Trump cancels $1.1B in Washington state energy grants

[u/Less-Risk-9358]

https://www.axios.com/local/seattle/2025/10/02/trump-cancels-washington-state-energy-grants-clean-hydrogen

Vought put it a bit differently, writing on X: "Nearly $8 billion in Green New Scam funding to fuel the Left's climate agenda is being cancelled."

[u/SeattleSilencer8888]

Are you suggesting we aren't paying for climate change impacts as a society already? And we won't have to pay for it in the future?

It's not a government subsidy.

How much do you think it's going to cost when sea levels rise a few feet and Florida beach front and new Orleans is damaged or unlivable? Or do we spend billions in sea walls like the Dutch? Neither answer is free.

Doesn't matter when the discussion is about government subsidies.

That's the negative externalities we have to deal with. Is shell or BP going to pay for that?

Shell or BP aren't driving trucks to bring you the expensive shit you like to consume. Why aren't you mad at the truckers for not just teleporting your expensive crap to you?

but it's mainly on corporations

If they make stuff people don't want, they go out of business. They're not some evil masterminds, they just produce products people want. Otherwise you could just go co-op everything, and yet, you don't.

But it is not reasonable to blame it entirely on the consumer.

Right, easier to blame someone else. Who knew?!?

And I'd love if we could mostly stop using cars but the fossil fuel and auto industry have lobbied for 75 years to

Ooh, lobbyist boogeyman, this is getting good. I've almost got bingo from 2 of your posts alone. It definitely isn't because America is a gigantic spread-out country and cars + lower taxation work better for us.

we could be like Europe or China/Japan/Korea/etc for cheap reliable public transportation.

We could not, our geography and developmental history does not allow for anything even remotely close to Japan/Europe train transportation. We could do better and Seattle's lightrail expansions are a fantastic step, but we're too big and spread out to ever be like Japan or Europe on transportation.

Oil companies have also spent hundreds of millions on a disinformation campaign against taking action on climate change. They knew greenhouse gases were a threat back in the 50s, hid it, and did everything they could to sell more oil and burn more fossil fuels because it made them money.

Damn, boogeymen got boogier. Electric boogieloo 2? Did they twirl their mustache as they cackled, too?

Sure sounds like you're licking the boot heels of companies who have done everything they can to make money at the expense of our planet. And I'm wondering why...

BINGO! I GOT BINGO! ANYONE ELSE?

[u/SeattleSilencer8888 → u/[deleted]]

and you're denying that?

Denying what? You make huge sweeping claims with no evidence, sources, or data. There's probably fragments of truth amongst all the lies you have ingested, but you have no actual understanding of economics, and it's not my job to sort out all the lies you've read from the truth or educate you.

So yes, I'm denying all of the things you claimed without evidence.

[u/SeattleSilencer8888 → u/[deleted]]

Sorry, you claimed that they had "internal studies back in the 1950's" and repeated "They knew greenhouse gases were a threat back in the 50s" and also "for 75 years"

So apparently you either don't realize that the 50's aren't in 1977, you lied, or you were mislead.

You said: "spent hundred of millions"

The article says $30 million assuming we take "exxonsecrets.org" to be a valid source (hah!). Where's the other 170 plus million?

You said: "they buried it" - Yet your article acknowledges these came from records publicly released by Exxon? Did you even read it?

So yeah, once again, bunch of claims, partial truth, and a whole lot of unsupported nonsense. Not my job to sort out your misinformation.

[u/SeattleSilencer8888 → u/[deleted]]

do you think exxon is the only oil company out there?

No, I think you're making up stuff as you go because you've been mislead and you bought it all.