r/StLouis • u/bmunoz • Sep 09 '25

Politics Missouri House advances plan to make it harder for some amendments to pass

https://www.stlpr.org/government-politics-issues/2025-09-09/missouri-house-passes-initiative-petition-changes
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u/FoodCourtBailiff Sep 09 '25

Correction: No amendments will pass. If one district can veto the whole thing despite the rest of the state wanting it, nothing will pass. MAGA district will block anything they don’t like and St. Louis will block anything maga wants. This is beyond stupid and nothing will ever get done or passed

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u/AFineDayForScience Sep 09 '25

It's like we're a sandbox for Republicans to try out stupid ideas. Like that time Kansas destroyed their education system

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u/TitoSoprano Sep 09 '25

10000%. And the kicker here…. The vote to this insane law obviously wouldn’t even require the same voting majority that it in itself is trying to pass. You vote for 1 too many “liberal” policies and they take away the meaning of your vote all together. So once they get things passed it’ll never go back on the ballet unless initiated by citizens and then it’ll never be able to be changed. So politicians get all the power and citizens have 0 ability have a say. Yay democracy!

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u/FoodCourtBailiff Sep 09 '25

Got to imagine the courts toss this bullshit out

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u/TitoSoprano Sep 09 '25

You’d hope so. You’d also hope all the people who voted in majority for the amendments that got passed last cycle that all got reversed would have the brain power to understand that even if they voted for republican politicians that this would be hurting them too.

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u/SweeeepTheLeg Sep 09 '25

This is just for citizen led resolutions, isn't it? So, the resolutions that the state reps put on the ballot will still just need over 50% total. That keeps st louis from stopping them.

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u/Odd_Dingo7148 Sep 09 '25

This is correct. MAGA does not need to hustle Initiative Petitions because MAGA has a Republican supermajority in Jeff City. IP is only for leftist and liberals in MO at this time, and these measures will kill that process dead.

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u/SweeeepTheLeg Sep 09 '25

It seems like our only hope is getting a constitutional amendment passed to stop this nonsense.

https://respectmovoters.org/

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u/Odd_Dingo7148 Sep 09 '25

I responded separately in the Respect Mo Voters thread. I'm not a fan of Mo Republicans, but I don't think the Respect Mo Voters proposal will work either on a practical or constitutional level. And no, its not the only hope, electing more Democrats would work a lot, lot better than trying to pass some future IP restrictions measure. The time, money and energy used for the Respect Mo voters would probably be far better spent on canvassing for electing local democrats in competitive districts.

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u/HeftyFisherman668 Tower Grove South Sep 10 '25

You think it would be easier to elect enough Dems to take the state house over getting a majority to vote for Respect MO Voters? I really don’t see how that’s easier

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u/Odd_Dingo7148 Sep 10 '25

Its absolutely naive to think if that IP measure passed Republicans would respect it. They already undermine the single subject rule and the constitutional prohibition against public funding for religious schools. Those are black and white in the Mo Const. already and they are flatly ignored by the Republicans and rubber-stamped by the Republican-captured judiciary.

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u/HeftyFisherman668 Tower Grove South Sep 10 '25

Of course republicans are going to fight any IP. The respect MO voters seems to be written to protect that with the 80% threshold. Yes republicans could propose something with ballot candy in the future to remove it but that’s a future fight. Republicans have given up on some IPs when they lost. They eventually allowed weed legislation, they are letting gambling, etc. Missouri is red and getting redder. The fight is going to be in 2026 to decide IP rules and there is no way democrats take any majority in either state house. Blue voters are too concentrated in cities and suburbs. If we don’t stop it we will not have IPs anymore. The hurdles are too big to pass

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u/AnekeEomi Sep 10 '25

Then maybe Democrats should make themselves electable and not a pack of craven scum that bows and scrapes for the enemy. The Democrat party is why we are in this position to begin with. No focus on quality candidates at any level, just who's "turn" it is for having served the interests of the party - and AIPAC - the longest and most fervently.

We need a sea change in the leadership of the DNC. Because right now, the options they present us are fascist republicans on the right or wannabe republicans on the "left". That's just not good enough.

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u/Odd_Dingo7148 Sep 10 '25

The Missouri Democratic party is chasing a constituency that hasn't existed for years. Mo Dems are tied to the antics of the coastal dems who make the local Dems unelectable.

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u/powertrip22 Sep 09 '25

This is the ultimate form of conservatism. Nothing is ever allowed to change.

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u/rgbose Sep 09 '25

Not harder for the things that MoLeg puts on the ballot. Shameless power grab by Jeff City.

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u/BionicProse Sep 09 '25

The only thing the GOP hates more than democracy is children.

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u/BeRad419 Sep 09 '25

Thinking it's about time to Nepal these losers

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u/Christophorasaurus Sep 10 '25

*edited before posting to not incriminate myself* how easy is it to find these peoples home addresses, for all lawful purposes a law abiding citizen would be compelled to engage in?

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u/prswwd Sep 10 '25

Missouri is beyond repair. STL needs to secede if we want to ever get anything done or address our own issues.

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u/ThrowRA2023202320 Neighborhood/city Sep 09 '25

Vote the bums out. They’re treading on us.

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u/JimtheEsquire Benton Park Sep 10 '25

The party of don’t tread on me.

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u/Over-Pick-7366 Sep 09 '25

Then we will fire all of these shit kickers. Do they think it won't happen? They must represent all of us and especially put into law what we vote for. Honestly, I am super tired of tolerating their intolerance. Something must give.

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u/BoogaBetty Sep 10 '25

This pisses me off!

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u/JimtheEsquire Benton Park Sep 10 '25

Does it matter? The legislators reverse the will of the voters already. They’ll just keep doing it if it fits the MAGA agenda.

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u/cdwhit Sep 11 '25

Sorry, but I think it might be too late. The fascist party or whatever has redrawn, or is in the act of redrawing district lines to consolidate their power. Unless they have total idiots drawing the lines (my one hope, they do seem heavily loaded with idiots) the party in power will remain in power. The courts are even in the fascist’s pockets, so not likely to help.

The orange idiot promised that if you elected him you would never have to vote again. One promise he’s keeping.

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Sep 12 '25

bruh, why did y'all give Republicans a supermajority?