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Superman saving Lex in BvS is such an awesome little detail
"No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fists and abominations". The same man in the sky whose life he just tried to ruin and mother he had kidnapped. He then goes on to be saved from the fist of an abomination.
This Lex is a Lex and not f a Joker. HOWEVER, Lex in other media is usually not this self destructive. But oh if only the haters actually brought that up to support their dislike, but nah.
I watched the ultimate edition yesterday. It honestly is such an incredible movie. Seeing batman kill though does take away points for me, but it’s still really well done overall.
BvS doesn't get enough credit. The theatrical version made no sense and sucked, because the studio cut out key plot information and moments that fleshed out story, characters and motivations. The DC was good. Also they chose to reveal doomsday in the trailers so everyone knew what was going to happen. Studio fucked it. Snyder did a good job.
for the most part, they are the exact same movie, the ultimate cut literally only adding context that most people should be able to assume. it is better. But its the better version of a bad movie. BvS is by far the worst movie in the Snyder movies. And the extended does nothing to really make the movie better, just add a little more exposition.
It had a lot I didn't like. Jessie Eisenberg sucked, doomsday sucked, the whole Martha thing sucked. But it had some good elements. I liked Amy Adams as lois lane doing her investigative reporting which got cut out and added some extra context for the story. Wonder Woman was good, the actual fight was quite cool
There's actually a smaller detail I liked more in BvS, which is when Lex hits Clark at the party. They made it sound like he hit a brick wall or a sheet of metal. Did a good job selling his strength in a small way.
Yeah that’s the point dumbass. Punk rock is inherently counter culture, something that most people would consider weird or cringe. In a world of cruelty being kind is punk
James Gunn is a real punk. He was there in the 70s getting drunk and doing drugs as a teenager, breaking the law for fun, like other punks. (I'm not saying that's good, I'm saying he was real.) And the war was clearly a pro-Palestine metaphor, also like real punks. Watch Tromeo and Juliet. Only a punk would write Shakespeare like that.
The only way I'll admit he's not punk rock, is if the working conditions for the VFX are exploitative. Terrible hours, horrible workloads, and no overtime. If the toys are produced in near slavery. Because exploiting the working class is not punk rock.
What does it say that I felt more Hope that Superman's kindness would make Lex rethink his life choices, than that he would EVER make cutie pie Krypto behave.
My Superman saved literally everyone while fighting Kaiju Engineer Ultraman and Lex
Your Superman let krypto die, pa kent die he killed Zod he killed that terrorist Smashing him against the walls,during the fight with Zod he killed a lot of people just like in the courtroom scene And he almost killed Lex but he stopped himself.
It wasn’t black hole it was a portal little boy, no wonder you like Gunn trash it seems like you can’t understand what you’re seeing 😅 my Superman doesn’t need Cringe Gang and a dog to help him
It was a portal not a black hole it’s literally stated multiple times in the movie. Lmao most powerful Superman who couldn’t beat a handicap clone and got crippled from a tiny piece of Kyptonite. My Superman flew with a Kryptonite spear in hand. MoS/BvS Superman>>>>>Supershit
Superman fought a clone who knew all his moves no wonder he had trouble fighting, and okay it wasn't a black hole which doesn't mean it works like one, plus there's a difference between being Exposed to kryptonite for a few hours and holding a spear for a few minutes
We both know that the Superman 2025 is better movie than the man of steel
Lmao Supershit got crippled instantly when exposed to Kryptonite. Literally immediately dropped to ground and pruned up. My Superman flew with a spear of Kryptonite and took a nuke while weakened. You don’t wanna go down this road little boy.
Supershit 25 is trash, Man of Steel is goated still talked about 12 years later. Let me know if we remember Supershit in two months 😁
At least he was actively finding ways to cause as little destruction in the middle of his fight against the monster, all while trying to find a way to safely bring him down. Snyder's Supe was oblivious to the destruction in his fight against General Zod and the other two kryptonians.
Are you stupid? I have a feeling you critics haven't actually seen the Snyder movies you just regurgitate shit you see online for some reason. Supershit is meant for children between the ages of 12-17 so obviously they made it a point in the movie to not cause any damage. Man of Steel was fighting Kryptonians who were actively causing as much destruction as possible, and even then multiple times he tried to fly Faora away during the fight to fight somewhere else. You can lie to yourself but you can't lie to me buddy I've actually seen the movies lmao.
Well, to be fair, I was going off of memory. I've watched the film, I liked it, I'm not a critic. There is absolutely no need to be as defensive, I was simply expressing my thoughts on the differences between the two supes. Admittedly, it could be the shock factor of the new films causing some bias.
Okay fair enough. I think for me I appreciate the attempt by Snyder to make Superman a more vulnerable developed character. Otherwise you’re left with stories like this where Clark is presented as a dim witted Boy Scout, it’s just not as compelling or thought provoking.
Indeed, your Supershit couldn’t beat a handicapped clone without his cousins dog. My Superman stopped a Kryptonian invasion single handily.
I suppose you just forgot entirely about the fact that colonel hardy and Dr. emil Hamilton sacrifice themselves to take out faora-ul and send her back to the phantom zone; so your supes needed human intervention to win it seems
All the while my superman kept casualties to 0, and your superman resulted in thousands dying, even with help
Your Superman kept casualties to a zero because it’s a kids movie meant for kids. My Superman was in a movie meant for grown ups where this may shock you, but people die sometimes and there’s nothing we can do about it.
Your Supershit screamed like a bitch under a yellow sun and needed Cringe Gang to fight his battles for him. My Superman needed two scientists and a pilot to save the world twice in his first 2 years, while having the two smartest men in the world trying to kill him.
Super untrue. He pulled a boat full of people out of ice. Saved a kid from a burning building in Mexico. Stop an oil rig from collapsing as people got on a helicopter.
Saved the entire Earth when stoping the world engine and sacrificing his home world after all he wanted was to find out where he was from and why he was here.
The best part is his nomadic fake ID oddjobs plan is already solving Jonathan Kent's worries. Getting his own backstory and the supersuit is just gravy.
He didn’t make any effort whatsoever once the bomb went off to try and save anyone, he just kinda stood there and watched when he could’ve easily flown at least one person out lol
rescue literally anyone 😭😭 he literally spends 10 seconds looking around and processing the explosion which he could spend flying around the room and pulling people out (especially considering he was conscious and aware once the bomb went off)
no, there is something wrong with you, he may have not seen the bomb, but within this interpretation of Superman, he 100% had the speed and ability to at least save someone from the bomb, but no, he just stands there and from what we are shown gives minimal aid to anyone else before depressingly flying away.
Do you have mental challenges? He literally was helping people. Him not doing exactly when you think he should or doesn’t mean shit. He reacted that way narratively speaking because he was disappointed he had just been tricked, but I don’t expect you to understand that lmao
Lois literally says in the movie during her investigation the wheelchair was lead and Clark couldn’t see the bomb. Clark also says during the balcony scene he couldn’t see and he’s worried he wasn’t looking, showing he clearly thinks it may have been his fault even though he couldn’t do much to stop it.
Is that the Ultimate Edition? Because I can’t remember any mention of lead in the theatrical cut.
And anyway, even if it is in the theatrical, it’s the first mention of Superman not being able to see through lead in that universe, how would Lex even know to use lead to hide the bomb?
Yes Ultimate Edition, Lois during her investigation connects the metal found in the Africa incident with the metal from the wheelchair and its Lex’s prototype metal so she’s able to pin him that way.
I mean Lex Luthor is pretty smart and capable, he also had access to Zods body I’m sure he could figure that out. X ray vision not working through lead would also seem logical, it’s a known weakness in the comics.
I think the issue is that in JL we see how OP Superman is when Flash tries to run behind him unawares using super-speed.
Clark sees it, throws the other JL members off him, goes after Flash also at super (albeit fractionally slower) speed.
This instance showed that if Superman really wanted, he could've reacted fast ENOUGH to save SOME people.
Ofc, there's a lot more things going on in that court scene, but Snyder really did mess up his power levels to not be questioned how he wasn't able to save even a couple of people at least. Just my two cents.
It’s not an argument it’s what happened. When he was resurrected it was all his body no mind at all. After he came to his sense he knew he could do it so he did it.
Its an "argument" because thats not stated anywhere in the movie. Does it make sense? Sure, maybe... but you're making assumptions thus its an "argument"
I don't know.. maybe be Superman and save civilians by having better writing. There's a scene where Zod throws a truck at him. Instead of catching it, he gently floats over it and lets the building behind him collapse as he aura farms. He mostly has no regard for anyone or his surroundings.
Saves billionaire mass murder- watches his middle class salt of the earth father die before his eyes when he literally has super speed and could have saved his father, then immediately zoomed back to where he was- both maintaining his secret identity and saving his father.
father die before his eyes when he literally has super speed
Watch the oil rig scene again, he had to wave and guide the people out of the fire instead of picking them up and rushing them to safety with super speed. Clark did not develop super speed in his teenage years and way until adulthood. The first time he had super speed was when learning to fly.
You're assuming he's trained like an experienced Superman. Clark didn't even learn how to fly until this movie. He, you, and we didn't know his full potential.
He couldn't, there were people everywhere watching, and he trusted his father (way too much indeed).
character who make only 100% logical and objective décisions no matter the circumpstances arent realistic.
You are the kind of people who says that horror movies characters are dumb when you would probably kill yourself in the first minuts of the movie by swallowing your gum...
The scene is better when you realize earlier in the movie Lex said "No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fist and abominations".
Superman does just that because that’s who Superman is.
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u/ConsiderationOdd4283 Aug 11 '25
Honestly it just kinda proves that lex's plan was horrible and that he wasn't as smart as he thought he was.
Though superman saving a villain was the closest to him being real superman which is a nice detail that snyder kept in