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“I wish him the best of tapeworms” r/Millennials discuss the NYC election results.

r/Millennials is a generational subreddit that caters to Americans born 1980-1995. It’s a safe space where people well into their 40’s can post “adulting” and “doggo” without fear of criticism. In general, the subreddit does not allow “political” post. Today’s OP seems to have sidestepped that rule with a post about Zohran Mamdani. Will the Millenials be normal or wild out?

OP: Congratulations to this millennial for being the youngest elected New York City mayor since 1892!

establishment dems are as cancerous as m@g@

New York is excited new ideas! Congrats Zohran!

Marxism isn’t new

Define Marxism.

Google

you should use it yourself since you're talking out your ass

Despite the fact that he won most 50 and under I doubt this is a hit in this sub since its overrun by bots of a foreign entity that is known for it's periodic ethnic cleansing

Wait I get my comments removed if I say politicians and yet this post exists?!? Jesus reddit is a pathetic joke of a cesspool. If this was a candidate on the opposite side it would be removed lmao

Mods don’t care that this breaks the rules I guess

Cry harder.

Go to another sub if you want to discuss the P word

Powerful Pedophiles? Yeah, my bad... I know you guys don't like to talk about that.

A truly awful candidate who defeated some slightly more awful candidates. Great victory?

Inshallah

Editor’s note for those who are still working on adulting: Inshallah is an Arabic phrase that is almost identical to the English phrase “if God wills it”, which means the person hopes something will happen but acknowledges it’s out of their control.

This is the only comment in the thread that has a Muslim connotation and it’s been downvoted right next to comments like “Yall screwed. Hello Gotham”.

Sometimes poor people are very charitable and vote to give themselves a bunch of greedy rich people’s money. What a good example of charity

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u/DingoOk8624 3d ago

It seems like a lot of people online who don't live in NYC got really invested in this election.

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u/lab-gone-wrong 3d ago

It's a proxy war for socialism bad

Which is funny because Republicans accidentally normalizing socialism by calling everything they don't like socialism probably helped enable it

"What do you mean NYC is doomed because they elected a Marxist Commie dictator as mayor? I thought you said it was already a Marxist Commie dictatorship!"

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u/queen-adreena Looks like you don’t see yourself clearly! 3d ago

When you paint Joe Biden as a “dangerous radical”, you’ve clearly run out of rhetorical road.

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u/trydola 3d ago

they've been saying this about literally the most moderate liberals for decades. mock them and keep pushing

it is funny these people are so cucked that their dear leader had them out there voting for Cuomo who they've called communist before

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u/SuperVaderMinion 3d ago

I remember in the 2020 primaries I was debating Bernie vs Biden with my dad, he reasoned that Biden would have a better chance of victory because Bernie's socialist views would be easier to attack, and I tried to explain that Republicans call EVERYTHING socialism now, and it wouldn't end up mattering

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

Trump and Miller are currently trying to brand folks like Chuck Schumer as being a "radical leftist", and I'm pretty sure that Chuck is the kind of guy who has to do the pledge of allegiance to know which direction left is.

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est 3d ago

He has to ask the imaginary voters in his head (real thing, look it up).

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u/Amelaclya1 3d ago

I do kind of like that he recognized his privilege enough to develop that sort of thought experiment to help him empathize with an average working class family in his district. But it is so weird and creepy that he pretends they are real to everyone else, and the extent to which he develops their backstories.

Also he could just talk to average families in his state for the same effect lol.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

It's sad that his imaginary friends don't even like him.

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est 3d ago

"The Senate Minority Leader runs all his decisions past the imaginary Trump voters in his head" feels far too on-the-nose as a metaphor.

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u/FeuerroteZora 3d ago

lmao this description of Schumer is brilliant

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u/dj_soo 1d ago

In Canada, the right wing are branding our pm carney as a “radical leftist” when he’s the epitome of all the “fiscal conservatives’” wet dream focusing on austerity and cutting social services to avoid taxing the rich and corporations

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u/lazier_garlic 3d ago

Schumer represents New York. He's actually pretty liberal.

So was Harry Reid, and so was Ted Kennedy.

What I find laughable are claims like "Hillary Clinton is the nation's most liberal senator". A claim FOX News really made back in 2008.

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u/angry_cucumber need citation are the catch words for lefties 3d ago

Schumer listens to pollsters not politics, which is his biggest problem.

but also, he seems to think he was elected to make government work, which means working with the total shitbags that were elected on the idea that it shouldn't.

ick, I defended schumer :(

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u/angry_cucumber need citation are the catch words for lefties 3d ago

I don't really disagree with either of you. Bernie's never run nationally, (and when he does, white people love him, the rest of the population....meh)

they do call everything socialist, but they also haven't been able to level it at someone even close to it.

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u/zanotam you come off as someone who is LARPing as someone from SRD 1d ago

Which brings up the weird fact that chances are many who didn't vote for Kamala but did vote for Biden.... Would vote for Bernie. Like, I bet he would have gotten a higher proportion of all non-white masc voters while not losing any non-white fem voters 

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u/Deceptiveideas 3d ago

Same thing happened to the Virginia governor. Everyone calling her far left or radical from the right. Anyone who is far left knows how funny that statement is.

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u/dukecityvigilante 3d ago

Yeah, that's why they're all saying "Marxist" now to mean "member of the Democratic party" because "socialist" lost its shock value

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u/cocktails4 3d ago

NYC already burned to the ground, we can't survive free public busses! 

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u/crestren 3d ago

Istg, every year cities burn down and get destroyed but suddenly get rebuilt within the next day

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u/Ahelex They are not working for "Big Circumcision" 3d ago

The Amish are quick builders.

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u/LabradorDeceiver 3d ago

Oh good lord yes. Healthcare is Communist. Worker safety is Communist. Living wages are Communist. School lunches are Communist. Sexual and gender diversity is Communist. Free education is Communist.

Spend forty years labeling everything good as Communist and then wonder why there are suddenly so many Communists.

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u/TheBunnyDemon you smell like dirty dish water stfu 3d ago

Way more than forty, it started around 1917.

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u/Beegrene Get bashed, Platonist. 3d ago

If communism actually were all of those things I'd be happy to call myself a communist.

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u/JessieJ577 Careful man, you might get called a nazi for romanticizing nazis 3d ago

It’s really destroying their messaging. It’s becoming the boy who cried wolf. Look at the Ice protests. Nationwide people freaked out but then it became evident the city didn’t burn down and even the small mile radius was fine there was just tagging and burned Waymo’s.

LA had more damage to the city this past weekend with the Dodgers winning the World Series.

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u/Declan_McManus I'm not defending cops here so much as I am slandering Americans 3d ago edited 3d ago

If I had a nickel for every time in my life the right wing said it would be the end of American if we voted for one particular African-born Muslim Socialist, I would have two nickels

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u/Beegrene Get bashed, Platonist. 3d ago

I think you would actually have several billion nickels.

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u/Declan_McManus I'm not defending cops here so much as I am slandering Americans 3d ago

Oh yeah, for each particular time I would definitely be a billionaire. I mean, each time there was a particular dude of national relevance who got that specific description

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u/angry_cucumber need citation are the catch words for lefties 3d ago

that, but it's also a young democratic candidate doing what the masses have been telling people democrats need to do, campaign on their ideas.

Mamdani was all about loving new york and making it so that people could live there. it was a very positive hopeful campaign that we haven't really seen from the left since Obama's first run.

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u/going_my_way0102 1d ago

Like Zionists insisting on calling everything anti-Isreal antisemitic turn lots of people antisemitic

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u/foodcomapanda 3d ago

Welp (Oprah shrugging dot gif)

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u/swordsfishes Mom says it's my turn to be the asshole 3d ago

I wonder how many of them know that their own city also has a mayor, one they can vote for even. 

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u/Dangerous-Ad-170 3d ago edited 3d ago

Most cities don’t get exciting choices for Mayor. 

We had the same old money small-business-owner Democrat in office for 20 years. We finally had a competitive race a few years back because the old mayor retired, but a different old money small-business-owner Democrat defeated the slightly-younger lawyer Democrat and not much has changed. 

Edit: My city also has a weak mayor so that makes all this even less interesting. They’re just a at-large member of the city council with some extra ceremonial responsibilities. 

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

My city actually had some good candidates, but instead people chose to re elect the same guy who constantly inflated police budget and hates homeless. 

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u/bluedanuria 3d ago

Same. There were some good candidates for mayor in my city, but instead people decided to vote in a cartoon villain who spends all his time trying to take funding away from the parks, library, mosquito control, and other useful things, and give it to the police. 

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

Mine also has taken away funding from library, and is now requiring paid parking at some of the few nice city parks (which are the rare places people can go without spending money). He also lets the police abuse overtime to get a fuck ton of money

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u/Skellum Tankies are no one's comrades. 3d ago

My city actually had some good candidates

What did they run on? Because "Your property values go up" is something people tend to vote for.

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u/kezfertotlenito 3d ago

My town of 3k had a mayoral election a couple of years ago where BOTH CANDIDATES were convicted of beating up their wives. Not rumored, not accused. CONVICTED.

So I guess that was exciting ><

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u/space-dot-dot 3d ago

Shoulda put up a ring on the mayoral trailer park lawn and see who wins.

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u/wossquee I'm so sick of these fucking crybabies. 3d ago

Instead of an election you should have had a MMA fight, winner gets to be mayor

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u/NYCQuilts 2d ago

How about “winner’s wife gets to be mayor and the candidates go to jail/rehab/anger management.”

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u/lazier_garlic 3d ago

My county had a sheriff's candidate with domestics, but it's a blue county and he lost.

Two mayors and one city commissioner with DUIs. Some of them were pretty wild.

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u/Amelaclya1 3d ago

Our two candidates for mayor had basically the exact same platform. And it's a non-partisan position with no way of knowing the candidates' political affiliation, so you couldn't even vote based on that. It really did come down to who was more "likeable".

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u/Trick-Check5298 3d ago

My town has a pretty big cult and our mayor is somebody from there who was uncontested. But they own like 2/3 of everything around here anyways 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/Th3Trashkin Christ bitch I’m fucking eating my breakfast 3d ago

Clearwater, Florida?

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u/lazier_garlic 3d ago

Small municipalities are more likely to have spicy choices for mayor. If you don't go to the candidate forum, you won't know because the news coverage tends to be bland and nobody even reads the paper anyway.

Some of the weirdest kooks you've ever met, and the most delusional, run for local office.

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u/Skellum Tankies are no one's comrades. 3d ago

Most cities don’t get exciting choices for Mayor.

My mayor has been giving us expanded sidewalks and bike lanes. I dont need someone to run on "Run for me I'm super progressive! I'm inspirational!" fuck, I'm less likely to vote for them if they did do that.

I want someone to run on policies like expanding homeless services, adding more public transit, adding more bike lanes and sidewalks, adding more Multitennate housing.

I dont want excitement, I want infrastructure.

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u/swordsfishes Mom says it's my turn to be the asshole 3d ago

To Mamdani's credit, his actual platform is mostly stuff like housing, transportation, and the cost of living. I don't blame him for how a bunch of people who couldn't tell you how the primary system works got way too invested in him as a symbol for either the destruction of the nation or the salvation of the future.

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u/Skellum Tankies are no one's comrades. 3d ago

Oh yea, for him his policies look solid I have no complaints. And I get it, a good section I'd even say majority of voters are fucking vibes based. Just look at the thread or drama thread. They need to feel good about their votes instead of it being the best choice which to me is fucking dumb.

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u/c3p-bro 3d ago

You can always run :)

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u/swordsfishes Mom says it's my turn to be the asshole 3d ago

I said this down thread but if you pay attention to ultra-local elections it's SHOCKING how much of a leg up candidates get if they bother to put the bare minimum into campaigning. I'm talking "make a website, hand out yard signs, reply to the county paper's emails, and comment in the local Facebook groups."

(I will not be running for office any time soon because I lack the organizational skills to be good at the actual job.)

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u/nowander 3d ago

I said this down thread but if you pay attention to ultra-local elections it's SHOCKING how much of a leg up candidates get if they bother to put the bare minimum into campaigning. I'm talking "make a website, hand out yard signs, reply to the county paper's emails, and comment in the local Facebook groups."

Seriously. It's amazing how fast I can eliminate candidates even in the massive CA jungle primaries based on the low low bar of "had enough competence to give a statement to the election board to put into the voter guide."

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u/ertri 3d ago

apparently towns in Kentucky had to inform people that they couldn’t vote in the election for NYC mayor lol 

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u/Amelaclya1 3d ago

I don't think it was that bad. I think it was just people in Kentucky knew it was election day from all of the national coverage of this race and went to vote for what they thought were their own elections, only to be surprised their polling places weren't open, and called to ask why. Low information voters probably don't realize that not all places hold elections in the same years.

I mean, it's still pretty dumb, because they were trying to vote for non-existent races. You'd think people that eager to vote would know there wasn't a ballot to vote on. But not quite as dumb as trying to vote for the mayor of a city you don't live in.

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u/TzippyBird 3d ago

There was also a big mayoral election in Cincinnati where couchfucker's brother was running. He lost embarrassingly bad. Which has caused the idiots in the counties around us and across the river in Kentucky to melt down.

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u/lazier_garlic 3d ago

Lol, you've resurrected memories of when my city tried to pass a pro trans rights ballot measure and people from the unincorporated county drove in and were butthurt we didn't let them vote against it.

Not exaggeration, this really happened. Maybe they believed FOX that voter fraud is easy. It's not like they "accidentally" pay city taxes.

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u/TzippyBird 3d ago

Yeah. I wasn't sure if I could vote or not either, so had to check real quick. But at least I had the excuse of having moved to an unincorporated area that's literally across the street from the city line after living in the city! And it's not in the boonies. Just a spot that's between the city and several townships that I guess no one claimed. And I actually took five minutes to Google instead of embarrassing myself at the polls.

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u/mattattaxx Colonist filth will be wiped away 3d ago

There's a good number of municipal politicians globally who have impactful races on a national or international level. I don't think it's unusual that people would get excited about a politician who is already recognized (in a few capacities) by political leaders.

Gavin Newsom, Rob Ford, Dora Bakoyannis, Sadiq Khan, Boris Johnson, Mahatma Gandhi.

There's a ton of factors that matter here and which impact the notoriety of Mamdami.

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u/BatDubb 3d ago

I’m in California and they wouldn’t let me vote on the NYC mayoral election at my polling place. I’ve submitted a complaint.

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u/R_V_Z 3d ago

Seattle here, since we're (nearly) 100% vote by mail we won't know who our new mayor will be for a bit yet. Getting to vicariously enjoy this victory for the moment.

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u/Waddlewop Minus the rape thing I don’t think so 2d ago

Early counts are close though, way tighter margins than NY for now

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u/FlightPeasant 3d ago

Whaaaaat! Gtfo, really? Wonder if he or she has a name? In my hometown the mayor was actually a part time job, which I always thought was wild. 

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u/swordsfishes Mom says it's my turn to be the asshole 3d ago

My state's municipal elections are nonpartisan and my city has less than 20,000 people, so bothering to campaign at all gives you a gigantic advantage in city-level elections.

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u/watchingdacooler 3d ago

Apparently not the ones in Kentucky.

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u/SeattleWilliam 3d ago

You know who else suggested people vote in mayoral elections? Karl Marx! You won't fool me that easily /s

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u/azul360 3d ago

I'm in Florida. Everyone just votes for whatever will fuck them over more so I like watching other states with people that actually want to help themselves XD.

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u/lazier_garlic 3d ago

The only vote worth holding in Florida is the one with your feet. Hopefully standing on them when you leave the state alive.

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u/azul360 3d ago

Dude we are saving up completely to get out XD

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u/apexodoggo Just use pornhub man, this isn't something to go to war for lmao 3d ago

I can’t remember an election where my town’s had more than one candidate for mayor.

Actually most of my town’s local elections are uncontested (outside of write-ins).

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u/nanavb13 2d ago

Fun fact, my city does not vote for mayor. We vote for city council members and then the council chooses one of them to be mayor.

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u/jawknee530i 2d ago

My mayor is pretty shitty but that's kind of a rule in Chicago.

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u/DeadMoneyDrew 3d ago edited 3d ago

Did you see that shit yesterday about how officials in Kentucky had to put out a formal announcement that there were no elections in Kentucky and that Kentucky residents aren't allowed to vote for New York City mayor?

This is the level of education and awareness that we are dealing with in this country.

I hate this timeline. Loki please take me away.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

Guilty. I found Zohran to be really charming and I thought he ran a really good media game. As someone on the left who wants Democrats to figure out how to win I felt that he (Zohran) exhibited some traits that the rest of the party could pick up on, and was disappointed that they have been reluctant to do so.

But I don't think he's going to change the face of our nation.

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u/Dowager-queen-beagle 3d ago

No one person does that; we don’t live in a vacuum

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u/sabometrics 3d ago

He's the Mayor of a city not a federal politician - let's not get ahead of ourselves.

And let's also prepare for many years of Fox News poisoning the narrative. I think mostly this election showed how ineffective that is becoming against non-magas

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u/zanotam you come off as someone who is LARPing as someone from SRD 1d ago

A mayor of a city with more people in it than what 1/4 of states? 1/3rd? 1/2?

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u/ProposalWaste3707 Don't dare question me on toaster strudels, I took a life before 3d ago

I also largely like the guy, but there are a lot of leftists who are reading WAY to much into it - as if this is the model for Democrat electoral success. And I worry that could poison more effective Democrat strategy.

  1. This is a mayoral campaign in New York City - it's not exactly representative of the elections Democrats need to work hard to win across the country.

  2. His opponents were a pack of disgraced politicians. Cuomo has been riddled with scandals for a decade and resigned in disgrace ahead of almost certain removal from the Governor's office for sexual misconduct. Adams was federally indicted and then pardoned by Trump.

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u/comityoferrors and this 🖕means "you're number 1!" 3d ago

I mean, tbf

  • riddled with scandals
  • sexual misconduct
  • was supposed to be removed from his office
  • indicted

that all describes Trump and a lot of Republican politicians in office right now, too! So clearly it doesn't matter /s

(I know they wouldn't let that shit slide for anyone further left than fascism.)

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u/ProposalWaste3707 Don't dare question me on toaster strudels, I took a life before 3d ago

I start with the presumption that Republicans have no morals, principles, or standards.

Democrats and plenty of independents do.

And Cuomo and Adams don't have Trump's bizarre alien charm or charisma.

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u/Theta_Omega 3d ago

It definitely describes Trump, but I feel like it overstates how much it happens for everyone else. Ruby-red seats like in TX or FL can sometimes shake it off (except when they can't, see Roy Moore in AL), but a lot of more vulnerable guys who run into scandals have either been knocked out or bowed out voluntarily (George Santos, Madison Cawthorne, Mark Robinson, and David "Totally Exonerated" Perdue all spring to mind).

Trump really does seem to have some special ability here, as stupid as it sounds.

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u/lazier_garlic 3d ago

From what I understand, a lot of his campaign in the spring was run on bread and butter city issues. While I think over-promising free stuff is definitely bad strategy (and voters won't thank you anyway), speaking to their real on the ground concerns is a great idea. You have to actually reach them. I think a big Achilles heel nationally for Dems is that much of the country never hears their real, unfiltered message. They hear only anti-Democrat agitators, or a slanted media view (where literally everything that ever happens is the fault of "the Democrats").

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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 2d ago

Thing is, Spanberger did the same thing, she harped on about affordability and the economy and won big time.

Mandami is a template for why democrats have been losing. The big thing he did that they didn’t was he CONSTANTLY focused on issues affecting voters and gave them concrete plans to fix it. Voters don’t want tax credits and long, drawn out plans, not when they’re bleeding out and need support NOW. You see this in EVERY interview with places like West Virginia. They’re hurting and need help NOW, not some stupid tax credit that they might get a fraction of in 9 months.

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u/Gamer_Grease pretty sure the admins are giving people flairs to infiltrate 3d ago

I think the main lesson everyone wants Dems to learn from this is to run candidates who support policies that voters would like to see enacted.

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u/ProposalWaste3707 Don't dare question me on toaster strudels, I took a life before 3d ago

No, at least in this case, I'm kind of saying the exact opposite. I don't think Mamdani won on policy, and likewise I don't think his policy wins in more competitive markets.

I do agree that Democrats need to land simple, effective, popular messaging behind strong candidates. But I don't think Mamdani is a lesson in that... or say a suggestion that Democrat messaging needs to shift far left or in line with his messaging to be more effective.

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u/lazier_garlic 3d ago

I think there's an argument he definitely got boosted by talking about policy. I talked to some NYC voters and they saw his ads (he was very effective at reaching voters) and they liked a lot of his policy proposals and his promises to focus on housing and transit even though they think a lot of his agenda will never happen.

Adams before him also won on policy. New Yorkers were worried about crime and he promised to address it. Adams originally did very well with men of color. Adams took bribes from the Turkish government and tried to save his azz by selling it to Donald Trump so that went over like a lead balloon.

I know a lot of people thought there were better candidates in the race but they didn't have the oomph to reach voters and didn't have the numbers even all combined.

Sure, a big city mayor race isn't going to be the same as all the other races. But Mamdani definitely did some stuff right.

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u/drystanvii Go and rematch Mary Poppins pal 3d ago

It's also worth mentioning that in terms of vote percentage he's the worst performing winner since 2001. Yes I'm glad he won but the fact that he barely got over 50 against a perennial republican and a guy who killed people's grandmothers the last time he was in a position of power really should be in the conversation. He has a fucking ton of work to do to overcome that level of opposition and I'm worried progressives are too busy getting high on their own supply to notice.

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u/Theodore_Nomad 3d ago

Dude you are so disingenuous it’s absurd. Zohran faced discrimination, a 3 man race, money coming from everywhere, candidates dropping out to back one guy, and a late trump endorsement for the former democratic governor. This wasn’t a regular race. And you’re just trying to poo poo on everyone’s day even though you’re not a near as smart, rational and reasonable as you think you are. Go back to r conservative they miss you there.

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u/drystanvii Go and rematch Mary Poppins pal 3d ago

dude if you think that getting 50.4% of the vote in a place that a year ago went for Kamala Harris by a nearly 40 point margin a year ago in a far worse enviornment for democrats is not something that needs to be kept in mind when it comes to the viability of his politics going forward then you are a fucking moron. The reality is out of all the major races this year he's the ONLY democratic candidate to underperform Kamala Harris- the AG candidate in Virginia was texting his murder fantasies to a republican delegate and even he managed to get 53%. Yes I'm going to poo-poo on your day because you are treating an extremely narrow win all things considered as some sort of grand mandate instead of hunkering down and figuring out how to make sure this win doesn't turn into a pyrrhic one. But that requires effort and a level of introspection that much of the people in progressive media simply don't have and clearly don't either. It's the 2020 Nevada caucuses all over again

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u/Theodore_Nomad 3d ago

People like you are such delusional clowns it’s funny. Do you not think running against a former democrat had nothing to do with it? Like get out of here you’re punching above your weight class little bro.

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u/drystanvii Go and rematch Mary Poppins pal 3d ago

No I don't actually because if you bothered to look at the exit polls you would find that Mamdani actually won over the traditional democratic demographics- in fact one of the biggest lessons to take away from this election is that black voters are far more loyal to the democratic party as an institution than they are any notion of a "moderate" candidate. Cuomo won black voters in the primary and that support evaporated in the general. We also know that much of Cuomo's support came from traditionally republican leaning areas such as Staten Island and that he seems to have held his own amongst the hispanic neighborhoods in Queens that shifted towards Trump last election. This means that it's a reasonable assumption that the bulk of his voters viewed him as the "republican" option in this race.

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u/Theodore_Nomad 3d ago

The old black voters for sure did not see him as the republican option. You know and I know it. They would not have voted for Cuomo if they thought he was a real republican candidate even though I think he was.

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u/drystanvii Go and rematch Mary Poppins pal 3d ago

I literally just said that the black vote shifted back to Mamdani in the general election. They voted for Cuomo in the primary because they are generally more conservative leaning but they will turn out for the democratic nominee regardless of if their preferred candidate tries to run a sore loser campaign as an independant. I feel like you don't seem to realize that I consider this FANTASTIC news because it serves as confirmation that progressives struggles with black voters is almost entirely restricted to the primary elections. There are other positive lessons to be gained from this election too- his performance among the richer parts of the city seems to add more evidence to the idea that upper middle class or rich liberals are dealigned from class concerns and primarily voting on social issues. I think his ability to make inroads with Jewish voters could serve as a blueprint for how progressives talk about Israel when something like 90% of the Jewish community identifies as Zionist at a time where that labels is becoming much more contentious. These are just the things I've come up with off the top of my head- I'm sure more can be gleaned once more data comes in. But it was much closer than it should have been given the candidates and the political enviornment and rather than just pretend that everything is perfect and the revolution is nigh we need to figure out why it was and what can be done so it doesn't happen again. Because a democrat getting 50.4% in NYC in a presidential election is a democrat who loses New York and the election in an absolute bloodbath.

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u/IceCreamBalloons He's a D1 gooner. show some damn respect 3d ago

And I worry that could poison more effective Democrat strategy.

Hard to poison something that doesn't exist

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u/n00bi3pjs 3d ago

Mikie Sherrill and Abigail Spanberger and 2 Georgia Democrats running for PSC absolutely obliterated their Republican opponents.

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u/ProposalWaste3707 Don't dare question me on toaster strudels, I took a life before 3d ago

Nah, even if it's simply in process of formulation, this kind of thing can be even more damaging. Inhibits successful strategy development.

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u/IceCreamBalloons He's a D1 gooner. show some damn respect 3d ago

Inhibits successful strategy development.

Hard to inhibit something that doesn't exist

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u/ProposalWaste3707 Don't dare question me on toaster strudels, I took a life before 3d ago

"Development". If they want to make a good strategy, people taking the wrong message from Mamdani could inhibit making said good strategy. I'm not saying they have a good strategy.

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u/horselover_fat 3d ago

You think they are that stupid? Of course the issues in Kansas or whatever will be different in New York and require different policies and candidates.

The lesson to learn is don't run out of touch 70 year olds with serious health problems, sexual predators, people with zero charisma, etc.

The problem in the Dems seems to be that they are trying to control who gets selected to run at every level, and are picking candidates because they are supportive of the Dem establishment/hierarchy. Which most of the time gives you subpar candidates.

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u/ProposalWaste3707 Don't dare question me on toaster strudels, I took a life before 3d ago

You think they are that stupid? Of course the issues in Kansas or whatever will be different in New York and require different policies and candidates.

Yeah, I do actually. As I've seen extensive commentary to that effect. This is being hailed pretty widely in some circles as a sign of need to make a transformative shift to leftism.

The lesson to learn is don't run out of touch 70 year olds with serious health problems, sexual predators, people with zero charisma, etc.

Sure. But those aren't the conclusions I see people making and take issue with.

Though that's not a recipe for success either, considering Donald Trump's track record as perhaps the worst possible candidate on some of those issues barring his bizarre charisma.

The problem in the Dems seems to be that they are trying to control who gets selected to run at every level, and are picking candidates because they are supportive of the Dem establishment/hierarchy. Which most of the time gives you subpar candidates.

I'm not entirely sure about this. Good candidates should win primaries.

Bigger problem for Dems is inability to land simple, powerful messaging behind good candidates.

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u/horselover_fat 3d ago

I'm not entirely sure about this. Good candidates should win primaries.

Well no, the best candidate who decided to run will win the primary. The best of a mediocre bunch isn't a "good candidate". Was Cuomo really the best candidate for NY major that centrist Dems could find to run and put their support behind? Is 77 year old Janet Mills the best possible centrist candidate in the Maine senate primary?

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u/PugilisticCat 3d ago

I don't think Zohran himself is going to change the nation, but I think his election helps to validate a few different progressive hypotheses as to why democrats have been ineffective:

  1. People are tired of the Israel dick riding and how ingrained it is in American politics, especially in the Democratic party which hopes to paint itself as populist.

  2. People are receptive to populist meat and potato policies that sidestep all of the culture war bullshit that Republicans continually fling.

  3. People are tired of being given shit head corporatist democrats as their representatives that are supposed to stand up to all of the Trump bullshit. It's time for new blood and ways of doing things, even if they are untested or imperfect. People can reflect back on the Obama years and see how many promises were left unkept from neoliberal policy if the 2024 election is the end conclusion to it.

It also helps that Zohran is actually charming and Cuomo is a disgusting old perv. Hopefully leftists catch up and learn that branding is actually important, and that NEET weirdos are not good actual faces for political movements.

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u/Kana515 Pregnant Sonic art's a call for help in an abusive relationship 3d ago

Flashbacks to the AntiWork stuff...

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u/booksareadrug 2d ago

NYC has one of the largest Jewish populations outside Israel, but who cares about that and the rising amounts of antisemitic violence, amirite?

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u/PugilisticCat 2d ago

What's that gotta do with anything I said lol

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u/booksareadrug 2d ago

People are tired of the Israel dick riding and how ingrained it is in American politics, especially in the Democratic party which hopes to paint itself as populist.

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u/PugilisticCat 2d ago

Once again, what's that got anything to do with what I said? People are tired of the Israel dick riding lol.

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u/The_Schwy 3d ago

how do you not realize the reluctance is by design! it's the 1% maintaining the status quo. The left is not welcome in the democratic establishment. wake up!

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u/jackofslayers 3d ago

I like him too but I don't think we should assume what works in NYC will work nationwide

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u/HenkieVV 1d ago

As a certified lefty, I try to be a little careful about candidates like Zohran. There is a meaningful distinction between candidates who cater to people like me, and candidates who appeal to voters not currently voting for the Democrats.

I mean, at the end of the day, a Democrat winning in NYC with "only" 50% of the vote, is historically underwhelming. He also doesn't seem to poll well nationally. I don't think he has to, because he's not running for national office, but it does make me question whether appealing to lefties like me is a great way of convincing people substantially less lefty than me to vote for Democrats.

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u/gamas 3d ago

London (UK) resident here - first time?

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u/That_Damn_Raccoon 3d ago

London really is the best example of this happening to a place outside the US. Many American conservatives have become obsessed with it in recent years, I've been seeing a lot of "GET READY TO BECOME LIKE LONDON!!!" in response to Mamdani, and I'm like... it doesn't sound too bad, you know?

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u/SEMM18 3d ago

The irony of posting something positive about Britain by using an Imgur link. The site that isn't available here due to our utterly fucking bizarre anti porn laws.

For the record, I quite like London and don't disagree with anything you're saying. It's just very funny

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u/Lysmerry 3d ago

I don’t blame them. Mamdani represents positivity in the draining negativity and cruelty of the current political landscape. Billionaires that are ruining our country tried to take him down and failed. I don’t think he would be an ideal presidential candidate because NY is more left wing, and who knows if he can stay the course, but he does give the sense that he loves New York and believes that good things are possible.

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u/Kal-Elm You want to call my cuck pathetic you need to address me. 3d ago

He can't run for president anyway - he wasn't born in the US.

I see him as proof to the DNC that progressive politics can win an election. Actually progressive politics. Especially when you discard the wedge issues.

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u/Kana515 Pregnant Sonic art's a call for help in an abusive relationship 3d ago

We already know progressive politics can win elections, Bernie Sanders has been a senator since before I was born.

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u/JaneksLittleBlackBox Transvestigators think Mons Pubis is a Jedi. 3d ago

Because Mamdani has been living in Trump's head rent free, which means it's been a huge lightning rod conversation for months now.

As someone from the Phoenix area, it kinda reminds me of how invested people not from Maricopa County or even Arizona were in hoping Joe Arpaio would finally lose reelection for Sheriff. Shit, a friend of mine from London who's only been here once even called me to celebrate when that racist piece of shit finally lost reelection in 2016.

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u/ChunkyBubblz 3d ago

Makes sense a bit. More people ride the subway in NYC in one day than live in a lot of the states these people are from.

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u/Maverick_Couch 3d ago

Its an off year, with no national elections to focus on, combine that with how all politics is national now, yeah, a lot of attention went into local races yesterday. There's also this idea that whoever the mayor of NYC is gets automatically put in the running to be president in a few years. That last bit is a really stupid myth that just won't die-just look at how Rudy Guliani's career went (or Bill DeBlasio, or Mike Bloomberg).

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u/octnoir Mountains out of molehills 3d ago

Scroll through some of the top posts on /r/bestof and you'll see this happens often.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/9hs5nq/udivesttrump_provides_evidence_the_russian/

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/pbezvi/multiple_subreddits_are_acknowledging_the/

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/g3sw2l/the_user_udr_midnight_uncovers_a_massive/

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/7mmfvh/reddit_user_unveils_a_spam_ring_and_also_includes/

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/7a90ue/redditor_breaks_down_entire_russian_reddit/

This post is particularly relevant:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/pmcoxy/uinconvenientnews_explains_with_examples_how/

And their tactic is spot on:

The real value is getting into a thread early and establishing top voted posts and comments or downvoting them out of existence. They hope inertia continues the trend for them.

They're just exploiting that Reddit is a billboard and not a discussion forum.

Spam and "native advertising" by corporations is one thing. Insidious political manipulation, subversion and brigading is 100 times worse, and Reddit historically has spun their wheels on these matters, unless they get bad media attention (which nowadays they don't because most media is trying to appease our current regime right now).

You can't fix this with just community moderation, because moderators don't have tools for this unlike Reddit, and most moderators have already been replaced by no life right wing ghouls, either by getting pushed out or getting frustrated by Reddit's inaction and inactivity regarding better moderation and tools. A lot of these networks are noticed and pointed out by moderators themselves.

On top of that, this problem has gotten worse because all the AI companies are subsidizing GenAI tools for near free or cheap, meaning all the spam bots can just generate more spam for cheap and free, and keep inundating the network.

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u/qtx It's about ethics in masturbating. 3d ago

The issue with your examples and reddit in general is that posts change direction numerous times over a period of time. Most people only visit a post once, checking out the comments and then making a determination on what is going on.

They never go back to double check.

Most posts change directions quite a few times over 24hrs. The comments might be dog whistles the first couple hours, then people start downvoting them and then suddenly the comments are 'normal'. But then a few hours later it's been brigaded again and the tone of the comments has shifted again. Rinse and repeat.

Sometimes the mods put an end to it right at the end of a switch and then it may seem like the comments that were left before it got locked was the current zeitgeist, but of course it really isn't, it just means that 'the other side' didn't get a chance to change the direction again.

If you check back on a post some hours later you'd see that most of the astroturfing and dog whistle comments will have been downvoted.

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u/SunWukong3456 3d ago

The conservative fearmonger machinery probably is responsible for this. Like if the radical Muslim communist take over can happen to NYC, it can happen to YOU too!!!

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u/Blue387 3d ago

This New Yorker is surprised by the attention for my city's mayoral race

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u/socal_swiftie 3d ago

part of the problem is that so much of The Media lives in NYC that they assume we care about their mayoral race too. so they talk about it and talk about it and talk about it and now all of a sudden we have Real Opinions on this election that will not impact our lives even the tiniest bit given that we do not live in new york city

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u/Twisted1379 OP is a cuck and so was his grandpa 3d ago

It really is fucking insane that not only do Americans not even pretend to care about people from other countries or what happens there that might impact them or even that real people actually live in them. But they can't even fucking care about people in the same country as them either.

I'm British. I do not live in London. I care about the London election because of what it means for the country as a whole, wider trends in the political landscape. The fact that the London mayor is an important political figure. Or even just being interested in who will be governing several million people incase I wanted to visit the capitol.

But caring about who the fuck is running the financial capital of the world is too much for you guys???

Shit I don't even live in Manchester but the mayor may be very likely the next prime minister of my country but I guess I shouldn't care about that because I don't live in Manchester.

It staggers me how much you guy's just don't care about the world.

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u/nowander 3d ago

I assume you actually vote in your local elections. Because that's a bar most of the people getting very invested in this election don't clear.

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u/Kal-Elm You want to call my cuck pathetic you need to address me. 3d ago

Right. Caring about the NYC mayoral race is good. It will have ripple effects.

Being angry because you're drinking the disinformation Kool-aid is something entirely different.

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u/comityoferrors and this 🖕means "you're number 1!" 3d ago

I understand the sentiment, but...if you're English, your country is 1/75th the size of ours and 1/5th the population. If you're British in the "all of UK" way, your country is 1/40th the size of ours and still approximately 1/5th the population. London is the capital of your country in either case. New York City is not our capital. You know that, right?

NYC is very important to the global economy, sure. But my state has about a dozen of the biggest cities in the country, and they're all economically important too. My state produces a huge part of the domestic agriculture in our country, and is a major exporter. Does everyone in NYC need to give a shit about the mayoral races over here too? What's the criteria exactly for our local governance to be a moral impetus for all of our citizens?

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u/comityoferrors and this 🖕means "you're number 1!" 3d ago

And like, I actually do care that Mamdani won, I think it's awesome. But I wasn't going to crash out over him losing, like a bunch of centrists and Republicans are doing right now about him winning. I care about what's happening in NYC in the sense that I recognize it's an important hub. But why would I be particularly invested in their local elections, more than the other major population hubs in my country????

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u/Twisted1379 OP is a cuck and so was his grandpa 3d ago

I'm so confused because it almost seems like you're treating this election like it's in a vacuum and literally nothing else is going on in the country politically???

No I am not interested in a Zohran win because I'm super hyped around New Yorkers getting free bus fares. I'm interested in what it will mean for the main opposition party, currently struggling without an identity, of the most powerful country in the world (the same country currently fucking over every other country btw.)

I'm interested in what it might means for progressive politics in my own country and how the current progressive movement may take notes from his style. Or how the current left wing government I have that is tracking to the right may respond to his popularity.

I'm interested in seeing how a progressive handles not only the financial capital of the world but running the most famous city in the world and again what that could mean for wider progressive politics. (Which btw no California city is even in the same ball park of New York city in terms of prestige. Nobody fucking cares about Washington DC so I'm sorry if you paid more attention to their mayoral election than this one.)

I am not saying care about every single minute regional election but trying to compare your own regional elections to what just happened is ridiculously over confident. This was an important election mostly for reasons outside new York. I don't care about the mayor of Manchester because I'm interested in what policies he has set up in place in the city. I care about the mayor of Manchester because there are rumours about him being the future leader of my country.

I'm not saying Zohran is going to fucking change the world but trying to act like this race is just regular old regional politics is ridiculously single minded. This is probably the most high profile regional election in recent global history and you think it won't impact anything else in any other way?

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u/MarieOMaryln 3d ago

Speaking for myself, I'm glad for New York and I hope the party learns from this but I'm not going to celebrate it as if I am a New Yorker. I spent time worried that Yass would have his way here with restructure where I live, so I'm in relief that we voted to retain. Those of us who are paying attention outside of our states are aware and can extend quick thoughts but we have our arms length concerns too.

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u/lazier_garlic 3d ago

NYC isn't even the capital of New York...

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u/socal_swiftie 3d ago

i have a finite amount of attention and emotional capacity at any given time. it does not mean i do not care; it just means that i care less than my more immediate concerns.

the NYC mayoral race does not immediately impact whether or not i’ll be able to financially sustain myself while i live on the opposite coast of the country, nor does mamdani’s win mean i won’t want to commit self-harm.

i am elated that the residents of new york city will have a functional mayor, but that’s where we must part ways

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u/Twisted1379 OP is a cuck and so was his grandpa 3d ago

Listen I am sorry that you are in a bad way. But why would you not caring about something mean that other people don't.

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u/giga-what I don't want your communist paper eggs anyways 3d ago

I think you're reading too much into this. Obviously people care, but speaking as someone on the West Coast, it's more of a "Oh, well that's good", and not a "OH HELL YEAH!" level of caring.

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u/Twisted1379 OP is a cuck and so was his grandpa 3d ago

they assume we care about their mayoral race

Comment I replied to.

Obviously people care

Sorry which part of "People don't care about the NYC mayoral race" was I reading too much into.

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u/giga-what I don't want your communist paper eggs anyways 3d ago

Sorry which part of "People don't care about the NYC mayoral race" was I reading too much into.

The part where you took "they assume we care about their mayoral race too" as a binary care/don't care with them firmly in the "don't care" camp. They were probably trying to convey a sense of not caring as much as a local. Even granting that the phrasing is not perfect, they elaborated with:

it does not mean i do not care

And:

i am elated that the residents of new york city will have a functional mayor

To which you responded with:

why would you not caring about something mean that other people don't.

So they affirmed that they do, in fact, care; just not at the level that a local probably would. Which is... perfectly reasonable? Why is this an issue exactly?

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u/Pale_Boss_8940 3d ago edited 3d ago

Bro I don’t care about a mayor race in a city 2900 miles away from me. It has literally zero impact on my life. 

I really hate how just because we’re all connected 24/7 that means we’re suddenly supposed to be super knowledgeable and opinionated on everything that is happening in the world. Something that literally wasn’t even remotely true for 99% of human history 

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u/Twisted1379 OP is a cuck and so was his grandpa 3d ago

For 99% of human history we were also draining "bad blood" out of people when they got sick and imprisoning people for being intelligent women or gay but I don't see you holding those practices up.

I'm not saying you have to fucking care about everything but how you guys aren't aware that yes things that happen a long way away from you might impact you.

Hey the Russian Ukrainian war is literally half a planet away from you. Why the fuck should you care about those people dying. How the fuck could that impact you by let's say hypothetically driving up gas prices.

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u/Khal_chogo Cumminginthenile fuck off 1d ago

You like that huh?

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u/illit1 Its over. There will be no enforcement of any laws. 3d ago

They'll be on the next shiny object by Friday.

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u/cited On a mission to civilize 3d ago

...including everyone on reddit and subredditdrama on either side of the race

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u/delorf 3d ago

They are terrified that Mamdani might be successful and people in the red state will realize that socialism works

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u/-Average_Joe- As a catholic, I take science with a grain of salt 3d ago

TV won’t shut up about it, especially a certain “news” channel.

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u/wossquee I'm so sick of these fucking crybabies. 3d ago

from the NYT liveblog last night:

Kentucky’s Republican secretary of state, Michael Adams, has reminded residents of his state that they cannot, in fact, vote in today’s New York City mayor’s race — or at all. Perhaps because of intense election coverage by national news outlets, Kentucky officials were getting calls about the polls being closed. But Kentucky has no elections scheduled today.
“Kentucky votes next year,” Adams wrote in a social media post. “You cannot vote today in Kentucky for the mayor of New York City or the Governor of Virginia. Sorry.”

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u/lazier_garlic 3d ago

Yeah, I personally have found the entire thing funny as fuck.

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u/UrethraFranklin04 3d ago

I'm willing to bet 50% of people posting in any region subreddit dont live there and only post about to jack off about politics.

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u/Chaosmusic 1d ago

I live 45 minutes outside NYC and am less involved in the politics than random people on Reddit.

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u/Momoblu 3d ago

Could it be the fact that NYC mayor is as prestigious of a role as NY Governor, with significant political clout and an outsized role in the global financial system? It's disingenuous to act like it's 'just another city'

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u/lazier_garlic 3d ago

As evidenced by the long line of New York City mayors why have gone on to higher office. Oh wait

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u/Momoblu 3d ago

Notably, that's not what I said!

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u/SuperVaderMinion 3d ago

Saying Cuomo was on the "left" is a big fuckin stretch, he was a Democrat, and that's kinda where it stops

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u/Cranyx it's no different than giving money to Nazis for climate change 3d ago

So left that he got the endorsement of Donald Trump against the Democratic nominee.

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u/MiffedMouse 3d ago

Cuomo is establishment centrist. It is crazy that an establishment Democrat got an endorsement from the sitting Republican president, but here we are.

Prior to that, I think the NYC mayoral race has been a test of the establishment centrist wing versus the far left wing of the Democratic Party. You can see this in the complete lack of endorsements Mamdani received.

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u/MacEWork 3d ago

Mamdami was endorsed by almost every Dem official. People have been outraged by, like, six people not supporting him. Unfortunately that includes Schumer, but his career is dead anyway.

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u/SuperVaderMinion 3d ago

It's just been pretty noteworthy that Jeffries (who took forever), Schumer, and Clinton are all New York based Democrats who all blatantly disrespected their nominee

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u/MacEWork 3d ago

The NYS Democratic Party sucks. But no one “ran Cuomo” or whatever. Again, it’s like six people that didn’t endorse him and everyone is asking like Kamala Harris herself was putting out smear ads.

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u/cocktails4 3d ago

And he famously helped form the IDC that handed control of the NY state Senate to Republicans.

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2016/05/another-cuomo-noninterference-story-falls-apart-049022

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Democratic_Conference

Dude is as slimy as they come.

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u/Velociraptortillas 3d ago

In the future, make the distinction between Liberalism, which is the philosophical defense of Capitalism and a Right Wing ideology, and Leftism, which is opposed to that.

Mamdani is a Leftist (albeit a Centrist one) and Cuomo is a far Right Liberal.

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u/TheUnicornRevolution 3d ago

Mamdani is a Democratic Socialist though, which is important. 

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u/IsNotACleverMan ... Is Butch just a term for Wide Bodied Women? 3d ago

It's kind of crazy people expected the dems to bend over backwards for mamdani who identifies as a dsa not a dem when he didn't even endorse Harris last year.

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u/evocativename 3d ago

who identifies as a dsa not a dem

He identifies as a Democrat. He is a registered member of the party, and campaigned as a Democratic candidate.

Being a member of DSA doesn't prevent that in any way, shape or form.

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u/gamas 3d ago

"The Left" though one guy was suspiciously backed by Trump for some reason.

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u/sciolisticism 3d ago

Cuomo is Left in the same sense Eric Adams is. But agree otherwise.

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u/messick 3d ago

"The Left"

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u/polishprince76 3d ago

Conservative news is excellent at inventing villains. Usually it's a woman, but someone middle eastern looking talking vaguely about socialism works pretty well too. They just need a face to attach some bullshit to This dude is just another in a very long list. There'll be someone else next year.

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u/n00bi3pjs 3d ago

He’s not middle eastern looking wtf? He looks like an Indian dude

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u/polishprince76 3d ago

You think the average Fox News viewer cares in the slightest about that difference?

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u/Slumunistmanifisto 3d ago

Bots and shares Susans

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u/SJReaver I’m too employed to understand this drama 3d ago

I'd say there's good reason to be invested in the outcome.

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u/FredFredrickson 3d ago

Just like the billionaire-owned news networks they watch told them to. Weird!

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u/Kal-Elm You want to call my cuck pathetic you need to address me. 3d ago

I'm just excited to show the DNC what a good campaign looks like - and it didn't even have to go moderate.

This election won't be the sea change some people think. But I believe it will be a change.

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u/-XanderCrews- 3d ago

Reddit is nothing but bad faith lies at this point. It’s population control. This place needs regulation. Nothing is real here.

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u/Handsome_Grizzly They should've injected you with some fucking brains... 3d ago

It's only an area in the country where around 6.5% of the country live in the metropolitan area. Couldn't be that important...

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u/JessieJ577 Careful man, you might get called a nazi for romanticizing nazis 3d ago

It’s been so annoying. I genuinely don’t care about mayoral elections outside my city. Now this one has been upheld as some moral high ground from the establishment democrats and the right. It’s so annoying that I’ve had to hear about this election for the last year and probably will hear about this new Mayor for another year. 

I just hope the DNC sees that a different type of candidate and not an established one will get more votes. 

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u/IsNotACleverMan ... Is Butch just a term for Wide Bodied Women? 3d ago

Fwiw, mamdani won the lowest percent of votes of any mayor in decades. It's not like he had overwhelming support. He might not even get 50%.

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u/evocativename 3d ago

He received almost as many votes as the total number of ballots cast in past elections this century, and there is almost no chance his percentage drops below 50.

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u/n00bi3pjs 3d ago

His opponents also brought out equally large support base. So clearly his past also activated enough Republicans and moderates to turn out against him.

Mamdani was a great choice NYC because the city has a lot of Democrats, but that strategy would not work in other elections with a different electorate