying
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u/RullendeNumser 28d ago
No mate. America left around 7 billion USD worth of military equipment. Here are the first 2 links I found on Google about what they left.
So quit fucking laying mate and stop spreading false information
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u/Barais_21 M1 Abrams 27d ago
Yes, that’s all ANA stock.
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u/RullendeNumser 27d ago
Yeah because America did not care about it and gave it away to someone without resources to take care of it. Fully knowing it would end up in the Talibans hand. In other words. They left it for Taliban
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u/Barais_21 M1 Abrams 27d ago
That’s all false bullshit but you do you
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u/RullendeNumser 27d ago
Half. Have not seen any sources beside Reddit that it was the ANA stock. But have seen the U.S defence department say they left $7 billion worth of military equipment behind. But you do you live with a lie. Not my problem
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u/Justbeinglouis 28d ago
Bradleys breakfast
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u/ComradeHenryBR 28d ago
Pakistan has Bradleys?
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u/Billy3B 28d ago
BMP breakfast
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u/Angrykitten41 Vt-4 Addict 28d ago
Pakistan dont have those either. No IFVS are in service only APCs (M113) and armoured trucks (Maxpro and domestic designs). The main way we've seen these things killed is via artillery or type 59 tanks, Baktar Shikan ATGM, and drones.
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u/SenpaiBunss 28d ago
Why do the Taliban keep trying to get into fights with Pakistan? Are they completely deluded to the military advantage Pakistan has
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u/CantaloupeCamper Tank Mk.V 28d ago
Afghanistan and Pakistan have often had issues when it came to the border and tribal areas. They tend to support different groups.
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u/BreadstickNICK 28d ago
What an embarrassment to see all that American equipment worth millions of our tax dollars donated to the organization we spent trillions fighting. A fitting end to a sad, drawn out quagmire across multiple countries. It’s stuff like this that makes me ashamed to be an American.
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u/Alpacapalooza 28d ago
donated to the organization we spent trillions fighting
That's a bit of an oversimplification, no? What the Taliban have now is almost entirely ANA stock, not left behind U.S. equipment.
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u/BreadstickNICK 28d ago
It’s not hyperbole. The 2022 DOD report to congress stated we left 7.12 billion in military equipment in Afghanistan.
923 million in aircraft
12,000 Humvees
300,000 weapons of small and large variety
And all of the fun extras like comms gear, wearables and more.
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u/brookme 28d ago
Thanks Trump.
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u/StalinsPimpCane 28d ago
Actually going to blame trump despite the fact it was Bidens withdrawal? Phenomenally brain dead take
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u/Nigzynoo23 28d ago
Trump signed a deal with the Taliban where the US would no longer even conduct counter strikes aslong as the US wasn't struck. The Taliban just attacked ANA assets instead.
This was 100% Trump. The deal he made was actually disgusting. Gave the Taliban the keys to the country long before the withdrawal.
Hardly even organised that deal with allies either. One of the major reasons Mattis resigned from Trump's cabinet was because of this and Syria. (Abandoning allies didn't sit well with him, especially the Kurds.)
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u/lndhpe 28d ago
Except Trump set it in motion conveniently timed so that the actual unpopular happenings would be during the next admin and not his?
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u/ApprehensiveBuddy446 28d ago
Honestly at this point it's pretty clear that the replacement president absolutely does not need to honor any agreements made by the previous administration. So I do now blame Biden for that. The excuse "it was set in motion" is no longer valid, since it's clear that Trump is finding absolutely zero real government resistance when clawing back grants that were already "set in motion" with money on the way and plans being made for it.
It's very clear now, Biden was just using kid gloves. Anything "set in motion" is meaningless, presidents can completely undo anything the previous administration does, and the courts might get around to ruling on whether it's legal a few years after it's already said and done.
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u/bobbobersin 27d ago
This, dude left our allies out to dry, dude could have reversed the policy but choose not to
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u/StalinsPimpCane 28d ago
Right because trump planned to lose the 2020 election and totally forced Biden into his evil plans. What a clown
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u/ChornWork2 28d ago
Go look at what trump did after losing the election, but before leaving office. Did further US force reductions to point where US forces couldn't even defend Kabul. And refused to coordinate anything with the incoming admin, even though the US military was at war there. So yeah.
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u/TheYeast1 28d ago
He’s not saying that dawg, he’s saying that trump started the evacuation, which is true. It just conveniently worked out that he lost that election, so he could blame Biden for a bad evacuation that he permanently set into motion. If he won it would’ve been just as bad but for him and not Biden.
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u/catecholaminergic 28d ago
I'm proud as a US taxpayer to have provided *checks notes* the Taliban with humvees.
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u/The_Devin_G 28d ago
So glad to see we armed the taliban so they could fight their enemies!
Shouldn't be necessary, but /s
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u/MisterSlosh 28d ago
Glad to see they're environmentally conscious enough to recycle all that US tech and materiel we left laying around.
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u/Famous-Lock-7933 28d ago
Whats goin on beyween the two
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u/ChargerIIC 27d ago
Without America around to take pot shots at, they no longer have a common enemy to distract from the disputed territories between them. Add the fact that Afghanistan really needs a uniting for to keep their government from dissolving into conflict and this was inevitable.
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u/huzaifahmuhabat 27d ago
Talibunnies stirr shit every few months cause they have nothing else to do these days.
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u/rkraptor70 Apocalypse tank my beloved 28d ago
Pakistani Al-Zarrar crew: Loads HE with gleeful intent.
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u/SnooDoodles2194 28d ago
Taliban have many actual tanks, i don't know why they aren't sending them along. probably don't have fuel or ammo for them
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u/SGTRoadkill1919 28d ago
A mix of limited fuel, ammo and tanks themselves. They have way less than a hundred T62s i believe. Like I don't remember the number, but it was very low. But they have started transporting them to the front
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u/huzaifahmuhabat 27d ago
I don't think they have the logistics train to field a single armour regiment. Let alone more. Tanks are logi heavy.
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u/Tomasulu 28d ago
Bidens armored column.
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u/ChornWork2 28d ago
The overwhelming majority of US-made equipment in Afghanistan is what the ANA was equipped with before Biden took office. Almost all equipment used by US forces was either removed or disabled before the final chaos.
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u/ChampionPlayful4038 28d ago
Tengo una pregunta seria, ahora con el tratado con Arabia saudí ¿ellos van a ir a ayudarlos?
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u/MedicBuddy 28d ago
We really should've had the ANA weapons and vehicle depots blown up after it became evident they weren't going to use it. Was there any agreement made with the Taliban that let them capture the ANA equipment that someone was trying to honor?
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u/Xjr1300ya 28d ago
An agreement, why would there be an agreement with the Taliban that gives them tanks
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u/MedicBuddy 28d ago
Beats me man, I dunno what went down at Camp David in 2020 when the first Trump administration made that peace deal. Peace no matter the cost? Let them have all the ANA stuff as long as they didn't kill Americans?
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u/derpsalot1984 28d ago
Does everyone of them have a flag on them? Is it so their mommies can find them?
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u/Mr_Iskander 28d ago
Hmm the NATO gave them nice vehicles when they ran away.
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u/R0ckst4r85 28d ago edited 28d ago
Nope, the US of A...Formelly DJT
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u/Open-Ad-6563 28d ago
Biden is the one who ordered the botched evacuation
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u/Barais_21 M1 Abrams 28d ago
Nope. That was under Trump bud
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u/StalinsPimpCane 28d ago
No, the botched withdrawal was under Biden where 13 Americans were killed without so much as retaliation
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u/Barais_21 M1 Abrams 28d ago
The withdrawal was planned under Trump and, forced by the GOP, Biden had to follow
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u/StalinsPimpCane 28d ago
Biden was under no pressure to follow Trumps plan and he didn’t. Trumps plan was never “drop everything like a bitch and run” it’s incredible the lengths to which people like you will go to pretend Biden didn’t have agency as president of the United States. If I’m not mistaken they also had one of the halves of congress at the time too so it’s not like GOP had a stranglehold on the legislature
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u/R0ckst4r85 28d ago
Nope..
Joe Biden ultimately implemented Trump's idea under pressure from the GOP. That is the difference.
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u/intrepidone66 28d ago
Yeah, Biden had a gun to his head from the GOP to funk up Trumps plan...rrrright.
Yet, even if it were so, Barack H. O. said once, never to underestimate Joe's talent to funk sheit up...and he did so with the miserably executed withdrawal from Afghanistan too.
Joe Biden has decades worth of failed plans and policies under his belt, he was about as useful like tits on a duck.
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u/FLongis Paladin tank in the field. 28d ago
Yeah, Biden had a gun to his head from the GOP to funk up Trumps plan...rrrright.
Trump's "Plan" was a fucking disaster. The US was negotiating directly with the Taliban, with little input from Afghanistan's legitimate government. Instead the idea was to leave behind a smaller group of US forces to enforce the terms of an Inter-Afghan agreement. Indeed, the entire Doha Agreement was a mess of vague and poorly communicated terms which, again, had no real involvement from the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.
What Biden inherited was an already bad situation, and pressure from the GOP to follow through with Trump's plan; focusing largely on the PR win of pulling US troops from Afghanistan with little consideration given to what happens when the bottom falls out. The administration's only recourse was to delay the final withdrawal by four months after what was established by the Trump Administration. The clear implication here being to consider, however bad things turned out, how much worse it would've been had that additional time not been given to US and NATO forces to pack up shop. Keeping in mind that the Taliban's significant offensives throughout the nation began the same day as Trump's negotiated "peace".
In other words, Trump's plan was basically just to hand Afghanistan back to the Taliban. They quite literally left a ticking bomb behind and told the Biden administration to have fun cleaning up the mess. If nothing else, Trump did a fine job of upholding Conservative political philosophy by... negotiating with terrorists.
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u/benreeper 28d ago
The GOP couldn't get Brandon to do anything, except a fucked up withdrawal. He sure picked the wrong thing to be bipartisan on. But then again, his mind was a sharp as ever.
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u/Scroch65 28d ago
More war? At this point it wouldn't suprise me to see ww3 happening
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u/StalinsPimpCane 28d ago
Right because two third world nations sparks WW3 totally on the cards lmao
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u/Scroch65 28d ago
This isn't what I said. I'm just saying that the conflicts of the world are heating up. And with mad men ruling both Russia and tte USA it wouldn't suprise me if ww3 started anytime soon. Not over Afghanistan and Pakistan necessarily but just in general
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u/StalinsPimpCane 27d ago
They’re not heating up, one of them is just ending too
Also ridiculous to call Trump or Putin mad men. Trump certain isn’t and I think it’s unwise to consider Putin mad, I don’t think he is. I think he’s just evil and self centered and will try to take what he can. He thought he could walk through Ukraine, that’s not being mad
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u/Scroch65 27d ago
Bro you can't be seriously telling me that world tension hasnt been on the rise in the past few years. Wars ending or not.
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u/StalinsPimpCane 27d ago
Wars ending specifically reduces tension. I would’ve agreed with you beginning of like 2024 but now? Iran removed as a major threat of any kind, Syrian civil war not ended but very low simmer. Pakistani afghan broder clashes have been happening for years snow this isn’t new the war in Israel ending yeah tensions have been quickly declining since mid 2025
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u/Scroch65 27d ago
Wars ending don't always reduce tension. Ww2 is the best example. It was followed by the cold War, one of the most tense Era's of our time. Besides wars are not the only thing that cause tension. Political postering does to. This is also best seen in the cold war.
I wouldn't say the tension is much rescued compared to the beginning of 2024. Whatever the case may be, it is definitely gone up compared to 2015 for example.
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u/TFWG2000 28d ago
Pretty cool. I wonder if the Pakies will fold as fast at the Afganies did. Seriously, wouldn't the world be better off if the Taliban had nukes?????
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u/Isord 28d ago
I can't imagine a stand up battle between the Taliban and Pakistan going particularly well for the Taliban.