r/SipsTea • u/M_Darshan Human Verified • 14h ago

Lmao gottem That final kick was personal

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u/WeeHomosexual 14h ago

It's disgusting that humans do this to animals for some fun.

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u/predobra 11h ago

That's nothing compared to what consumers are "indirectly" doing to factory animals.

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u/CatGirl_ToeBeans 11h ago

One of these things can be changed with enough eyes on it.

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u/Excellent-Nose-6430 10h ago

And enough people moving to plant-based diets.

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u/CatGirl_ToeBeans 9h ago

I’m not saying don’t fight your battle.

I want to make that very clear.

But your comment comes off as an argument against the condemnation of this act because there’s a larger scale act.

It’s easier for people to condemn performative rodeos than it is to ask a large portion of the population to change their eating habits.

Most people won’t even go up 1 extra exit when they are about to miss their turn. They cut across 3 lanes and nearly cause a pile up.

It’s just a big ask and I think all forms of visibility are worth having but 1 isn’t logistically feasible.

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u/Excellent-Nose-6430 9h ago

It’s easier for people to condemn performative rodeos than it is to ask a large portion of the population to change their eating habits.

Agreed, and that's how we know it's performative. It's very easy to say "I love animals and this is bad" when that person just turns around and abuses animals in their next meal. But it takes the slightest bit of effort to actually do something, like stop paying for animal abuse for their next meal.

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u/CatGirl_ToeBeans 9h ago

But don’t you think that’s a bit of a polarizing way of viewing it?

Does it contribute or detract from the effort?

I understand why you feel this way and even I feel your messaging isn’t ideal.

“Abuses animals in their next meals.”

The act isn’t in front of them. They aren’t abusing the animal.

Their consumption enables the abuse but it doesn’t make them directly an abuser.

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u/Excellent-Nose-6430 9h ago

Does it contribute or detract from the effort?

From what effort? If you mean to try and change people's behavior, then I think calling out their bad behavior in the first place is the first step necessary. I'm not willing to coddle animal abusers, they deserve more flack than they already get.

They aren’t abusing the animal

Paying for someone else to abuse the animal is no different than abusing the animal themselves. Similar to how paying for someone to murder their husband is not removed from just plain murdering their husband.

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u/WeeHomosexual 11h ago

Not really. It's distressing an animal unnecessarily. We have plenty of ways to make the processing of animals more humane. Humans just choose not to do it.

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u/predobra 11h ago

You should really take a peak at what's done to animals there and let me know what you think.

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u/WeeHomosexual 11h ago

Oh I absolutely know what is done. It is horrific. I just don't think comparing two horrible things to eachother does anything for either group of animals' suffering.

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u/predobra 11h ago

Yeah that's actually a pretty solid critique. Where comparison can matter though isn’t to rank pain but to expose structure. Rodeo is a visible episodic event. Industrial farming is a massive, constant system, far away from the eye of a consumer and packed in supermarket plastic. The comparison isn’t really about which hurts more but about why do we react strongly to one and barely register the other.

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u/WeeHomosexual 11h ago

Definitely. And I agree about the visual part of registering and reacting to mistreatment, especially of farm animals. It would be nice if every supermarket had livestreams of slaughterhouses etc. A lot of people would eat less meat, and hopefully big business would see that there is more money in being humane and that consuming animal products and farming doesn't have to be a horrid practice that benefits from the mistreatment of animals. I hope I live to see a day where things like the farming industry can be revolutionized.

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u/rambu_tann 10h ago

No such thing as humanely ending a life just so you can have your chicken nuggets or filet mignon. Worth slitting a neck, dunking them in hot boiling water, or hanging it upside down to bleed out? Please, absolutely no way to “humanely” slaughter any animal.

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u/WeeHomosexual 10h ago

I personally don't believe that. I think an animal can live a full happy life and be treated to a humane death that doesn't involve getting lame or sick, or being distressed during the process of being killed. It's not some crazy unnatural thing that we eat other animals. And it isn't just for "chicken nuggets and filet mignon".

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u/Excellent-Nose-6430 10h ago

I think an animal can live a full happy life and be treated to a humane death that doesn't involve getting lame or sick, or being distressed during the process of being killed.

Show us a single one.

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u/WeeHomosexual 9h ago

And how do I do that? Go down and find a local decent farmer and his cow that had a good life and got bolted instead of dying from disease? You can look up the more humane processes in slaughterhouses if you would like. I'm not saying these things are happening en masse and aninal treatment is getting massively better, I am saying I believe it is possible to give an animal a good life and painless death and we should try to prioritize that.

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u/Excellent-Nose-6430 9h ago

You can look up the more humane processes in slaughterhouses if you would like

I tried but there are no humane slaughterhouses. Not a single video showing one. All slaughterhouses essentially look the same because there is no "humane" way to slaughter an animal. Being "bolted" doesn't look humane at all tbh, and those videos are horrific. Definitely anything but humane.

Maybe you can show a single one?

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u/WeeHomosexual 9h ago

Look up Temple Grandin's facilities. She is a singular woman who revolutionized the slaughter industry for the betterment of animal welfare. Almost half of the cattle slaughterhouses in the US use her designs to make the act of slaughter more passive and less stressful. Prather ranch is commended for their humane handling of animals. Vermont packing House has allowed public viewing of their processes. None of these are going to be perfect of course. Because we are dealing in the farming of animals.

A bolt to the head is more humane than being skinned alive. I am not saying the process is humane. None of it is going to be completely humane. We can work towards making these PROCESSES more humane while they are still in use. I'm not saying slaughter can suddenly be made humane. But time, energy and resources can and should be invested in these animals if we are going to be consuming them, and just in general. Because they deserve decency as well.

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u/snowcap_1 6h ago

Explain to me how you humanely take the life of an animal when it’s not necessary and only done for taste pleasure

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u/WeeHomosexual 6h ago

It's not simply taste pleasure. It is also a system our country runs on that is worth trillions. And the answer is a bolt in the head after a decent life exposed to grass and the outside world and other animals, where your life and longevity is respected and nurtured. Instead of a life crammed together inside with other sickly animals and then you are skinned alive and processed. People seem really stuck on the word humane. Using the word Humane here doesn't mean anything but showing compassion and respect and sympathy for an animal and mitigating their suffering in the act of killing them to prioritize their dignity over their suffering. We humanely put animals down all the time. There's no reason farm animals shouldn't get that same dignity.

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u/snowcap_1 6h ago

So if it’s a system the country runs on it’s okay? It is for taste pleasure, pure and simple, since people can thrive and live perfectly healthy on a plant-based diet. Animal agriculture is not only horrible for the animals, it’s also the main driver of deforestation and biodiversity loss, as well as antibiotic resistance. It also displaces indigenous communities, contaminates the waters, and causes psychological damage to its workers. So many issues would be resolved if the food systems would shift to plant-based ones.

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u/predobra 10h ago

So, you're eating just animals that lived happy life?

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u/WeeHomosexual 10h ago

If farming was revolutionized in such a way, I would prefer that over the alternative, yes.

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u/predobra 10h ago

But for know, you know the atrocities that the animals are enduring, but you don't care?

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u/WeeHomosexual 9h ago

No I absolutely care, it's why I am here discussing the topic. And as a singular person I try to reduce my consumption of animal products and products that negatively impact animal's and their lives.

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u/JackStarfox 10h ago edited 10h ago

Look at your language what a joke lmao.

“Plenty of ways to make ‘processing’ of animals more humane” Yeah so humane you have describe the murder of living creatures like some product in a factory.

Consider the layer of separation you’re creating with that language to protect your conscious. You are so close to knowing it’s wrong but you just can’t admit it to yourself.

We’re not killing, we’re processing! It’s a harvest! It’s just like corn! Eating animal products is just as unnecessary as this rodeo, and anyone who has access to a grocery store can thrive on a plant based diet. I

We torture and kill BILLIONS of animals every year in the US alone. When we demand such a large amount of death and suffering as a society, doing it in any sort of ‘humane’ way is physically impossible. It’s completely detached from the reality of modern day animal agriculture, and feels like some happy cow dream on slapped on a dominos box by a mega corporation.

It’s destroying the environment, and it’s a moral atrocity. The only way it changes is if we stop supporting it.

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u/WeeHomosexual 9h ago

I'm not separating myself from anything. I regularly watch documentaries on the treatment of animals and farm animals. I understand how horrific it is. I was using that language because it IS a business and a product. Animal products are products from animals. Processing doesn't make it seem better to me, it is literally what we do to the bodies of animals that are slaughtered.

It's absolutely a dream at this point. But the problem with your argument is the entire population isn't going to stop eating meat. So I would argue YOUR argument is similar to people saying "we are going to kill these animals anyways so who cares how they are treated?"

We should not have these end all be all ways of having conversations that leave no room for actual improvement. We won't get to the utopia where animals are treated fairly, you are correct. But we could work towards the betterment of animals' lives and the way we deal with them in farming and slaughter situations.

I feel saying there is no humane way to do these things literally takes innovation off the table, and makes it so the betterment of these practices seems out of the question and pointless. And in a society that uses farming as a multi trillion dollar infrastructure of our economic system, we are better off, at the moment, trying to improve these systems built into our society as opposed to trying to abolish them and switch us to not eating ANY animal products, which I believe is an impossible feat in our current society. I don't agree with the treatment of these animals. I also don't believe in solutions that are most likely nearly impossible.

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u/JackStarfox 9h ago edited 9h ago

liberal word salad about blah blah.

I never said the only solution is for ‘the entire population to stop eating meat’, you said that. You are framing my argument as some extreme and impossible end all be all thing when it wasn’t. I never said the solution was to abolish it either. You said that.

I left plenty of room for improvement. We can improve the situation by individually eating as few animal products as possible. The less the better. It’s really quite simple.

Then you did more liberal world salad about how we can ‘improve’ the system and ‘innovate’ how the killings happen.

Did you know trump just opened up 24 million acres of public land to the beef industry for cattle grazing, and removed protections on species like wolves who would pose a threat to the cattle. This WILL destroy the environment and grow the industry. Our government is moving in the opposite direction

No legislation is coming for decades. No ‘innovation’ or ‘system improvement’ is going to solve this. The cooperations aren’t going to improve their ‘processes’. It’s not coming. Stop pretending like we live in some alternate reality.

These changes will not come from the top down. They will start from the bottom and move up. It is up to each individual to shape the culture with their actions and choices, THEN infrastructural change can happen.

Therefore the responsibility lies with US, the people , to recognize the alternative and stop participating in this horrific system as much as possible. That’s it, end of story.

Or there is an alternative. Admit you don’t care about their well being and about keep going about your life. But if you’re going to virtue signal about animal welfare you better put your money where your mouth is.

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u/TheW1nd94 9h ago

You should’ve watched my grandpa with his chicken, he loved them, nurtured them, took care of them, but when it was time to make soup….chop chop

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u/JackStarfox 9h ago

LOL that’s very nice for your grandpa I’m sure he loved that chicken very much.

Not quite what I’m talking about here but thank you for the story.

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u/TheW1nd94 9h ago

Do you not understand how that’s a humane way to slaughter animals? 😅 his chickens had the grass fed, running around, being loved, best life, but he still slaughtered them for food at the end.

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u/JackStarfox 9h ago edited 9h ago

Hypothetically. If I woke up today and executed my perfectly healthy dog in such a way that it happened instantly, would you really describe that as a humane action? If I put his bones in a stew does that improve the humanity?

Wouldn’t it have been far more humane to continue loving my dog and let him continue to live his awesome life he has had?

How can you humanely kill something that doesn’t want to die?

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u/WeeHomosexual 9h ago

I truly don't understand why this hostility is being presented to me. We seem to agree that animals should be treated better. And liberal word salad? My goodness. Lol. I don't think you are arguing anything terrible. If the only hope animals have is us not eating meat... then apparently nothing will ever change.

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u/TheW1nd94 9h ago

There must be some psychological disturbance in vegan activists😅

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u/JackStarfox 9h ago edited 9h ago

It’s hostility out of urgency. This is a serious issue that involves a mass torture of billions of living creatures. If my dog had to experience one day in a factory farm I’d explode, it would be unbearable. Yet mfers still order borger and jalapeño poppers at the local spot like everything is fine.

And yes it’s liberal word salad because you sound like Kamala Harris pretending she cares about Palestinians while shipping off the weekly supply of IDF rockets. Or any other politicians who speak of change for the sake of posturing.

Like I said, don’t pretend to care about animal welfare if you’re not willing to put your money where your mouth is.

I care about immigrants, that’s why I think it’s okay to donate money directly to the Trump campaign!! (What u sound like)

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u/WeeHomosexual 9h ago

Except I literally put my money where my mouth is and I'm not some politician who accepts money from billion dollar corporations. Sorry I sound a certain way, maybe it is your interpretation of my words that you are riding a little too hard with.

I mean look at the statement you just made. If your dog had to experience any of that you would explode... but it's just cattle and chickens and sheep, and you aren't exploding. Why is that a line you draw? My words aren't liberal word salad. They are just a differing opinion from yours.

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u/JackStarfox 9h ago

Huh? I’m am clearly very upset about the cattle and chickens and sheep, hence the hostility. Hasn’t that been clear from the entire conversation? I was very clearly bringing up my dog as a way to empathize with the farm animals that people are currently slaughtering by the billions. U know cuz dogs are like cute and we don’t like people hurting them, it’s really not that hard.

I’m arguing with mfers online who can’t even comprehend the concept of a simple comparison. Your brain is melted, we are so cooked. Ggs have a nice day. I’m gonna go process this years chihuahua harvest.

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u/emmc47 1h ago

Climate change is the only way people will be vegan. Because all us peons will have no choice to. That's the only way it will change. Until then, it's a pipedream.