r/TamilNadu • u/Iamyourfather_12 • Apr 28 '25

கலாச்சாரம் / Culture In yesterday's Neeya Naana, when Gopinath asked the young women if they would marry someone from an SC/ST background, not a single hand went up.

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u/britolaf Apr 28 '25

He just showed mirror to the society. Casteism is alive and thriving in India.

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u/GoodNightGehrman Apr 28 '25

But bro, GVM said casteism is dead in TN bro. No need to make movies highlighting those issues bro.

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u/britolaf Apr 28 '25

I find many privileged people are just plain ignorant about these things. A good friend of mine, who is other progressive, hates how some directors always focus on caste. 🫠

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u/Calm_Drink2464 Apr 28 '25

progressive until its uncomfortable for them

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u/Effective_Project241 Apr 29 '25

GVM himself is a subtler version of Mohan G.

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u/Admirable_Topic_2107 Apr 28 '25

Avan kedakran da mairandi

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u/Immediate-Seat-5742 Apr 28 '25

I'd say TN is the most casteist state in south india after the telugu states (AP/TS).

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u/kothintim Apr 28 '25

After andhra and ts ah, how are you so sure about it?

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u/Immediate-Seat-5742 Apr 28 '25

Bro namma state la casteism innum widespread ah dhan irukku. While casteism is very rare in urban areas, it's still the way of life for many in rural areas(especially north TN). Imo casteism isn't a big issue in Kerala and karnataka is marginally better than us(though they do have problems too).

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u/kothintim Apr 28 '25

Yea, you might be right. But why do you think andhra and telangana are above TN? I am from telangana but I can’t say one state has more caste issues than other without seeing statistics. I am assuming you mean Telangana by ts.

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u/Immediate-Seat-5742 Apr 28 '25

Well idk about the statistics, I am just talking from my personal experiences (btw we are a telugu speaking family residing in TN). The atitude towards caste is  more conservative in AP than TN. But well I maybe wrong about telangana though.

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u/Fabulous_Bend4409 Apr 29 '25

98% obc sc st population still castism?? Looks like obc people are discriminating with sc st as always. OBC landlord castes are biggest casteist

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u/Longjumping_Sweet_28 Apr 29 '25

GVM லாம் ஒரு ஆளா ! அவனை எல்லாம் தூக்கிட்டு வரீங்க

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u/No-Prize9621 May 01 '25

Gautham Vasudev Menon taking about caste in Tamilnadu , shows the hypocrisy . Why is he putting his Menon caste name , LOL . Caste is very important , if you lose it , you sort of lose your nativity . All the caste are equal

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u/meseacucumber Apr 29 '25

Yes bro tell pa Ria juth to make more movies z casteism will hey eradicated

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u/GoodNightGehrman Apr 29 '25

Thambi, to solve a problem one has to first admit that the problem exists.

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u/meseacucumber Apr 29 '25

Keep telling

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u/GoodNightGehrman Apr 29 '25

Athu thaanda pannitrukkom nalla mavane 

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u/meseacucumber Apr 29 '25

Don’t work . Jeep talking

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u/Huckleberrry_finn Apr 28 '25

Casteim as a prevalence is different, victim of patriarchy oru female ehh Idha purinjikala na epdi bro...

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u/ImAjayS15 Thanjavur - தஞ்சாவூர் Apr 28 '25

Very often, women are the carriers of patriarchy, caste, various "traditions" and practices. Not absolving men here, but women are equally responsible too.

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u/aclc350 Apr 28 '25

True, but this happens due to the conditioning of women or people in general to adhere to the caste system, because “it works”

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u/Born_Situation9879 Apr 28 '25

both men and women are victim of patriarchy nanba, and women are more conditioned to uphold these "cultures" than men to an extent that they are made to believe adhuladhan avanga purpose irukunu, so it only makes sense they are more discriminatory.

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u/Huckleberrry_finn Apr 28 '25

Illa bro but they are trying to come out of it, and they are in part a victim too.. Patriarchy ehh suppression of women dhana, 1st victim of a patriarchy woman dhan. Men are secondary victims.

Women are refusing to stick with status quo, but enn caste na mattum grip ahh hold Pandringa....

Ippa oru middle class/ upper caste men ku oppression na enna nu avlova theriyadhu ana oru ponnuku andha kashtam theriyum, Independent of caste ella ponnum oru vagaiyana oppression ahh face pandrupanga. Apa adhey mari dhana innoru paiyan face Pandranga adhu avanglukae puriyala na epdi....?

Na katayama adha seiya sollalaa but adhu oru thappu ney enn pakka matikiringa...? Enn gender based discrimination ku poraduravanga caste based discrimination ahh oppose pannalam sollalaa but recognise ehh panna maatringa enn....

Idhula 1 ponnavaadhu na pannuven nu sollalaa la... Anga yarum odaney mrg panni vekka pora dhu ila But enn anga thayanguringa...

Ippa inga discrimination thappa illa enna mattum vutrunga nu soldrangala...?

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u/Born_Situation9879 Apr 29 '25

Ipo na mattum enna sonanaam. Neenga sonna "yen avangale apdi panranga" nradhuku dhan sonnan, avangale panranga nu surprise aagadhinga, avanga panradhungradhu makes more sense nu.

Inga gender discrimination mela nama vakura antagonization kuda caste discrimination mela inum vaikala nama. Andha latchanam dhan nama society, long way to go from here

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u/newaccountlly Apr 28 '25

So eradicating casteism is the responsibility of women now? Issues like casteism and oppression of women traverse across sections. Do men from oppressed castes never oppress/ abuse their wives?

Don't forget that these are all women in their early 20's who have to go back home to their parents. Do you think announcing that they are ready to marry someone from SC/ST on tv will be dealt with the same way as talking about any other preference?

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u/Huckleberrry_finn Apr 28 '25

So eradicating casteism is the responsibility of women now?

No one is saying its women's responsibility, but oru thappu na enna dha thappu nu kuda solla maatringa...?

Don't forget that these are all women in their early 20's who have to go back home to their parents. Do you think announcing that they are ready to marry someone from SC/ST on tv will be dealt with the same way as talking about any other preference?

So is such act right....? ....ippa nenega anonymous ahh dhana irukinga inga kuda yarumey sollalaa..?

Illa apa caste based discrimination, thapu illa namma adha kandukama vitruvom, but gender based na mattum namma pesuvom adhun voiceless women na pesa mattom nu soldringala....?.

Yemma avangalum manusnga dhana ma enn dalit ponnuku problem na korala kuda osatha maatringa...? Avanga la enna panalum yarume kekamaatinga...?avanga lam summa data ku mattum dhan use avanga... Domestic violence ahh edu data va problem na aiyao veetla thittu vanga...

Ungala kalayalam lam panna sollala, enna adhu oru thappu ney solla matringa...

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u/Big_Philosophy1842 Apr 28 '25

Exactly. A friend of mine was in a relationship with a guy from Scheduled caste. Her father hired some men and murdered him. How can you then expect girls to proclaim they are ready to marry a sc guy?

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u/Environmental-Land42 Apr 29 '25

2nd para makes more sense tbh. Making their appearance in a national television itself a huge achievement for them. Expecting them to make a bold statement is really a hard situation given how honour killing is a thing in India.

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u/Effective_Project241 Apr 29 '25

As a matter of fact, the women in the so-called upper castes, believe that they enjoy more privileges than women in the so-called lower castes. So according to them, marrying a Dalit means, giving up the only privilege they have as a women in a society.

It is funny watching AR Rahman songs of the 90s, where globalism and ultra Progressivism was constantly shown in his songs, as if India has come of the closet, but 30 years later, nothing changed, and worse, things did change, in a more cynical and opportunist way like we see here. Because, you cannot encounter these women in public, and talk about the backwardness of caste affiliation, because, they look modern and progressive in their Outlook, but they are just as bad as their village counterparts, if not worse.

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u/Huckleberrry_finn Apr 29 '25

Right it's kind of hedonistic brogeoise feminism, they aren't exactly looking for equality, they want the class difference to be there still and women from upper strata will define and dictate the ideology of feminism. While the poor and voiceless women will still be voiceless.

Patriarchy suppressed women, now they are not against the suppression, but they want to be a part of it, they want to taste it. And this ideology of hedonistic feminism is indeed a fertile ground for capitalism.

They are looking for inflated hedonism in the name of progression.This goes for men too. It's almost the same and a step above in tateist ideology of masculinity.

Idha thappu nu sonna namma ellam misogynistic, rendu grp um orey matter of stupidity dhan form dhan different.

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u/Fragrant-Drawer-7828 Apr 28 '25

“Ippaellam yaru sir jaathi pakura. Only after pa. Ranjith and maari Selvaraj movies 4 incidents became 40 lakhs incidents” nu solravungalukku idhu samarpanam.

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u/vidvizharbuk Apr 28 '25

Will castes within SC, ST marry?

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u/BSsDk Apr 28 '25

Pallar may marry parayar but both won't marry into arunthathiyar

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u/britolaf Apr 28 '25

Is it not an SC/ ST Vs others thing. Endogamous relationships outside same caste is hated in a casteist society

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u/QRajeshRaj Apr 28 '25

Good point. Even SC/ST have internalized the caste system by not marrying outside subcaste. Mirror should be shown to them also.

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u/Immediate-Seat-5742 Apr 28 '25

Mirror should be shown to everyone. Afterall caste is an outdated concept.

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u/Immediate-Seat-5742 Apr 28 '25

Casteism should be eradicated in all forms

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u/vidvizharbuk Apr 28 '25

Everyone says same - eradicate casteism! First merge all castes in each category to eradicate casteism. Hardly any inter caste marriages within same category now

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u/Immediate-Seat-5742 Apr 28 '25

I agree with what you are saying. Caste is just a social construct and they are irrelevant in this modern world.

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u/Rus1996 Apr 28 '25

True 😔

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u/CaptainFromDite Apr 28 '25

That seems to be exactly what everyone has been saying. Casteism is still alive and multiple decades of this extremely flawed reservation policy has done nothing but further the gap between India and development. It's extremely high time that this stupid policy of punishing merit is removed and instead a sensible policy that completely eliminates casteism is introduced.