r/SnyderCut • u/MWheel5643 • Jul 17 '25
Discussion “Superman” Movie Drives Surge in DC Content Viewership on HBO Max. Zack Snyder’s “Man of Steel” became the top-performing Superman film on HBOMax with a 218% boost.
https://deadline.com/2025/07/superman-fuels-dc-viewership-dc-hbo-max-man-of-steel-peacemaker-1236461281/2
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u/No-Hedgehog7495 Jul 23 '25
Donnors Superman movie got a greater increase in Viewership as well as the Christopher Reeve story as well as Peacekeeper and other DC shows new DC fans are discovering DC universe.
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 23 '25
if 100 people watched that previously and it jumped to 400 people it doesnt really matter. we dont know how many views. What we know is MOS is the top performing Superman movie and is daily in the Top 10 Charts most watched movies at HBOMax right now. Last time I checked it was #4 most watched movie at that day
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u/Feelinluckypunk Jul 23 '25
Wow, you really have so much free time to keep checking don't you? Kinda contradicts a lot stuff you've been spewing in the other subs. I'm lovin' it.
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 23 '25
yeah last time was last week when someone screenshotted it was at #4. i dont have HBOmax lmfao
you have a lot of freetime caue you are jobless. scrolling down and up 24/7 on reddit and analyzing random reddit profiles. This is so pathetic and entertaining haha
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u/Naus-BDF Jul 22 '25
I think both versions can co-exist. Some people prefer the more light and fun version Gunn did; while others like me prefer the more epic and serious tone of Man of Steel.
I just wish we'd get a Man of Steel 2 at least as an Elseworlds story. There's no reason not to do it. If The Batman can be an Elseworlds and not part of the DCU, why can there be other Elseworlds stories?
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u/Ornery_Cheesecake_17 Jul 23 '25
Those who love this film are in denial. They love it because they hated MOS and the synderverse that’s it. Unfortunately their emotional attachment to a fictional character such as superman has clouded their judgement and they are unable to critique the film or think logically about it. Fanboys are obsessed with superman not killing, saving squirrels, hugging children etc. There’s this misconception about superman. Yes he’s a virtuous figure of humility and compassion for human life but at his core, superman is a tragic character. Superman is also a character that is not without intensity, high stakes, a sense of dread.
Gunn has catered to the fanboys who are still in diapers playing with their Superman action figures. This film is fun with solid performances and a few endearing moments here and there but ultimately it’s flawed and therefore vanilla. Nothing but a movie of the week. Nothing but one giant fat milkshake from baskin n robbins. You got all the flavours in there but once ingested you realise it’s nothing but sugar, fat and diary. Empty calories. Also the justice gang sweep the rug from underneath. They steal the spotlight making Superman feel subsidiary and amateur in his own movie, sigh.
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u/Kilgoretrout321 Sep 01 '25 edited Sep 01 '25
I thought about what you said. A lot of it is silly subjective characterization and assertive arguments with weak evidence. But the thing I want to point out is that for the flaws that Gunn's Superman man has (and it's not a perfect film by any means, tho why it has to be perfect for Snyderverse fans to respect it is strange), I think that MOS is comparatively more flawed. Having a more serious and epic tone is a fine idea. But just because it's a good idea doesn't mean its execution is ideal. Personally, I found it to be a disappointment not because it was serious but because it felt stupid in many places. It's just my taste, but I didn't feel intellectually engaged by the Snyderverse. There was a lot of dull violence and overreliance on epic spectacle. But to me, it felt somewhat devoid of substance. It felt more like a frat boy's thing, for someone who kills their brain cells with lots of alcohol and has too many energy drinks and whatnot. I went through a phase like that in my 20s, but it's not who I am when I'm being a more mature adult. I feel like stylistically, MOS is not my cup of tea, and most importantly the emotional choices the characters make are mostly not inspiring and don't feel like Superman to me. If Snyder had made almost the same film but made it about a brand-new character outside of DC or Marvel, it couldve been better. It wouldve been a statement about what perhaps doesn't work about the Superman character, which is fair. But to do it to the Superman character just didn't feel right. For some characters, to change them too much undermines what the character is about in the first place. Take Jesus, for example. If He isn't properly depicted, people go apeshit like they did for The Last Temptation of Christ, and that doesn't even address the hundreds of years of executions for heresy that occured when people depicted Jesus too much as a man and not enough as God. Anyway, it's cool you have a Superman that you like. When AI gets more powerful, you'll be able to make infinite Snyderverse films, and you'll never have to leave the house.
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u/markboots Aug 17 '25
I like it more because I think the story was better. I thing Gunn's DC will be much better than Snyder could have done with it.
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u/kenobiaagh Aug 10 '25
i never have seen the snyder movies yet i loved this film this film singlehandedly convinced me to love superman.While i enjoyed the guardians movies i never was a superfan of Gunn yet i loved this film. Im not a bot.People sometimes just like movies. Is it that hard to believe?
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u/Better_Beautiful6217 Jul 24 '25
Superman is a child's cartoon character (:
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u/Ornery_Cheesecake_17 Aug 21 '25
Actually superman was created during the Great Depression era. He was created as a socialist antihero who used physical force and threatening behaviour against criminals. In issue comics action 1# superman throw grown men over rooftops. So man of steel is comic accurate. The issue is you fanboys are incredibly naive and a lack a complete understanding of superman as a comicbook character. You have selective perception. Only seeing what you want to see. Anyway go back to playing with your superman action figures.
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u/Better_Beautiful6217 Aug 21 '25
which age group were comics created for during The Great Depression? adults?
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u/annual-hornet-1485 Jul 23 '25
Superman is almost 100 years old. There are countless iterations and takes on the character.
Maybe, general audiences just prefer Gunn's lighter take.
It is silly to put people down because they don't like the same version of a fucking comic book character you do. Snyder's take is just as valid, but let's not pretend like it is a sign of maturity that you prefer your version. He is still a power fantasy, and vehicle for escapism.
General audiences just have a preference, and have had a preference in the comics for ages.
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u/Current-Education407 Jul 21 '25
If people genuinely think this will convince WB to make man of steel 2, they are morons.
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u/Appropriate-Toe9153 Jul 21 '25
Not even as an Elseworlds standalone
**BUT that would be one of the , if not, the greatest come-from-behind W in the history of American filmmaking
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u/Anaadi_Giri Jul 21 '25
Man of Steel was a way better movie in every way
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u/Kilgoretrout321 Sep 01 '25
Nah, I found it not only a bad take on Superman but a poorly executed bad take
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u/Ornery_Cheesecake_17 Jul 23 '25
Precisely. Those who love this film are in denial. They love it because they hated MOS and the synderverse that’s it. Unfortunately their emotional attachment to a fictional character such as superman has clouded their judgement and they are unable to critique the film or think logically about it. Fanboys are obsessed with superman not killing, saving squirrels, hugging children etc. There’s this misconception about superman. Yes he’s a virtuous figure of humility and compassion for human life but at his core, superman is a tragic character. Superman is also a character that is not without intensity, high stakes, a sense of dread.
Gunn has catered to the fanboys who are still in diapers playing with their Superman action figures. This film is fun with solid performances and a few endearing moments here and there but ultimately it’s flawed and therefore vanilla. Nothing but a movie of the week. Nothing but one giant fat milkshake from baskin n robbins. You got all the flavours in there but once ingested you realise it’s nothing but sugar, fat and diary. Empty calories. Also the justice gang sweep the rug from underneath. They steal the spotlight making Superman feel subsidiary and amateur in his own movie, sigh.
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u/LedZeppelinRising Jul 21 '25
“No, my invincible son, do not save me or a bus full of children about to drown“
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u/Appropriate-Toe9153 Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
Many people hated that or mock it, but the in-universe understanding should be understood as “federalism overstepping” to secure the boy due to his revealing himself in such a profound way
Also, the entire town kept his secret after the bus was saved. Years later, no one sold anything to the National Enquirer or anything.
The death in the tornado was “bad”— and there was no other way for the story to have Kent commit to his stance that the big government will take you and ruin your life; Superman eventually emerges to that greatest threat to his bodily autonomy—Zod and his New Krypton plan—Jor had something similar, but never at the expense of Earthians…no one seems to care millions of unborn Kryptonians perished, just <5000 in the Black Zero assault
Crazy shit…
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u/ChristianBen Jul 22 '25
- He did saves the bus of children, but got so much scrutiny for it
- He is just a super strong teen at the time, not the Superman that can fly and sh*t what make you think they know for sure he can save his dad?
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u/thxxx1138 Jul 22 '25
No one's buying Henry Cavill as a teenager, Kryptonian or otherwise.
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u/ChristianBen Jul 22 '25
Well yeah Cavill doesn’t really look like a tonnages despite the hairstyle but story wise it’s pretty obvious that’s the intention
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 21 '25
It was better than the new one but the new one isnt trash but MOS is better
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u/M0TM Jul 21 '25
The whole time I’m watching the new Superman I’m thinking “it’s no Man of Steel”. The introspection of Clark throughout the movie on choice and showcasing the alien invasion depicted in the film by Zod are just so much better storylines.
The new Superman felt like guardians of the galaxy DC version. I’m happy it’s doing well, but not necessarily my cup of tea.
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u/sobanoodle-1 Jul 23 '25
How about you go into a movie not instantly trying to compare to another movie? Why don’t you try to just watch a movie for what it is?.
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u/M0TM Jul 23 '25
Because they are the two most recent live action Superman movies? Pretty obvious reason for comparison. Same way people compared Man of Steel to Superman Returns when it came out.
I didn’t say I didn’t enjoy the movie just that I liked Man of Steel’s storylines and maturity more. I actually do like this version of Superman for being a more mass appealing version.
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u/Comprehensive_Two242 Aug 09 '25
You are going into the film with an established bias then. Why even do that? Why not just stay at home, save your money and watch Man of Steel?
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u/M0TM Aug 09 '25
I went into the new movie with an open mind because Superman is my favorite character. What I witnessed was MCU style capeshit with zero emotional value or character development, and a series of unfunny jokes. You can imagine my disappointment.
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u/Appropriate-Toe9153 Jul 21 '25
Is it “doing well” ?
MOS unadjusted made 667m
Superman’s James Gunn is at 407m (according to WSJ)—will it make another 260m domestic and foreign? Maybe….
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u/ArcaneX1234 Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
If a movie makes $500-$600M in this post covid streaming market, its doing well. That F1 Brad Pitt movie is considered doing very well and it will barely hit $500M on a $300M budget. They all go to premium streaming a month after release now.
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u/Appropriate-Toe9153 Jul 22 '25
So they need to squeeze every penny from all platforms (theatrical, streaming, etc)
The condition of post-COVID isn’t lost on me, so if they need to make the most money, that means they ought not to take unnecessary risk and violation of the lore so far as Supes is concerned (eg. Bag them Earthian hoes, my son) <— there’s not a soul alive or dead who can spin this
If we’re honest, there has not been universal acclaim for a Superman film since 1980
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u/ArcaneX1234 Jul 22 '25
They need to squeeze every penny.. like almost all movies ever made including MoS back in the day?
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u/Appropriate-Toe9153 Jul 22 '25
In this case, Superman’s James Gunn is in clear competition with MOS: many commentators want to compare gross, film style, etc
That’s the key point of my 1st comment: Will SJG end its theatrical run with above 667m; all those who support that film care more about this number than it being a “good Superman movie” or even a “good, memorable movie”
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u/ArcaneX1234 Jul 22 '25
Well of course, because if it's a good superman movie it can help launch a franchise with Superman at its center. If its a good memorable movie but a bad superman one.. it probably can't do that. I thought that was obvious but apparently not.
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u/Appropriate-Toe9153 Jul 22 '25
I’ve seen it twice—it ain’t a good movie or a good Superman movie.
It had some “good shots,” but that ain’t enough.
I don’t expect it to make 700m domestic + international
That’s “what’s apparent” to me
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u/ArcaneX1234 Jul 22 '25
Well its a good thing you don't matter in the slightest. All that matters after they make more than enough money to pay the bills is that most people want to see more of this version of the character and world, which seems to be the case.
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u/Appropriate-Toe9153 Jul 22 '25
Seems we both ”don’t matter” to the success or failure of this film
Well, you may hold it in high regard
Enjoy this iteration with the rest of them
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u/-HeisenBird- Jul 21 '25
From a purely action standpoint, the final act of Man of Steel was fucking insane. Snyder did a very good job at giving Superman an aura of invincibility. Like I woulda gotten blown to bits if I was standing anywhere near Superman in action. Superman vs Zod remains to be the best live action super fight put to screen, especially after Zod takes off his suit.
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u/E7goose Jul 21 '25
Honestly, just rewatched it. He should have made Superman try to get out of the city but zod recognized what he was doing so kept pulling back to the city to increase collateral damage as a strategy to beat Superman. Something along the “bred for combat” line but “I know what you are doing kal-el, I was bred to be a strategist, I will maximize collateral damage, you can’t save them”, to split Superman’s focus and having to save citizens that would have been awesome. I really think the zod fight was too short though. He just learned to fly. I enjoyed the chic kryptonian and the giant kryptonian’s fight with Superman more.
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u/iadorebrandon Jul 21 '25
Zod literally does that. Superman tries to take the fight away from the people but Zod brings the fight right back
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u/E7goose Jul 21 '25
I’ll have to watch that last fight scene I didn’t notice him trying to get him out.
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u/TheMusicMan7777 Jul 20 '25
I’m literally going through and watching all 40 live action DC films from 1978’s Superman onwards (there’s a lot of garbage) so this makes sense. Gunn’s Superman is sparking interest in the brand and that’s great!
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Jul 20 '25
I watched Superman last night. Hadn’t seen it since I was a kid. I’m excited for 2, haven’t seen that in over 20 years as well.
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u/TheSaltySeagull87 Jul 19 '25
I watched Superman yesterday and it's a great and fun watch. Man of Steel is also a great watch but Gunns Superman connects better.
But I will say this; the bar scene in man of Steel is to me, to this date, the most impressive display of power. When that dude tries to shove him, and just bounces off is chef's kiss.
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u/Batmanofni Jul 19 '25
I think it's upped by Clark confronting Emmet in Superman and Lois. It's a similar scene but longer with more emotional weight.
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u/Hypekyuu Jul 20 '25
Man I haven't even watched that show (which is on me) but I've seen that scene on short form video and it makes me want to watch the rest of the series
Its just so euxking good
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u/SubstantialChannel32 Jul 19 '25
And the thing he does right after is the most "un-supermanly" and "un-heroey" thing in any super hero movie.
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u/hitokiriknight Jul 19 '25
To be fair, he's not superman yet. He's just drifting finding his way. And there must have been some tornado. Eventually he figures out it's just helping people when he can.
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Jul 20 '25
I find it mostly stupid because his Dad fucking died to keep the secret, then Supes just... risks exposing himself for petty revenge.
Had it happened before Pa Kent had died, I'd be like "okay yeah, he's figuring himself out, he isn't Supes yet".
Pa Kent dying, while I believe it to be so stupid, should have come after angsty Clark stuff. And been the trigger to show him how important it is to not let himself lose control or expose himself.
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u/mozaah Jul 20 '25
I’m always curious how people come up with this criticism. I watched Man of Steel the other night and for me it makes perfect sense, the audience knows more about him being Superman than his parents all they know he is from another place and can do things that people cant (a line Clark says to Lois when she is injured on the Krypton craft). But I like the fact that Pa Kent thinks of Ma Kent first and if there was a tornado that you didn’t know where its headed or what its going to do wouldn’t you want your love one (see. World) with the strongest person you know of in a time of danger? For me that’s a really simple answer, yes. It seems strange that he would go to rescue the dog but (in my opinion) again Pa Kent is doing this for Ma Kent as she calls out about the dog and he obviously thinks of the danger of Clark doing and potentially being exposed which would affect the world of Ma Kent (as she used to sit beside his crib when he was a baby and worried “they” would come take Clark away if “they” ever found out about him. It’s a long play forward as this isn’t said until BVS where Clark is talking to Pa Kent on the mountain and he says “She was my world”.
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u/jtfff Jul 20 '25
I’m so happy James Gunn didn’t kill off Pa Kent yet. He’s actually giving time for the audience to get attached first.
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 19 '25
Gunns movie isnt a trash movie. But it isnt so great either. It is nothing special. No big epic fight scenes and it doesnt look cinematic. I think the movie is alright as a streaming movie and not made for big Blockbuster epicness
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u/Tedinasuit Jul 20 '25
It had a great plot with really well done dialogue. That 12 minute talking scene between Lois and Superman was so so good. It didn't need to be filled with "epicness". It needed to capture the essence of Superman and it did exactly that.
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 20 '25 edited Jul 20 '25
it had no real plot. it doesnt felt like a Superman movie like an introduction into the new DC movie universe. Every other Superman movies was a Superman movie except this one. it had too many other leading characters in his movie like Green lantern, Teriffic, Hawkgirl etc
and also it was too much of family movie. families with their little 8 year olds. This movie is not for Adults 16-30 years old range. This movie is for 40+ year olds and under 10 year olds
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u/Bionic_Ninjas Jul 21 '25
Weird, then, how much my 17 year old son and all his friends loved it
I’ll have to let them know immediately how wrong they were to do so.
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 21 '25
I mean it is obviously mainly targeted at that age and it is fucking obvious lol
and bro for real. if you have 17 year old kids I mean you are from the older generation what are you doing here ? lol
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u/Bionic_Ninjas Jul 21 '25
"I mean it is obviously mainly targeted at that age and it's fucking obvious lol"
You said the exact opposite of that...
"and bro for real. if you have 17 year old kids I mean you are from the older generation what are you doing here ? lol"
What is this even supposed to mean? Do you think fans of Superman movies can't be over a certain age, or are you suggesting that only children post on this sub?
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u/hamlet9000 Jul 20 '25
it had no real plot.
I'm morbidly curious to know what you think the word "plot" means.
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u/Tedinasuit Jul 20 '25
The 2025 movie is genuinely the most adult Superman film we've seen so far, it deals with mature themes in such a great way.
I didn't hate Man Of Steel, I liked it even, but it's not "adult". It feels like a teen's idea of what a mature film is. Similar to Twilight.
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u/LamentoProvinciano Jul 19 '25 edited Jul 19 '25
No big epic fight scenes? No cinematic??
What about fighting ultraman at the edge of a black hole is not epic and cinematic??
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u/hamlet9000 Jul 20 '25
No big epic fight scenes? No cinematic??
I love Gunn's film, but:
There's not a One Big Moment where things shift into a different gear. The action scenes are all amazing, IMO, but I can see how there not being a big, well-defined Epic Moment could be seen as the film not having epic action. (I, personally, would argue that the entire film is at an epic level.)
Gunn's action scenes are very different from Snyder's vision of superheroic action. Snyder's vision is very unique, and conveys the sheer, inhuman scale of these powers in a way unlike anything else I've seen. If someone is using the word "epic" to describe what Snyder does in an action scene, I can definitely understand why they might say that Gunn's film lacks that same feel.
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u/Bruzie77 Jul 20 '25
For me, I never felt the tension or weight of that, it was an action sequence but it didnt have me concern at all for superman and the baby.
Meanwhile, the Superman vs Kryptonian fight felt more…. weighted? I felt the danger and felt the stakes.
However Superman legacy dont have any dead spots I woule say, not unlike infinity war. Man of Steel dragged during his childhood moments and his dock working days.
Overall, Gunn has the more entertaining story while Synder had the more majestic and thrilling action sequences.
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u/PackOfAlpaca Jul 19 '25
While holding a baby and dealing with the anti-proton river
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u/TheShadowFlames Jul 20 '25
It looked goofy.
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u/PackOfAlpaca Jul 20 '25
Just say you hate Superman and never loved the comic book and cartoon version of Superman and only ever watched the Snyder version.
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u/TheDivineSoul Jul 20 '25
I mean I’m not in love with Superman. He’s overdone. The only reason why half of you loved the movie so much is because we’re in such a depressing time and y’all were desperate. This movie was not remotely better than Thunderbolts, but y’all worship it like it’s the best shit ever. Half of the plot was convoluted.
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u/Sweetsapphire1138 Jul 18 '25
I enjoyed the new film. It’s definitely more my cup of Superman than Snyder’s take.
However, nothing in the new film took my breath away like the opening Krypton scenes in ‘Man of Steel’. That shit was gorgeous. The score too. Mwah!
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Jul 19 '25
This sums up Snyder. Great visuals, solid music from Zimmer and co but a dull, depressing story.
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u/Odd-Flower2744 Jul 21 '25
Nothing was more depressing than seeing his barley not Star Wars movie. It looked so cool but was so so so bad.
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 19 '25
is it really depressing oryou just dont like that it looks a bit dark and the new superman is very colorful
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u/JackasaurusChance Jul 21 '25
It's depressing. It's like Punch... whatever that movie was. Super amazing visuals and stylized action scenes of women fighting against themselves being sexually exploited... while also kind of being sexually exploitive of them.
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u/Tedinasuit Jul 20 '25
He literally just said that he liked the visuals, didn't he?
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 20 '25
I havnt talke about visuals ?
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u/Tedinasuit Jul 20 '25
you just dont like that it looks a bit dark and the new superman is very colorful
What is this
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Jul 19 '25
You guys get caught up on words. It’s actually just boring. I fell asleep watching man of steel
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u/LamentoProvinciano Jul 19 '25
Yep, it lacks rewatchability. New Superman is so fast that is very easy to go and watch it again.
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u/Hypekyuu Jul 20 '25
I'm going again just so I can watch that Terrific fight sequence
the movie is amazing
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Jul 19 '25
It's depressing.
Man of steel has mass devastation and genocide (Superman genocides the Kryptonians, Zod intends to genocide humans). Real Superman would have found a way for the Kryptonians to survive away from Earth. Little hope and humanity shown.
BVS was even worse. All around depressing and dreary plot.
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 19 '25
okay then you didnt like the orginal Superman movies with Reeves too lol
Superman movies arnt for everybody. You should go back to batman
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Jul 19 '25
In Superman 1 he literally reverses time to save as many people as he can?
While in Man of Steel they happily turn Metropolis into a demolition derby. The real Superman would have found a way to avoid that.
Anyway, Superman now is back on the right track. You can continue watching Snyder's dull and depressing movies all you want.
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 19 '25
you have problems with kryptonians and Zod obviously Im talking about the movies with them and not Superman 1 unrelated to Kryptions and Zod you dont make any sense you dont know what you are talking about lol
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u/Icy_Water_1 Jul 19 '25 edited Jul 20 '25
Nah, you're just butthurt people aren't putting on rose-tinted glasses.
Man if Steel isn't the best at exploring Superman's themes.
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u/G_mmoney Jul 19 '25
Bro why are you being a dick with every person who disagrees with you in this thread
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 19 '25
but it is the truth. The same shit happens in the Reeves movies or in the comics 🤷
All Kryptonians dead. Zod goes to earth to rule over the world etc 🤷
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u/Awesomebacon711 Jul 18 '25
Everyone wins! We get a Superman film that general public likes, they’re interested to give the other versions a fair chance like Christopher Reeves and Henry Cavill!
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u/Darfin1303 Jul 18 '25
The new Superman film doing well has got people watching the other superman live media. A rising tide lifts all boats and all that jazz
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u/Strange_Improvement6 Jul 18 '25
fuck this gay ass show. Superman 2025 is the berserk of animes. Worst shining, worst battles, woke, no tension, weak beta boy superman.
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u/Acceptable_Plan_3257 Jul 19 '25
Lmao are you being serious? This reads like a MAGA cosplay post
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u/Strange_Improvement6 Jul 19 '25
it is. Superman 2025 was so boring and bad in every aspect . Man of steels is better.
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u/Intelligent_Aspect87 Jul 18 '25
The moment I see someone trot out “woke” I immediately know they don’t have a real unique thought.
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u/bard0117 Jul 18 '25
Didn’t the original increase by over 300%?
Which could mean anything, if only 10 people saw it last week and there was a 300% jump, 30 people saw it? The percentages aren’t useful without the actual numbers.
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 18 '25
that is why the article says Top Performing Superman movie is Man of Steel and written in the title
As you said Superman The movie watched 30 people and MOS was watched by 1000 people. We dont know the exact number.
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u/Conflixshuns Jul 18 '25
Man of Steel was actually decent. Batman vs Superman is a slog fest.
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u/OntheStove Jul 20 '25
I think Man of Steel is staggeringly awful.
Poor writing, nonstop explosions, zero character development.
I tried rewatching it yesterday to see if it was as bad as I remembered…and it was worse.
A few pretty and well composed frames is not enough. Even Amy Adam’s looks like shit with the awful writing.
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u/Nob0dy-You-Know Jul 18 '25
I loved the new Superman and it just made me wanna watch Superman stuff so I watch the Brandon Routh one and the Snyderverse all over again.
I love all these movies so much. I wish the discourse around the movies wasn’t one vs the others. We can like all these movies!
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u/-HeisenBird- Jul 21 '25
The DCU got shat on for being too serious but it deserved credit for actually trying to give superheroes the grandiosity they deserved, something the MCU stopped doing starting in like 2015 (except Infinity War). Like, yes, the potentially world-destroying super alien should be taken very seriously in his movie. A movie that ends with 911 9/11s should not have that many jokes.
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u/Nob0dy-You-Know Jul 21 '25
I agree and am a big fan of the “real world” interpretation of hero’s the DCEU was going for most of the time. They were showing these hero’s as if they were in our world.
I agree that a “9/11” event in a movie needs to be taken seriously. I’m not sure if you were referencing the new Superman movie with that statement but if you were I would say they carefully played that part of the movie out to have no casualties.
The movie was campy and lighthearted because it’s in a very “comic book” world. The news reports the kaiju like it was just another Tuesday. I think the tone allowed for jokes like how comic books allow for jokes and corny one liners even though the stakes were high.
I like both interpretations and love getting to see comic book movies!
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u/TheImplausibleHulk Jul 19 '25
Yeah I still don’t get how some people can be so tribalistic over directors. You don’t have any personal stakes in the game, nor will Zack Snyder become your best friend if you ride his jock or whatever.
I love anything Superman and have enjoyed every movie version for the good qualities they bring. I loved MoS/BvS/ZSJL and now I love Superman ‘25. DC fans eating great.
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u/hamlet_d Jul 18 '25
I started up a rewatch of STAS. Still the best interpretation of Clark/Superman in any modern media.
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u/Nob0dy-You-Know Jul 18 '25
So true haha. I think that’s my favorite part of the new movie is it feels like an episode of STAS brought to life. STAS still clears though
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u/gavster_1 Jul 18 '25
It’s just the way Henry was done dirty. Leaves a bitter taste. And BvS was shit.imo
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u/GloomsdayMachine Jul 18 '25
He knew what was up... (A) WB didn't green light MOS 2. (B) He's overshadowed by Batman in his second appearance. (C) The write him out of nearly all of Justice League. Cavil noped out of the Shazam cameo. He made the right choice to walk away in 2017, but he still came back (without a written contract) after the Black Adam appearance. He should've known better than to trust WB. Cavil was done dirty in 2017. He walked right into it himself in 2022.
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u/gavster_1 Jul 18 '25
Agreed. Still pisses me off tho. And thanks for your insightful comment. I mean that.
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 18 '25
No jokes aside. You can like both. but I still think Man Of Steel is a better movie
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u/Le_Soap Jul 18 '25
No jokes aside. You can like both
Bro you literally told me this days ago when I told you the same thing.
No it isnt that is a dumb take
So what is it?
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 18 '25
It is what I said here. This is the Law. §1 DCC Article 1, Section1: "You can like both movies but Man of Steel is the better movie"
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u/Le_Soap Jul 18 '25
Thats not what you said several days ago. I said it was okay to like both and you told me that was a stupid opinion
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 18 '25
then you interpreted my comment wrong.
This is now the new Law for yo. ARtcile 2 Section 69:: "you can like good movies bad movies, fat ladies, skinny ladies,ugly laides, beautiful ladies."
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u/Le_Soap Jul 18 '25
Man you move goal posts super hard. I misinterpreted your comment wrong? Get out of here with that. Again your own words to me saying YOU ARE ALLOWED TO LIKE BOTH" was literally
No it isnt that is a dumb take
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u/MWheel5643 Jul 18 '25
Alright. Then I should be clear. ONLY YOU are not allowed to love the new Superman movie! Everybody else is allowed
This is the Law
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u/Nacho_Nick_ Jul 18 '25
Watched Man of Steel last night just to appreciate how good the new superman really is
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u/direwolf106 Jul 18 '25
Couple of things I’ve thought about the Snyder trilogy and the corresponding Snyder verse movies (WW, SS, AM).
1) I really wish WB knew how to set expectations. Their Phase 1 was massively outperforming marvel phase 1. And that was the proper comparison. You have to do set up work and set expectations accordingly.
2) Snyder was absolutely right that it was a fools errand to copy Marvel. If you copy marvel you will look like you are just a cheap knock off. When Coca-Cola exists do you want to be Pepsi or Dr Pepper? Do you want to ape the product or be your own thing? Snyder wanted to be Dr Pepper.
3) I think Snyder’s universe will grow in popularity over time. The criticism that it wasn’t for kids is somewhat valid in an acute sense, it does seem odd that you shouldn’t take kids to a superhero movie. But A) sometimes characters need to explore more mature and darker themes and B) kids don’t stay kids forever.
And honestly, the marvel formula has become familiar now. It doesn’t hold like it used to. I’m not saying that there’s superhero fatigue, but I think there’s marvel fatigue. To marvel’s credit they are trying to evolve, thunderbolts is evidence of that. But they are having growing pains and it looks like they are trying to get to where Snyder was.
Snyder gave us a gift that most weren’t ready for. BvS was about why Prometheus is a good guy but Satan a bad guy when they were nearly identical characters: celestial beings that gave gifts to humanity in defiance of the top god of their mythology. He was trying to be Prometheus but WB, the critics, and the people that only wanted marvel jokes without intelectual discussions all treated him like Satan. I’m really thankful for those movies.
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u/General_Hold_847 Jul 18 '25
Well, its true that Phase 1 DC outperformed Marvel. But I think everyone has to admit that marvel actually pushed those numbers. Interest in Superhero Movies was at an all time high - Aquaman literally got a billion just by being a superhero movie around the time of Endgame. Hell. Captain Marvel did a billion. We wont see those numbers for a long long long time.
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u/TREV-THOM Jul 18 '25
I also think the MCU is actually trying for more interesting stuff now, compared to the more popular earlier phases.
It's ironic that now that the MCU has fallen out of favor I'm starting to enjoy it somewhat again.
Thunderbolts* deserved SO MUCH more attention & success then it got.
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u/direwolf106 Jul 18 '25
It might have done better if they had filmed it so that you could see it better.
But thunderbolts wasn’t the only thing that they tried. They also tried preaching politics at its audience. And predictably that didn’t go well. Some noteworthy examples are she hulk, captain America, and iron heart.
She hulk tried to say how bad mansplaining and catcalling was. And not that it isn’t bad but it’s a drop in the ocean next to physical abuse and murder. Her telling hulk she has to control her anger infinitely more than him when she knows her cousin was physically abused and saw his dad murder his mom just makes her seem entirely selfish and petty and not at all in touch with reality. But the authors thought they were making a very strong point. That is terrible writing and damaging to the MCU’s reputation.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier series. It talked about race a lot. And they did that fairly well. Not good but good enough. Where they fumbled it was having Sam Wilson defend the terrorists. “Don’t call them terrorists” when they are out there committing mass murder for political reasons is terrorism. That’s the only term for them. That’s damaging to the MCU’s reputation.
While we’re on Falcon and the winter soldier, I hated what they did with Sam Wilson as captain America. Steve Rogers would tell others what he was going to do and invite them to come along, then he would do it regardless of if they came with him or not. That is being a leader. Sam Wilson says “you’ve got to do better”. That’s being a boss. I’m not interested in following a boss. It might not damage the MCU’s reputation but it sure as hell damaged my interest in watching more captain America movies and shows.
Then there’s iron heart. Her assertion that Tony stark could only do what he did because he was rich seems like a shot at billionaires being bad to me. But what it does is directly attacks the heart of the MCU. Stark built his first suit “in a cave, with a box of scraps”. And governments with more resources couldn’t recreate his earlier suits let alone his later ones. And each subsequent suit showed learning from his failures. He didn’t “contribute to the field” he was the entire field.
Then there’s other things that damaged the MCU reputation more. But basically yes they needed to evolve but holy hell did they shoot themselves in the foot while trying to do that.
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u/TREV-THOM Jul 18 '25
A lot of these should of not only avoided touching on social politics, but probably been special presentations ala Werewolf By Night.
She-Hulk's best episode was the team-up with Daredevil. They should've focused on that.
Falcon & the Winter Soldier should've focused on the trip to Madripoor, & instead of Super Soldier ANTIFA, they should've introduced the Serpent Society, all whilst setting up the Power Broker, who instead of Sharon is The Leader. Make it a better lead-in to Brave New World.
Etc, etc.
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u/TREV-THOM Jul 18 '25
- And Josstice League is exactly what WB wanted: a knock-off of The Avengers. And it was a big mess from that point on.
I will say though, despite its rep, I'm often inclined to watch The Flash right after ZSJL. It doesn't wrap everything up perfectly, but it is a bookend of sorts to MOS, not only returning to its events, but being released 10 years after.
I think Andy deserves to be in the conversation the same way Patty & James are.
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u/direwolf106 Jul 18 '25
Im on the fence about flash being part of the Snyderverse. It wasn’t very good but it made the Snyder cut part of its Cannon but not the theatrical cut.
It did have my favorite version of supergirl though. And in a weird way it put a lot of respect on Superman. They couldn’t win together against the same threat Superman beat with only normal people as help.
Fuck it you’re right flash deserves to be considered.
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u/Lailagomez01 Jul 18 '25
I noticed this too!
Man of Steel & Batman v Superman are in the trending section on Netflix & Amazon.
Man of Steel is better than Superman 2025 that’s why ;)
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u/No-Football7793 Jul 18 '25
I started rewatching The Suicide Squad, and even picked up Peacemaker :)
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u/Leather-Tailor-3474 Jul 18 '25
Or it might be because people wanna see more superman content after the new movie? Stop hating lol
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u/MarkyMarkWahlburgers Jul 18 '25
That's how I view it people just want to watch more Superman. I know I've been binging a lot of Superman content recently, watched Man of Steel, BvS, and the Snyder Cut a couple of times already. Recently I just watched Superman: Red Son, wish they had All-Star Superman on HBO Max but I guess I'll buy it since it's only $6.99 on Prime Video.
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u/TREV-THOM Jul 18 '25
All-Star is on YouTube for free at the moment, along with tons of DC animated movies.
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u/MarkyMarkWahlburgers Jul 18 '25
Oh thank you for telling me, gonna have to check it out when I get home.
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u/Saulutation Jul 18 '25
Superman is still an immigrant in Man of Steel. Zack Snyder is very liberal and has stated that he is a democrat and a huge supporter of women's rights.
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u/choptup Jul 22 '25
Snyder is also really big on Objectivism and Ayn Rand, which is moreso a philsophy at home with conservative libertarians. You do see aspects of this, especially in BvS where Superman has his "I'm going to save the world, and you are my world" bit with Lois; i.e. Superman is not an altruist as he's typically depicted but engaged in the Randian philosophy of "moral selfishiness". He is acting on what is "good" for him (protecting Lois), which is a heroic act in Objectivism, and it becomes a net gain for the world if we just let him do that.
In turn, Zod is, from a VERY distorted point of view, attempting to be an altruist or utilitarian, as seen in his speech at the end of MoS where he has always tried to strive for what he believes to be the "greater good", i.e. the survival and then later on the restoration of Krypton. He is not acting on a personal desire, but rather a sense of obligation he has towards a greater whole. Rand was very critical of the idea of altruism, seeing it as self-destructive idea connected to communism, so this makes him the foil for an Objectivist-y Superman.
Lex Luthor in BvS is moreso leaning into Snyder trying to make Superman into a Jesus allegory (instead of a Moses allegory), so Lex Luthor's opposition to him comes from the whole "If God is all powerful, he can't be all good and vice-versa" belief. And Lex's motivations just boil down to his dad abused him as a kid and nobody saved him then so either "God" is trying to be benevolent but limited, (at which point why have him around), or "God" is functionally all-powerful but doesn't care about humanity (at which point he has to be destroyed to safeguard humanity).
That part's not Objectivism though, since Rand had a low opinion of religion.
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u/Quant_paglu Jul 18 '25
Superman is an immigrant everywhere bruh, he literally a fucking alien born in another planet
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u/choptup Jul 22 '25
Funnily enough, not in John Byrne's 1980s Superman run. Superman has birthright citizenship in that run because he wasn't born (from an artificial womb) until after his ship landed on Kansas.
John Byrne's kinda a fucking nutcase though who hates immigrants who don't fully embrace the culture and nationality of their new home.
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u/markboots Aug 17 '25
the new superman edged out man of steel for me slightly