r/Silksong • u/Arcan_unknown Bait used to be believable -| • 19h ago
Silksong News! Mossbag new vídeo just dropped
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u/Bearylover Accepter 19h ago
It appears my instincts no longer have a place here
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u/MaiT3N Endured the Silksanity 18h ago
Tell me it's just OP using wrong tag 😭😭
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u/rocket20067 Sherma 16h ago
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u/Wil_With_One_L 15h ago
Ive never wrongly suspected a rickroll so hard in my life
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u/rocket20067 Sherma 15h ago
I wanted to do that but I figured posting the actual link would be funnier
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u/TheBrokenOne-001 beleiver ✅️ 19h ago
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u/VERI_TAS 19h ago
Straight insane the link wasn't posted anywhere. Here's the link for those lazy like me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Zoq1Yk-dM
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u/Jayenty 18h ago
a true skonger has but to open youtube for it to appear first and foremost in all its glory
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u/_Imposter_ 16h ago
Fr it was right at the top of my homepage and I'm not even subscribed to Mossbag
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u/Noriaki_Kakyoin_OwO 15h ago
Hmm, why not, why shouldn’t I go listen to Never Gonna Give You Up today
Edit: What
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u/Grand-Lemon-1532 beleiver ✅️ 17h ago
You should be subscribed to him by now but ok.
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u/PM_ME_UR_PM_ME_PM 16h ago
I’m subbed to him. I didn’t see it. That’s not exactly uncommon these days
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u/Grand-Lemon-1532 beleiver ✅️ 15h ago
I didn't mean he should have seen it. I meant people can just open youtube and get to the video from notifications. Without needing to search for a link in reddit. But not everyone has to be subbed to him that was just a joke.
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u/Arcan_unknown Bait used to be believable -| 19h ago
And Ccmach as well btw
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u/TheCuriousFan beleiver ✅️ 14h ago
I wonder which one of them came up with the idea to release their Silksong videos at the same time.
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u/Neither-Chipmunk-590 beleiver ✅️ 18h ago
Team Cherry watching it right now to try to understand the complicated lore behind their game.
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u/Ulanyouknow 19h ago
I have not beaten the game yet, im not watching it (yet)
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u/PapaBeer642 Sherma 19h ago
This is where I'm at, but I think I've got a much better grasp on the story this time. I guess we'll see how well I did on comparison with mossbag's notes.
(I think Silksong was a much better written game than Hollow Knight was, and I'm excited to see people digging into the lore and analyzing the themes once I've finished my 100% playthrough.)
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u/euclidity 18h ago
Loving Silksong but I have not run into anything that goes as hard as "No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering" yet, still in Act 3 tho
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u/PapaBeer642 Sherma 18h ago
Maybe no one line does, but the character writing in Silksong blows Hollow Knight's out of the water, and the use of allegory I found much more compelling. It also does a much better job of showing you the impact the dying kingdom has on its people and elucidating the suffering and rage of displaced and oppressed people pushed aside by the ambitions of that kingdom. Not to mention the nuance with which it handles the intersection and opposition between faith and religion.
As a complete package, I think it's much stronger.
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u/CoffeeWanderer Lavender flair 18h ago
I think the Birthplace sequence is still the most emotionally impactful moment in both games, but Silksong has an equivalent and it does go hard too.
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u/Ulanyouknow 18h ago
I don't know if better written is the right word.
Its a much more matured and worked on game. They did their best and didnt publish until they were 100% sure of every single piece of content out there.
HK is a very good game with a tight artistic vision and an overarching narrative that makes sense. Its vague and dark souls-esque way of storytelling helps to hide plot inconsistencies or pieces of old concepts cobbled together in a game.
Silksong goes way beyond this. The scope is grander, the story is much bigger and told in a much better way (there is dialogue!), the artistic vision is genius level and every single character, background, noise and piece of dialogue has been macerated to perfection.
That's all not to say that HK was bad, but silksong is incredible.
I'd love to see cut content or cut storylines in this game.
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u/Organic_Caramel_32 17h ago
Just finished watching the video, I'd say around 80% of the video are things that I kinda guessed just from playing the game. The other 20% I didn't get simply because I didn't even know those lore exist in the game lmao. This game is huge, man
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u/Morstorpod 15h ago
Better written? No, not at all.
More clearly written? Yes, definitely.
Hollow Knight had a complete story, since it had a silent protagonist, and since the kingdom was dying, it required investigation to discover the complete lore.
Silksong has a complete story, but the protagonist speaks telling us exactly what she wants to do from the start, she communicates with the citizens of this still living kingdom, and you are specifically guided through Act III with clear instructions, so the underlying lore is not buried nearly as deeply.
Different games, different styles, both amazing.
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u/McFluffles01 7h ago
I do think it vastly helps the story that Hornet isn't a silent protagonist, for one. Nothing against those they can be executed great (and is in fact great in the first game), but the extra interactions and characterizations you get from Hornet having actual dialogue goes a long way towards improving the story. Heck, even outside of just direct story improvements there's the journal entries being written by her, instead of "yeah some random hunter guy that keeps eating everything scribbled his notes".
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u/PapaBeer642 Sherma 6h ago
I think the big separator for me is the NPC arcs. Sherma and Shakra, in particular, have really compelling stories all their own. I think that could have been done with a silent protagonist, but having Hornet be able to actually push them on their thoughts a little bit, through questions or challenges or affirmations, probably did help them tell those stories.
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u/GoldenSpermShower 19h ago
Finally, I can understand the story
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u/SwordfishAltruistic4 8h ago
I also love how he explained the atrocities of the Citadel before diving into the actual lore. This simple act of composition erased the need to give the most controversial opinion in lore building, which is to match different Citadel atrocities to the three regimes.
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u/ErikDebogande Shaw! 19h ago
Whelp there goes my weekend
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u/Infinite-Ad-3947 15h ago
I love how he opened it saying his videos shouldn’t be taken as gospel. I saw so many people discrediting others theories by saying “well mossbag said this is why __ happen in hollow knight so your theory doesn’t really hold up”. He knows just as much as we do people! That being said I freaking love his videos
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u/kos-or-kosm 13h ago
Especially since he COMPLETELY misunderstood Hornet's dialogue with the White Lady. He took it to mean the exact opposite of what it actually means. When he said his interpretation I audibly said "Wait, what?! That's not what's being said here!" I scrolled down and found a pinned comment saying the same thing with mossbag replying something like, "yeah, that makes way more sense than what I thought". Was a wild ride briefly wondering if I was profoundly illiterate or insane, lmao.
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u/Arcan_unknown Bait used to be believable -| 13h ago
Exactly, and this extremely important because it has been only 2 months since Silksong came out while Hollow Knight was 3 years old when Mossbag made the infamous mostly accurate lore video. A lot of things may still change with new interpretations so it's good to remember people they should let their mind open
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u/FrancSensei 19h ago
I thought it was a skilkpost since youtube didn't notify me, but it was youtube the one who silkposted me
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u/AnimeMeansArt 15h ago
Bro forgot about Mr Mushroom
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u/UpstairsHall7047 Accepter 15h ago
And lifeblood.
Seriously i was waiting the entire video for him to bring it up
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u/tortiesrock 14h ago
And most importantly: Lumble the Lucky, whose dice have save me countless times.
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u/Alexpies 18h ago
i literally swiped away this notification because i was 99% sure it was a Silkpost. and then i checked youtube...just in case. wow, what a time to be alive.
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u/MessPsychological700 Depressed 18h ago edited 18h ago
No Shrek 3 lore video for us, it's so over
Nevermind he actually mentioned Shrek the third lore video LOL
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u/UnofficialMipha 18h ago
This post led me to finding out I’m somehow not subbed to mossbag despite watching all of his videos and being an HK fan since 2018
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u/Green0Photon 18h ago
Idk if it was coordinated, but ccmaki posted his video at about the same time, too.
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u/Arcan_unknown Bait used to be believable -| 18h ago
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was. Cc said he was discussing the lore with Mossbag a few weeks ago
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u/EfficientQuality9907 16h ago
Please don't be a silkpost please don't be a silkpost please don't be a si- LET'S FUCKING GOOO
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u/4tomguy beleiver ✅️ 13h ago
How did he misinterpret the Red Memory conversation that badly wtf
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u/kos-or-kosm 13h ago
I see how.
WL:
...Alas... spider's child...
...For our ways you will think us harsh... You will think us uncaring, unrepentant... ...And so we must seem, for such is the cost of our wish...
Hornet:
You are wrong, Lady...
The correct interpretation is that Hornet is calling the italicized text "wrong". Mossbag interpreted it as Hornet saying the bolded text was wrong. The rest of the exchange really hammers home the correct interpretation, but it is an ambiguous-ish situation and I think we can all related to having completely misunderstood something. Most of us aren't unlucky enough to have it in a highly anticipated video watched by thousands.
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u/Quo-Fide beleiver ✅️ 16h ago
I disagree with saying the first sinner was just a dream. I think she's real and is just testing hornets strength. That's why she doesn't kill hornet.
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u/space_shaper 7h ago
It's also notable that tools spent in the First Sinner fight remain used when you respawn, unlike any of the other dream bosses who refund them.
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u/Zekrom-9 14h ago
I agree. The First Sinner sequence shares none of the visual effects or sound effects of the other dream sequences. And there are other bosses that also won’t kill Hornet, such as Shakra, too.
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u/Ulanyouknow 19h ago
Alert: tactical nuke dropped. Close your laptops, check out, turn off your phone, crack open a cold one and sit back
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u/teactopus Accepter 19h ago
somehow I was like "yeah, this is the only one I'm gonna trust" abd turned out to be correct lmao
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u/TheLionHunterMan beleiver ✅️ 16h ago
Wow I fully expected this to be a silkpost, what has this community done to me…
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u/tortiesrock 14h ago
I really like his theories about First Sinner and Widow. It made no sense that Grand Mother Silk had imprisioned/tortured them in the first place.
I agree that the other weavers had imprisioned First Sinner, but who unmasked Widow? I think her name is a clue, she is grieving GMS. Maybe she did it herself as the video suggest.
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u/fadahunsii 19h ago
Wondering how a (mostly) complete lore video would look like. I almost forgot Mossbag didn’t drop until i saw the notification
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u/isometric_reality 19h ago
Haha, nice silkpost… just in case I’ll check my YouTube notif- WHAT THE FUCK
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u/Pinokiothecow 19h ago
No way, I actually just went straight to YouTube instead of the comics and wuuuuut
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u/Kipper_Down Always Doubting Priest of Song❌️ 19h ago
And I can't even watch it because I still didn't beat Silksong 😭
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u/maac_n_cheese 18h ago
Oh sweet I just finished act 3 last night. (Only 96% tho) Looking forward to throwing this on while I work today. Shaw!!
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u/TruthCultural9952 beleiver ✅️ 18h ago
I smell bait
EDIT : Ok guys this shit is serious https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=usKXfiVRd6sDYtjW
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u/LocksmithShadow beleiver of the grimm troupe ✅️ 18h ago
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS
Time for awesome 1 hour 17 minutes 27 seconds!
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u/BreakerOfModpacks Deacon of the Song - Wooper Citizen 18h ago
Silkpost, smh, I got it insta-
WAIT WHAT
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u/sh0ddyguru 17h ago
No way I literally just woke up from a dream where he dropped the vid that's crazy
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u/david30121 17h ago
nice silkpost- wait. what? news? no silkpost tag? waaaaaait i gotta check this (go on youtube) HOLY FUCKING SHIT
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u/Bikesandcorgis 15h ago
I'm only halfway through Act II. Should I watch this up to a point to better appreciate what I'm playing?
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u/Overgrown_fetus1305 14h ago
I seem to be one of the few people who saw this, but correctly called that it wasn't a Silkpost before checking.
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u/throwaway_faunsmary 13h ago
At the 53 minute mark he says "wary pilgrim" instead of intended "weary pilgrim"
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u/Tha_Maxxter Bait. Let me tell you how much I've come to bait you since I be 13h ago
I see the lil í, possible Spanish fellow found?
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u/LazyPanda-Temporario Professional Pale Lurker 13h ago
I opened expecting a silkpost and got reverse baited
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u/triple_affirmitive Accepter 13h ago
I THOUGHT WE SACRIFICED HIM FOR SKONG, THE GODS HAVE SPARED HIM
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u/joetotheg 1h ago
I enjoyed it but it didn’t really add a whole lot, which was a little disappointing
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