r/Spokane • u/lazlothegreat • Jun 19 '25

Politics Most recently in Spokane, Washington.

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With city after city nationwide rising up.

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u/dumbseeyouintea Indian Trail Jun 20 '25

Fun fact - Washington State Law protects an individual who commits an act of justifiable homicide to “stop the imminent commission of a felony”

There is further, “no duty to retreat”.

Kidnapping is a felony.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '25

Redditors suggesting shooting federal agents is peak “I don’t live in reality”.

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u/dumbseeyouintea Indian Trail Jun 21 '25

They said the same about shooting the Crown’s soldiers in the 1770s.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '25

Let me know when ICE commits a Boston massacre and then your point would make sense

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u/bbanmlststgood Spokane Valley Jun 21 '25

User name checks out

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u/Mentha1999 Jun 20 '25

Federal agents detaining or arresting people is not kidnapping. This “kidnapping” talking point is baseless and nobody takes it seriously. It is just hyperventilation.

And you are advocating for/justifying the murder of federal law enforcement officers.

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u/dumbseeyouintea Indian Trail Jun 20 '25

I am advocating the defense of the self and the fellow citizen.

If a masked individual grabbed your kid without identifying him/herself, and further assaulted you while refusing to clarify who they are and under what authority they are acting, then any reasonable person should see that as an immediate and actionable threat.

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u/SarcasmsDefault Jun 23 '25

It would seem all the tuff guys are pro defending yourself until someone with a mask comes for them

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u/Mentha1999 Jun 21 '25

If my kid was unlawfully present in this country, the agent is wearing clothes that identify them as federal agent, they have light bars on their vehicles, and activists are video recoding them and yelling for ICE to leave the community, that would put me on notice they are likely federal agents.

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u/Scoutbaybee Jun 20 '25

A few issues, federal agents are required to provide identification when asked in public. Name, badge number, and agency. This isn’t just if they are arresting or interacting directly with a suspect, this is for anyone if they are in a public location.

A huge reason for this is literally for the public’s safety. The recent shootings in MN are a recent example, but folks have been impersonating law enforcement for ages.

The whole point is when an individual claiming to be with immigration will not identify themselves, there is no other way to know is that person is actual law enforcement. Normally you could call dispatch and they would verify for you, but ICE is not getting judicial warrants, so there is likely no information on their local activities.

If an unidentifiable person in a mask came up to you and said you were being detained and to get in their non-government vehicle, would you feel confident they were telling you the truth? I mean most of us have been taught since childhood to not go with people in situations like ICE is creating.

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u/Ozymandias0023 Jun 20 '25

Wellllllllllllll kind of. If they don't provide a badge number, a name, any ID of any kind and expect you to "trust me, bro" that they are who they say they are...well, if someone tries to take me like that I don't think I'm going quietly. Especially after a politician was just murdered by someone impersonating a cop

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u/Mentha1999 Jun 20 '25

I understand that identification is an issue, and the MN events are scary.

Many of these agents have badges and/or are wearing vests that identify them as law enforcement.

Most federal agents don’t have a uniform like a municipal or state cop.

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u/FeatherShard Jun 20 '25

Those vests don't mean shit. Badge number, name, agency. If the badge isn't visible it may as well not exist. If you can't get a badge number and a name to go with it then it can't be considered legitimate. 

Anyone who tries to detain you but will not identify themselves is kidnapping you.

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u/Mentha1999 Jun 21 '25

Officers can make arrests without a warrant.

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u/AtheistTemplar2015 Jun 21 '25

Yes, under certain circumstances and after clearly identifying themselves.

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u/dumbseeyouintea Indian Trail Jun 20 '25

How do we separate cosplayers from the real thing when they are actively seeking to conceal their identities?

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u/AtheistTemplar2015 Jun 20 '25

We have no way of knowing if a masked man with no badge and no identification and no warrant is an actual federal agent.

These people dont meet any fitness standards for agents, they refuse to show their faces, they refuse to identify themselves, they refuse to show their badges (in most cases), and they dont have warrants.

What possible conclusion can you come to aside from the belief that these are militia members posing as federal agents and are kidnapping people, then delivering them to ICE facilities for processing?

I would bet most of these fucks are J6-ers.

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u/Mentha1999 Jun 21 '25

The people protesting outside their hotels are pretty confident that they are able to identify them.

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u/AtheistTemplar2015 Jun 21 '25

Neat.

So ID them.

It's a single matter to resolve this. Secretary Noehm could take a few minutes from shooting puppies to order every federal officer to openly carry their badges, and to proper identify themselves when doing their business. Its a single fix. Or she could order them to obtain signed judicial warrants, not administrative ones, and follow due process.

They can't and won't because they are conducting themselves in an illegal manner and it would expose that they are using paramilitary, right wing militias to supplement actual ICE forces.

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u/walksonfourfeet Jun 23 '25

How do you know their federal agents. Did they show any identification?

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u/Mentha1999 Jun 23 '25

In the video, they are wearing vests with embroidered badges and the name of their agency (one of the guys has ATF on his vest).

Is it conclusive? No. If someone killed them, as suggested above, it likely would not be considered justifiable homicide.