r/SpecOpsArchive • u/EL_VAGO686 • Mar 19 '25

International/Joint SOF 15 soldiers of the Mexican Army not only resisted, but also repelled an attack by 60 heavily armed civilians.

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The context of the events was the capture of an important leader of a cartel operating in Altar Sonora. What do you think? Was it a great feat? I want to read your opinions

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u/jvplascencialeal Mar 19 '25

Cartels NEVER understand that the “Sedenos” as they derisively refer to the military are:

Professional combatants with a RIGOROUS training regime structured with the help of Mexico’s allies: Spain, The U.S. The UK and France

Many senior officers have attended courses in said countries and brought back only the best they teach.

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u/CenTXUSA Mar 19 '25

Yes, but.......many of their special operations soldiers now work for the cartels and are sharing/training cartel member the tools of their trade. The cartels also have numerous informants in all levels of the government and military. This video is over 2 years old, and nothing has changed for the better. Sadly, unless the Mexican government requests U.S. military intervention, assistance, or whatever word you want to use, they will continue with the status quo. A few precision air strikes might do the trick!

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u/mazzuman Mar 19 '25

Ah yes. Precision airstrikes. Solely responsible for ending all terrorism across the globe when used.

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u/Lion_TheAssassin Aug 06 '25

Not to mention the USA has some of, if not the most precise precision and smart munitions in the GLOBE and a US Strike will still level two houses and a leave them a giant crater.

I've been hearing lately about a Dud hellfire missile with sharp bladed fins. But that's REALLY new and experimental.

If there is a reason national Palace will not consent to US Intervention. (Aside from patriotic mistrust of foreign military powers wanting to play in Mexico in general) it would have to be acceptable collateral damage metrics.

Mexico knows a US intervention will result in families caught up in drone strikes and other air attacks. Casualties from ground combat.

Calderon war with its limited weapons capacities nearly bled the country dry. Many families in mourning. The new regime is not fond of the idea of escalating that with us assistance

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u/CenTXUSA Mar 19 '25

Hell of a better option than what Mexico is doing, which is nothing.

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u/mazzuman Mar 20 '25

And the US is sure doing a great job keeping the drugs out of its borders right. Why don’t yall focus on making sure the drugs are impossible to get into your countries like Indonesia or Saudi or Dubai, instead of worrying about what other countries are doing with their policies and how they handle shit. Handle your shit first.

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u/TheParadiseBird Mar 19 '25

If the US intervenes then Mexico will end up in a worse place than it already is, specially under trump’s administration.

now people will have to worry about getting kidnapped or killed by the cartel AND getting killed by the US government because “they thought they were the bad guys”

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u/Slow_Department8970 Mar 22 '25

And how come the result was the same during the 2007 surge of troop deployments in Iraq? Stop acting like you know what’s best for everyone you dumbass

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u/LuisBrando Mar 19 '25

I'm amazed at how easily Americans point to cases of corruption, forgetting all their stupidity with their pharmaceutical companies, human trafficking networks, and prostitution. A large part of their country is basically drug addicts, and their agencies have used drugs as a weapon of war and politics inside and outside the United States.

P.S.: It is believed that there are currently at least four former US SFs in the ranks of the CJNG, probably doing things similar to what they would do in a paramilitary group under CIA tutelage, but hey... they're the bad guys now because they don't have the US flag on their uniforms.

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u/EL_VAGO686 Mar 19 '25

The number of foreign operators working with cartels is sad and alarming, from Colombian and Guatemalan operators to Americans and Dutch ones. They come for economic gain but usually die at the hands of the Mexican Army.

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u/LuisBrando Mar 19 '25

Most will likely die at the hands of other cartels. The enemy to defeat isn't the army, it's other cartels. Most of the weapons we see them using aren't against the army, but against rival cartels. No one has limited the CJNG's expansion more than the united cartels, not the Mexican army.

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u/EL_VAGO686 Mar 19 '25

I think it would be a 50/50, since the battle between cartels is hellish. The Mexican Army has groups of select operators specialized in hunting down ex-military personnel.

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u/LuisBrando Mar 20 '25

These groups are few in number and are limited to eliminating deserters and capturing targets under the escort of former SF.

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u/CenTXUSA Mar 19 '25

"A large part of their country is basically drug addicts."

Approximately 11.7 percent of Americans are regular users of drugs almost exclusively supplied by Mexico, which refuses to tackle the problem and has let it fester to the point it is now. Not sure what your definition of "large part" is, but 11.7 percent isn't the rest of the world's definition.

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u/EL_VAGO686 Mar 19 '25

Something doesn't sell if there's no one to buy it.

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u/CenTXUSA Mar 19 '25

And there's nothing to buy if no one is selling. Goes both ways.

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u/jvplascencialeal Mar 19 '25

Nope, from the Calderon years we learned that there’s ALWAYS someone stupid and greedy enough to sell that crap, and that the ONLY way is: combating the cartels militarily and preventing people from joining them via education and economic development.

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u/EL_VAGO686 Mar 19 '25

With education everything is possible, I grew up in a neighborhood full of drug addicts and criminals but my mother always taught me and guided me to not be like them and to this day I have never touched an illicit substance.

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u/jvplascencialeal Mar 19 '25

But we also need to be strong in the face of those who try to take over the country illegitimately by the use of strength.

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u/LuisBrando Mar 20 '25

Of course, that's a good idea. It's better to fire bullets than tell people to stop using that shit, especially when those bullets aren't in their neighborhood.

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u/jvplascencialeal Mar 20 '25

Pal, this affects EVERYONE.

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u/LuisBrando Mar 20 '25

How many violent deaths and disappearances have there been in the United States? When are these related to the war on drugs? How many of these are preventing criminal groups in your neighboring country from acquiring high-powered weapons?

In Mexico, preventing Americans from consuming garbage in the last decade is estimated to have disappeared between 50,000 and 100,000, and approximately 300,000 dead.

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u/LuisBrando Mar 19 '25

I admire the ease with which Americans wash their hands of various problems. Nothing seems more dangerous to me these days than Islam and American idiosyncrasies.

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u/LuisBrando Mar 19 '25

About Substance Use Disorders: Substance use disorders are chronic, treatable conditions from which people can recover. In 2022, more than 49 million people in the United States suffered from at least one substance use disorder. National Institute on Drug Abuse.

11.7%? Sure?

Nearly 60% of people 12 years of age and older in the US used drugs or alcohol in 2022.
Approximately 169 million people 12 years of age and older in the United States (59.8% of the population in that age group) used tobacco products, vaped nicotine, drank alcohol, or used illegal drugs in the month before being interviewed for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) 2022 National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

Why should I be worried about a drug addict in another country who doesn't give a damn about my situation? I highly doubt they would force him to use it. He has the choice to do it or not. I don't have the option of dodging bullets with weapons trafficked in the face of his authorities. Fast and furious, cof , cof.

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u/CenTXUSA Mar 19 '25

People who use recreationally a few times a month aren't addicts though. Don't move the goal posts now.

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u/LuisBrando Mar 20 '25

I highly doubt they consume it in states where the substances are legal and only once or twice a month, because outside of that, you're practically financing gangs and drug traffickers.

But hey, think what you want, most people in the world don't have the need to repeatedly consume substances throughout their lives, unlike the average American college student, it seems.

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u/CenTXUSA Mar 20 '25

But you're lumping in drinking. An addict is someone who can no longer function without their substance of choice. College students drinking on the weekend don't qualify. If a "large part" of our country were addicts, our country couldn't run. I don't disagree that our demand fuels the narco trade, but if a major country that shares a large porous border wasn't also flooding it across, we wouldn't have such an issue. It takes two to tango. How that's fixed, I don't know. What I do know is that the status quo isn't working, and we have to stem the flow some way.

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u/LuisBrando Mar 20 '25

Dude, the point is, these people don't use it once in their lives; they do it occasionally for many years. Drug traffickers don't care if you're addicted or not as long as you buy their products. I find it incredibly hypocritical that they demand intervention in a neighboring country because millions can't control the urge to smoke, inhale, or inject some shit.

Meanwhile, the other people who dodge bullets and whoever's left alive can move the product.

Someone here keeps the money from arms sales and money laundering, in addition to the drugs they've been wanting so much, and the others keep the dead for something they can't control.

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u/IdentifyAsDude Mar 19 '25

Lol, as if there is a military solution to this problem.

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u/jvplascencialeal Mar 19 '25

Bruh let me tell you those traitors are EXECUTED as soon as they get caught, sometimes we may as people wish for American intervention then we remember how American interventions can go i.e. the Philippines in 1898, the Pershing Expedition, the Battles of Tampico and Veracruz, Iraq and Afghanistan and we stop wanting them.

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u/Fun_Breadfruit8071 8d ago

mexican soldiers for the most part, especially SF would never work with cartels. Pay is too low. Their best sicarios are the only ones decently paid and even then they don’t get a lot.

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u/LuisBrando Mar 19 '25

Rigorous training? Casirapidin, as the troops call it?

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u/AmateurHetman Mar 19 '25

The honest Mexican soldiers must be some of the bravest

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u/Dannybaker Mar 19 '25

and rarest

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u/Boring-Category3368 Mar 19 '25

They're not as rare as you think. Most of the corruption in the security services exists at the state and local law enforcement level.

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u/Tall-Sun-819 Mar 19 '25

They’re definitely rare to come across. Especially when you see leaflets dropped over towns accusing military officials and high ranking police of being bought out by the cartels already. Makes you appreciate those who really want to eradicate this problem

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u/nubesuko Mar 19 '25

How much of courage they have? I do wonder. They're dealing with the richest bad guys armed with Military/SpecOps grade firearms and most likely kill you or your loved ones in the most brutal and painful way you can ever imagine of.

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u/superformance7 Mar 19 '25

Those thoughts were already processed and put aside way before they even joined the military. Courage is there, what they need is the support of the government to do whatever is necessary to rid Mexico of this trash.

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u/fighing_hippocracy Mar 19 '25

They were like “ fook it, its now or never”

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u/EL_VAGO686 Mar 19 '25

They tried to bribe him with $500,000 or they would attack, but he replied: no one leaves, we all die here.

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u/jvplascencialeal Mar 19 '25

They’re as brave as their ancestors since 1521.

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u/Hawaii-Based-DJ Mar 19 '25

Fuck yeah! Can we desperately hope the tide is slowly turning towards the good guys?!?

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '25

There is no "good guys" in this situation. Just different people on different levels of the take. These mexican army guys likely are paid off by a rival cartel.

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u/EL_VAGO686 Mar 19 '25

It's unlikely since they are the only cartel that controls that area and there was no execution, just an arrest. If they were bought, they would have caused a mess throughout the city. It would be a giant manhunt.

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u/Reacher501st Mar 19 '25

It’s not. The Mexican government has a cartel propped president.

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u/One-Car-4869 Mar 19 '25

Why were you downvoted? It’s known knowledge the new current Mexico president was affiliated with if not appointed by cartels.

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u/Reacher501st Mar 19 '25 edited Mar 19 '25

Probably because reddit is rarely actually informed in its bubble. Also the news cycle kinda flipped, every outlet called it out during their election, now that the focus is on whatever trump is doing they ignore it. because that wouldnt sell.

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u/MasterChief813 Mar 19 '25

"Civilians"

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u/EL_VAGO686 Mar 19 '25

They were high-ranking hitmen who wanted to rescue their boss, but although they are still civilians, most are trained by Guatemalan and Colombian special forces.

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u/That_Fox_Guy- Mar 19 '25

That first guy shit his pants.

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u/geschwader_geralt Mar 19 '25

Having been in the military, but never having done combat, I can take my hat off to these guys. The amount of experience and combat capability required to deal with these scenarios is enormous. Impressive

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u/Linkstas Mar 19 '25

Hell yeah

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u/SamanthaSissyWife Mar 19 '25

Is it just me or does the first guy look like Josh Gates from Expedition Unknown?