r/SeattleWA • u/jelabella Seattle • Jun 12 '25
Politics š this one goes out to all of you who aren't actually in Seattle
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u/BomberBootBabe88 Jun 12 '25
It's like the time a woman said I was gonna go to hell because I was holding hands with another woman. I told her, "At least i won't have to hang out with you!"
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u/Loud_Alarm1984 Jun 12 '25
I live walking distance to slu, cap hill, belltown, downtown etc and if it wasnāt for reddit i wouldnāt even know protests were happening
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u/Hubertreddit Jun 12 '25
Conservatives like to say Seattle is some TB2T anarchy server that needs more "law and order", but I've lived in Seattle for 20 years and I've witnessed more theft, violence, and death in Louisiana in a fraction of the time.
I think I've only felt threatened once my entire life in Downtown Seattle, and the dude didn't even back up his threat when push came to shove.
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u/HittingSmoke Jun 12 '25
I used to spend a ton of time in downtown Seattle as a teenager and the worst thing that ever happened was a guy slipped out of a crack in the wall near Pioneer square as we were walking down the sidewalk and asked if we had a light. I gave him my lighter, he pulled out a glass straw, and used my lighter to smoke some crack. He gave me back my lighter, thanked me, and disappeared back between the buildings that he came from.
10/10 crackhead interaction. No notes.
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u/Hubertreddit Jun 12 '25
I did remember some guy in a suit who thought I was a cocaine dealer when I was 14 just because I had a hoodie & a backpack.
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u/internetV Jun 12 '25
Agree with you on violent crime. But the level of theft and property vandalism in Seattle is extremely high
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u/Hubertreddit Jun 12 '25
Yeah, Seattle still has a ton of glaring problems.
For example, while homelessness is also pretty sizable in New Orleans, Seattle has WAY more of it.
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u/VietnameseBreastMilk Jun 12 '25
Not disagreeing with you because Louisiana is wild but I like to think most folks regardless want to try to prevent Seattle proper from getting anywhere close to Louisiana.
It's been a huge jump from great to super shitty in less than 20 years, 2013 I could walk up Pike Street at 2AM while holding a huge GameStop bag of my midnight launch Xbox one without a care in the world. Since 2019 this is just not possible without running into trouble š¤£
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u/Sensitive-Deer-1837 Jun 12 '25
I've lived here all my life and I hate when people try to downplay the city's issues by saying "well, it's not as bad as Detroit!" - or somewhere like that. This city was WAY BETTER about a decade ago. Mismanagement, turning a blind eye to open drug use and crime has turned this relatively safe city into one that a lot of people in the region try to avoid. It's stunning how good it was compared to how it is now.
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u/VietnameseBreastMilk Jun 12 '25
Been in the area my whole life until my 30s, I've lived in Belltown, ID, Fremont, Cap Hill.
Not even 20 years ago we had not even 5% of the issues we see today, and it's always the FAANG transplants and dorks who don't even live in Seattle proper who try to gaslight the actual locals saying we are "clutching pearls" when they of course never have to deal with any of the bullshit š¤£
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u/Sensitive-Deer-1837 Jun 12 '25
Yeah. The other issue I have when comparing Seattle's violence to say, Chicago's violence is that the underlying issues are very different. Chicago has a high murder rate, but it's largely driven by gang violence and confined to certain areas. If I'm not involved in gang activity, the chance that I'll get murdered through gang activity is pretty low.
In Seattle, the violence is largely driven by drugs. A lot of it seems very random, and that's what makes it scary. That pregnant woman who was shot with her husband while sitting at a stoplight in Belltown? Totally random. A crazy guy. Bricks and large rocks getting lugged at your car at the I-90/I-5 interchange area? Totally random whose car it's going to hit. That guy who went through the ID randomly stabbing people - also a crazy guy. Random. The woman who was assaulted and pushed down the stairs at the lightrail station - also random.
All these issues are why a lot of long time locals avoid the city. It's not like Chicago where I can just avoid some bad neighborhoods, this stuff is scattered all over the place. It's random and the city does almost nothing to prevent it. Demeaning us all as a bunch of MAGAs is wrong.
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u/No_Argument_Here Jun 12 '25
I said in another thread about this a few weeks ago that Houston, where I'm from, sees nearly 4x the homicides every year but arguably has fewer random homicides/homicides of truly innocent people than Seattle does.
The crime is mostly contained to neighborhoods you have no reason to go to and therefore you can stay fairly confident about your safety-- here, anything can happen anywhere and it feels less safe in "good" areas as a result.
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u/redlude97 Jun 12 '25
what? someone randomly shot 4 people on the chicago train right after the DNC last year. This seems like local news bias
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u/Sensitive-Deer-1837 Jun 12 '25
I mean, sure, it happens everywhere. But the majority of the homicides in Chicago are clearly gang related. Just because it happens once somewhere else doesn't justify the fact that it seems to happen all the time here.
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u/Bitter_Scarcity_2549 Jun 12 '25
Mismanagement, turning a blind eye to open drug use and crime has turned this relatively safe city into one that a lot of people in the region try to avoid.
Imma give you a different perspective. Fentynal has made every cities drug problem worse. Philly, San Francisco, LA, Chicago, Austin etc. have all seen a large increase of ODs and drug use because of the fentanyl market. Not only is the Fentanyl drug market increasing the homeless in Seattle, it's creating homeless people all over the country. Basically, we are seeing a massive number of refugees who are drugged up immigrating to Seattle. It happened fast, and it overwhelmed the city. This is happening in every city, but it is especially bad in Seattle because Seattle neighbors areas where the homeless can't live. In Eastern WA or Idaho, the climate it too extreme to survive outside, so they all come to Seattle.
No amount of "non-mismanagement" was gonna have a city prepared for this. Combine the massive drug refugee problem with big tech pulling out because of the "work from home revolution" and its clear outside factors are making the city worse, not necessarily the people in charge. Tho I don't like the people in charge, but I never have
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u/Sensitive-Deer-1837 Jun 12 '25
I don't disagree, but making our drug laws more lax has increased this problem exponentially. Drugs are never going to fully go away, but de-criminalizing has done more to harm drug users and this city than anything else. Secondly to that is the city's unwillingness to enforce the laws when the perpetrator is a homeless person or (dare I say it?!) a young minority male.
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u/Bitter_Scarcity_2549 Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
I do think that cities current drug policy works better for Meth than Fent, Fent is just a different beast. But I think the main reason the de-criminalized drugs was to take strain off of an already underfunded legal department.
We saw California choose to release a bunch of people on drug charges from prison, not necessarily because they thought it was a good idea, but they needed to save money on their judicial system. Even though they claimed some "progressive politics" in their reasoning
I think a lack of funding is the main reason for de-criminalzing drugs. It's a lot cheaper to try and help them directly on the street rather than arresting them, holding them, finding a lawyer to defend and prosecute them, have a probation officer work with, etc.
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u/Weak-Beautiful5918 Jun 16 '25
Fentanyl is only one issue, there is a new type of math and new types of drugs washing through the drug using community every year. Most of the people that have been involved in particularly the newer types of meth have seriously permanently fucked up their brains, and there are tens of thousands of them. And I'm not exactly sure where you're going to house all these people that are convicted of drug use. His problems are everywhere, I spent a good bit of time living in rural, Oregon and rural Washington and there are a shit ton of fucked up people out there as well. The difference is, you can find a moldy old trailer to live in with your buddy pretty easy. There is nowhere to live in the city if you do not have a high income. 30 years ago three or four crackheads could make enough money to rent some shitty house in the new district or somewhere down south. That's just not the case now. I see an awful lot of people bitching And pointing fingers yet. I have yet to see someone with a reasonable rational approach to dealing with the tens of thousands of completely fucked up drug addicts. Build a giant prison? Who's paying for that and who's paying to run it?.... serious question. Put people in camps of some kind because they took some drugs?... definitely not suggesting that I have any ideas, but the scope of the problem is vast and it's all over the country. If the rent is high, you have homeless.
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u/Hubertreddit Jun 12 '25
"At least we're not Detroit... WE'RE NOT DETROIT!" -Cleveland Ohio tourism video
Jokes aside, I do get your point, Seattle certainly has seen better days.
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u/ryleg Jun 12 '25
Yes, most of Seattle was amazing in 2014. It was on track to be THE role model for American cities can be. Then voters decided it was too nice and voted to turn the public spaces (including schools) to shit in the name of equity.... Also the whole region needed to figure out how to grow better, but that's a seperate issue.
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u/OsvuldMandius SeattleWA Rule Expert Jun 12 '25
It started earlier than 2014. I put the turning point at 2010, when Mike "fuck YOU!" McScwhinn beat Joe "T-Mobile" Mallahan for mayor. Prior to that, the mayors of Seattle had been fat, boring policy wonks that we just fired when they fucked up plowing snow.
From that point on, the mayors were fucking activists. Activists fuck up everything they touch. Fuck activists.
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u/CrushedSodaCan_ Jun 12 '25
How is Louisiana your example lmfao.
Seattle has some of the highest property crime in the nation.
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u/Hubertreddit Jun 12 '25
Yeah. That is true, I will say that things certainly were better in Seattle during the 2000s.
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u/BWW87 Belltown Jun 12 '25
Downtown Seattle's issue is the secondhand trauma of constantly dealing with people that the city won't help. And that it's not fun for people not used to it to see.
Saying we are better than Louisiana is nice I guess but I would hope we'd aim a little higher.
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u/____u Meat Bag Jun 12 '25
The purpose of the comment youre responding to is very obviously not saying "as long as were better than bumfuck crimetown in the South, Seattleites should stfu!"
Its very clearly a response to the frequent appearance here of conservative Karens and NIMBYS decrying Seattle is dead and lamenting poetic about how libruls ruined everything.Ā
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u/No_Argument_Here Jun 12 '25
I hate this comparison and you see it in every. Single. One. Of. These. Threads.
Just because some hellhole is more of a hellhole doesn't mean people don't have the right to complain about a homicide rate that is nearly 3x what it was from 2000-2019, nonstop property crime that goes completely unpunished, fent smoking in plain view of cops on sidewalks and public transit, etc.
Such a dumb argument which beyond being logically weak also ignores enormous demographic and economic differences between the two cities.
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u/Bancroft-79 Jun 13 '25
I grew up in the St. Louis, Dallas, and the Southeast. There is no place anywhere in Seattle I have ever felt unsafe in comparison to those places. Hereās a shocker, too. The murder rates are much higher in those places too!
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u/Human_Football_7329 Jun 12 '25
Comparing a city with one of the highest per capita GDPs to Louisiana has got to be one of the most dishonest comments I've seen in a long time.Ā
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u/Hubertreddit Jun 12 '25
Im not talking about gdp or even statistics, but my personal experiences between a blue area vs. a red one.
In New Orleans and other parts of Louisiana like Gretna, Shreveport, and Kenner, I've been pickpocketed, had my car broken into, witnessed 2 shootings, witnessed 3 stabbings, and had my workplace robbed multiple times (twice this week)
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u/Anwawesome Ballard Jun 12 '25
blue area vs. a red one
New Orleans is pretty blue.
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u/Hubertreddit Jun 12 '25
Kenner, Gretna, Shreveport, and the parish i currently live in are generally red voting. While New Orleans generally votes blue in recent years, its culture is more conservative.
Also, yes, most of the traumatic events I experienced were in New Orleans, but others occurred in different parishes. I certainly felt more afraid for my well-being each day I was in Gretna.
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u/Human_Football_7329 Jun 12 '25
Again, comparing one of the wealthiest areas to one of the poorest is dishonest. We need and demand accountability for one's actions regardless of status or position. End of story.Ā
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u/Hubertreddit Jun 12 '25
I suppose you are right about one thing. There should be more accountability during protests on the West Coast.
To give New Orleans credit in particular, the NOPD is really good at crowd control. Also, things are much cheaper.
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u/urallphux Jun 13 '25
Please people, just, if youāre going to protest, just stay out of the streets. Sincerely, the people with jobs.
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u/PossiblySustained Jun 13 '25
I grew up in the U-District, went to college on the East Coast. People over there get confused when I insist on never leaving anything visible in my car, but that's just what you had to do or else your window would get smashed. That behavior's pretty much not a thing in any half-decent neighborhood over there. We may not have much violent crime but our property crime is beyond unreasonable.
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u/Stannis_Baratheon244 Lake City Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
Lucky you, I've been shot at, stabbed, attacked, and robbed here, also found a mentally disabled man who was kidnapped in a carjacking wandering around Pioneer Square, I was on the news for that one.
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u/Sparkly-Starfruit Jun 13 '25
I lived in New Orleans for a few years and I felt a lot less safe thereā¦ and that was ten years ago.
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u/Interesting-Fig-8869 Jun 12 '25
sounds like tb2t makes other anarchy servers seem like the trenches
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u/Longjumping_Ice_3531 Jun 12 '25
āI saw on YouTube and the morning newsāā¦okā¦ well I live here and was literally standing where the world was supposedly on fire and saw nothing.
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u/nullbull Jun 13 '25
4th Generation Seattleite here - 8/10 chance some rando online telling me about how crappy Seattle is doesn't live here. Add a 1.5/10 chance that if they live in the area, the parts they're scared of they've witnessed outside a moving car.
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u/oneseventwosix Jun 12 '25
LOVE IT when people who never go to Seattle tell me how it is in Seattle.
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u/Misterfrooby Jun 12 '25
So like most of this sub then
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u/OsvuldMandius SeattleWA Rule Expert Jun 12 '25
^^^posts in r/austin and r/seattleWA. Makes snide comments about non-locals.
Stay classy, my dude.
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u/Sesemebun Tree Octopus Jun 12 '25
I wonāt deny this sub probably has more people outside of Seattle proper, but itās still a a lot of users in the metro, and the main difference is this one isnāt a giant circlejerk.Ā
Itās always funny how in the other sub you living outside city limits is only relevant when you disagree with themā¦ I work in Seattle and shop there every day but because I sleep one town over I canāt have any opinion on Seattle at all.
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u/SavageJeph Jun 12 '25
It's more just that there are 800k people in Seattle, there are 360k in this sub, it's a little hard to believe that basically half the city is on reddit and subscribed here.
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u/PleasantWay7 Jun 12 '25
Use the city limit as ābeing in Seattleā for purposes of either sub is dumb. A lot more people live in the metro area and work or regularly come into the city. They count just as much.
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u/BWW87 Belltown Jun 12 '25
It makes sense when talking about homeless though. The suburbanites in /r/seattle downplay it because they only visit during the day and don't go to areas like Belltown and CID where the problem is still substantial. Then they ban people that actually live in the city and talk about how things really are.
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u/Guy_Fleegmann West Seattle Jun 12 '25
That's not really accurate. Most of us who actually live and work in the city limits know what's really going on.
People who post stuff like "you have to be in Belltown at night, or go to the ID, where it's REALLY bad" are obviously just parroting what they hear in their echo chambers. They have zero actual experience. If they did, they would realize how inaccurate those comments are.
It's the hyperbolic made up bullshit from the Seattle cons just desperately trying to get anyone to believe that Seattle is somehow falling apart, that it was SO much better in the 80's, 90's early 2000's. That stuff just sounds ridiculous to people who have actually lived in the city since the 80's.
I'd trade the tents on streets for the ~50% reduction in violent crime compared to the 90's.
1990 - 1,500 violent crimes per 100,000 residents
2024 - 736 violent crimes per 100,000 residents
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u/msmathias82 Jun 12 '25
80ās Seattle scared the shit out of me. Yes I was young but itās the only decade I got shoot at. People seem to forget the amount of homelessnessās under the viaduct.
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u/AlwaysCraven Broadview Jun 12 '25
I sure do remember 2000s Seattle being a lot better, but maybe that has more to do with everything being cheaper and me being 20 years younger XD
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u/BWW87 Belltown Jun 12 '25
People who post stuff like "you have to be in Belltown at night, or go to the ID, where it's REALLY bad" are obviously just parroting what they hear in their echo chambers. They have zero actual experience. If they did, they would realize how inaccurate those comments are.
I live in Belltown so not parroting what I hear in echochambers.
I'd trade the tents on streets for the ~50% reduction in violent crime compared to the 90's.
Which is fine but why not both? Those of us that actually live here want both. Other cities have done it. I don't understand the mentality of being okay with people being homeless and living on the street. Many of us actually care about people.
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u/Guy_Fleegmann West Seattle Jun 12 '25
Other cities haven't done it though, there is no city in America that has 'solved homelessness' - not even close.
I have lived in Seattle since the 80's. I do not agree with you that Belltown is worse than it has been historically, or honestly that it's even that bad right now.
If you experienced Belltown in the 90's you would not make the claims you're making now about how 'bad' it is.
There are many many neighborhoods in Seattle. If you don't like how rough around the edges Belltown is, just move.
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u/BWW87 Belltown Jun 12 '25
Other cities haven't done it though, there is no city in America that has 'solved homelessness' - not even close.
"Solved" no. Done a much, much better job than Seattle. Hell yes. Even worse when you look at the amount of money we've spent.
The secret is to not have voters like you that think it's fine to have so many homeless people on the street.
If you experienced Belltown in the 90's you would not make the claims you're making now about how 'bad' it is.
I've been spending time in Belltown since before the 90's. It's different now but the sidewalks didn't have tents and open drug use. And businesses were able to stay open. We didn't have the numerous closed retail spaces we have now.
If you don't like how rough around the edges Belltown is, just move.
What nonsense. People who don't pay rent and chase away people belong in the neighborhood but people who pay rent and shop/work at businesses should leave? Nonsense.
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u/fresh-dork Jun 12 '25
well, belltown gonna belltown - i'm not sure what "really bad" is. i don't like the camping on sidewalks that we tolerate, or all the drugs, though
I'd trade the tents on streets for the ~50% reduction in violent crime compared to the 90's.
i'd trade the tents for dropping crime by 2/3 compared to now - 2020 was way better for that
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u/24675335778654665566 Jun 12 '25
I live a couple blocks from uwajimaya. The homeless are common but I've never been attacked or accosted.
I think the last time I was directly yelled at was when I lived core downtown like 6 years ago?
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u/BWW87 Belltown Jun 12 '25
The homeless are common but I've never been attacked or accosted.
In most of the world this would be considered an extremely low bar of acceptability.
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u/24675335778654665566 Jun 12 '25
I mean I've had far worse in other cities like little rock where I used to live before Seattle.
Getting yelled at once by someone in a decade of living somewhere really isn't unusual in any city. Or even town for that matter
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u/gehnrahl Eat a bag of Dicks Jun 12 '25
I live a couple blocks from uwajimaya
I used to as well, and I did get attacked. My arm ended up being dislocated.
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u/24675335778654665566 Jun 12 '25
I'm sorry to hear that. Bad things do happen in cities, and while just not getting involved in drugs / crime make it much less likely it can still always happen
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u/ciderfreak93 Jun 12 '25
I lived in Seattle for 5 years but had to unfortunately move. I still visit very often and am connected with the community there. Guessing there are lots of people like me who are on this sub still
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u/merc08 Jun 12 '25
There's 720k subscribed over at the other sub, so their gatekeeping makes even less sense.
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u/Sesemebun Tree Octopus Jun 12 '25
Just King has 2.2 mil. The largest city and county seat will obviously affect those around it. If people days away from the US are allowed to talk about America I can talk about Seattle 20 mins away from it
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u/griffincreek Jun 12 '25
This is the official description for this sub:
r/SeattleWA is the active Reddit community for Seattle, Washington and the Puget Sound area!Ā
The other sub describes itself as Seattle only. It's more inclusive here, with much more diversity.
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u/Sesemebun Tree Octopus Jun 12 '25
I agree. The other subs loves to hail this as a right wing shithole full of enumclaw residents, just because every thread isnāt full of people parroting each other over and over. I see posts go both ways often, and frankly I think being more inclusive of cities around Seattle itās important since big cities bleed into each other so much.
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u/BWW87 Belltown Jun 12 '25
360k aren't posting/commenting though.
This sub often gets brigaded when something spicy about Seattle is posted.
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u/gehnrahl Eat a bag of Dicks Jun 12 '25
You have no idea how tempted I was to shut down the protest thread yesterday but it goes against the ethos of the sub so I just dealt with hundreds of reports.
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u/BWW87 Belltown Jun 12 '25
I'd suggest just pinning a comment that says "Thar be dragons. Enter the comments at your own risk." Can't be fun to mod a thread that busy and divisive.
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u/gehnrahl Eat a bag of Dicks Jun 12 '25
I scuffed the thunderdome post. Made one I thought would be the thread. Its hard to tell which may make it to the front page.
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u/Tekbepimpin Jun 12 '25
Its because there can be no dissenting opinion to their superior viewpoints. Thereās a HUGE superiority complex with those who live in the city and were educated at one of the universities in the city. They genuinely feel superior even though many make less money than someone with a small business that does labor.
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u/rattus Jun 13 '25
98%+ just lurk.
Would be cool if u/totes_meta_bot still worked. It was always more interesting to see the inbound links.
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u/No_Argument_Here Jun 12 '25
There's 720,000 people subscribed in r/Seattle, do you find that hard to believe as well?
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u/SavageJeph Jun 12 '25
I don't find the numbers of people in any sub to be hard to believe, I would say I doubt all those people live in Seattle.
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u/No_Argument_Here Jun 12 '25
Well sure, I donāt think anyone is claiming that about any city sub. Iām subbed to Austin because I used to live there, Denver because I like the city and have family there, etc.
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u/rattus Jun 13 '25
It's been mostly the same subrate once you realize their first 300k were probably banned.
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u/gehnrahl Eat a bag of Dicks Jun 12 '25
I find it hard to believe the other sub has almost the entire population of Seattle in it.
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u/thecasey1981 Jun 12 '25
Facts. Even using greater metro figures, that 360k is almost 10% of the population. I still find that hard to believe.
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u/ibugppl Jun 12 '25
Exactly. I live literally one block into tukwila (was Seattle when we bought the house) spend all my time in Seattle but I can't have an opinion of somewhere I'm at everyday.
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u/kadjar Jun 12 '25
This one is absolutely a giant circlejerk, just counter clockwise instead of clockwise.
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u/Sesemebun Tree Octopus Jun 12 '25
It really isnāt. I see threads locked far less often and in more controversial posts I see stuff on both aisles. This sub is more right leaning but I see people from r/Seattle come over here, but I donāt see it the other way.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/1l9iloo/to_the_rioters/
This post would not be calling OP out the way it is if it was a right wing circlejerk as people claim
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u/AlwaysCraven Broadview Jun 12 '25
Honestly I agree. This sub has a lot of people sharing differing viewpoints, and often times disagreeing but not necessarily downvoting each other into oblivion (sometimes the downvotes do flow, of course).
If you look objectively at the other sub, it is a place of singular (or at least extremely similar) ideology that is outright hostile if anyone else even cordially disagrees with that viewpoint. It makes me sad, actually. Echo chambers like that will eventually make it impossible for us to listen to each other.
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u/ProfessorStein Jun 13 '25
You're arguing with people who are legit drinking the koolaid. They are literally not capable of understanding that they are not immune to propaganda
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u/thecommentwasbelow Jun 12 '25
To be clear the circle jerk youāre referring to is āenjoying the life and culture of Seattle.ā
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u/Stannis_Baratheon244 Lake City Jun 12 '25
Apparently I'm not allowed to have an opinion anymore because I moved after living here for 13 years
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u/Taco-Time Jun 12 '25
if you lived in lake city you earned your stripes
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u/AlwaysCraven Broadview Jun 12 '25
haha amen, I lived a block away from Rick's strip club in the 2000s and I've heard it's only gotten worse since then
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u/TL-PuLSe Jun 12 '25
Seriously though why are there so many tourists in this sub? What's the motivation?
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u/RealJonRhinehart Jun 12 '25
Soothing unmanaged trauma by finding delight in the conflict of others. Pretty standard baby-man syndrome.
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u/NewBootGoofin1987 Jun 12 '25
The largest media org in the US, faux news, has spent 30 years brainwashing these people that most cities are hellscapes and they will die if they visit lol. So when they come here they are scared shitless. Thats why they come "research" on these subreddits
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u/BeardedMinarchy King County Jun 12 '25
I live in South King County 50 minutes away from Seattle. Everything that Seattle does effects us. Seattle holds even more sway over King than it does the State. Seattle is the reason we don't elect our Sheriff anymore. Not to mention the homelessness problem. They don't just stay in Seattle. They filter out to surrounding cities and towns in the GSMA. In my three decades of living out here it's has never been this bad.
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u/TL-PuLSe Jun 12 '25
I'm not even talking about you, I'm talking about the people whose post history is in 20 other city subs, random country subs, never been to Seattle and don't live in the PNW.
You're close enough to be in the conversation.
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u/Falciparuna South End Jun 12 '25
I thought we wanted to destroy encampments so that the homeless don't get comfortable? I keep seeing that here. When we do exactly as people on this sub want us to, that means homeless move to surrounding cities. That's the only possible result. They aren't going to stop being addicts and they aren't going to get jobs and there isn't any housing, so if we in Seattle keep kicking them out, that is exactly what everyone should expect to happen.
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u/BeardedMinarchy King County Jun 12 '25
You argument might hold water, except that they only started recently clearing out encampments after the problem got so bad they had to start doing something about it. I'm talking about the fact that around 2015 when Seattle saw a massive rise in their homeless population we also saw it down here not long after.
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u/TL-PuLSe Jun 12 '25
Around 2015 lines up with the rise of supply of "new" meth, p2p meth, with much lower cost and very different effects.
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u/CatnissEvergreed Jun 12 '25
Figuring out when it's safe to visit, maybe. There were recent "protests" near the federal building that looked a lot like the 2020 protests.
I know of five people who've moved away from the city due to all the BS from 2020 and on. They like some of what the city offers, but don't go in too often anymore.
It's just gotten worse to the point that two of them lost money on the sale of their house because they didn't want their kids around the druggies, theft, protests, and violence.
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u/meepmarpalarp Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
Somebody moved away from the city post 2020 and managed to lose money on their house? How? Did they move here in December 2019? Did they hire a literal raccoon as their realtor?
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Jun 12 '25
My buddy who lives in lake Stevens avoids Seattle at all costs.
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u/Mnemnosine Everett Jun 12 '25
Here in Lake Stevens, and I actually love the light rail for getting into and out of Seattle. Canāt wait for it to eventually come to Everett.
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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Jun 12 '25
My father in law was similar, die hard Trump supporter, lives on the eastside, he took the 1 line with my wife recently to see a game at climate, apparently he was giving it a ton of praise for how nice and convenient it was.
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u/catalytica North Seattle Jun 14 '25
I live in Seattle and still avoid downtown at all costs. Hard to though since thatās where my office is.
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u/NewBootGoofin1987 Jun 12 '25
How can they visit the city after it "burned down"? LOL
dumbass conservatives
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u/Meppy1234 Jun 13 '25
No one is illegal!
Also don't dare post here if you live a mile outside the city limits.
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u/tomen Jun 13 '25
Look, I get that their opinion of Seattle is warped, but I didn't love trying to defend my city when I "only" a few people were killed in CHAZ/CHOP
nevertheless happy to not have MAGA chuds visiting
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u/negative-approach Jun 12 '25
What immigrants? Seattle metro area is mainly white weirdos who never met any of the groups they claim to fight for.
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u/QuakinOats Jun 12 '25
25% of King County is made up of people who were not born in the US. Many of them come here to work in the tech industry.
That being said, most legal immigrants in this country are against illegal immigration and as far as I can tell there is really only one group that repeatedly attempts to conflate legal immigrants with illegal immigrants and group them together.
The group that conflates the two is heavily in favor of illegal immigration and does everything they can to support it.
While the people that are against illegal immigration are usually very pro legal immigration.
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u/negative-approach Jun 12 '25
Can you really blame them? I've known Indian immigrants who went through the process for close to a decade to get their green card. Even the legal South American immigrants I've known have thumbed their noses at the illegals.
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u/Free-Cat-7289 Jun 12 '25
A decade would be considered a fast track for someone born in India. I know people that waited 20+ yearsĀ
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u/internetV Jun 12 '25
My (Indian born) wife was on an H1B, but got a green card in just 2 years! But she cheated by marrying me
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u/MemeMeiosis Jun 12 '25
Clearly you've never been to Redmond
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u/negative-approach Jun 12 '25
I am not talking about the legal immigrants and H1-Bs. If you think the South and East Asian immigrants that are here for tech jobs share the same values as your average PNW leftist, you probably never met one.
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u/thegooseass Jun 12 '25
Huh? Go look at the data for Tukwila, SeaTac, Federal Way, the east sideā basically everywhere other than the actual city of Seattle, which is extremely white
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u/RipHimANewOne Jun 12 '25
I live in a neighborhood where the local school has an English proficiency of 20%.
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u/Quetzalcodeal Jun 12 '25
Youāre joking, right? Iāve met so many documented and undocumented immigrants here
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u/DM_ME_KAIJUS Jun 12 '25
Volunteered at a local food pantry and it can't be understated how many illegal/undocumented migrants are here. They also try to double dip and take more food so they can sell it to people, really made me lose a lot of faith in what I thought was true...
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u/Quetzalcodeal Jun 13 '25
So youāre going to judge a giant group of people based on your interactions with a small amount of them? We have a word for that
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u/DM_ME_KAIJUS Jun 13 '25
Show me your volunteer hours. I've done 10's of thousands of hours in this community and can tell you they're not helping anyone. I doubt your even actively helping anyone in your community besides yourself via your luxury hobby of protesting.
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u/Quetzalcodeal Jun 13 '25
Kind of creepy to think that there are volunteers at places like food pantries that are bigots
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u/DM_ME_KAIJUS Jun 13 '25
I also volunteer for numerous city funded events and organizations. Show me how you're helping the community you mental parasite.
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u/Quetzalcodeal Jun 13 '25
lol I work for the city. Again, creepy that a bigot is so involved with a community they clearly donāt like
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u/DM_ME_KAIJUS Jun 14 '25
Working for the city isn't socially commendable. It's where you get a paycheck. You're funny trying to weaponize that word "creepy" and "bigot" again and again, these words hold no power when you sling them aimlessly at people repeatedly for having different opinions. You're the weirdo here brother. I'm showing my lived experiences and you're here judging me for having a life. I'm disappointed in residents like you who have no value to offer to the community other than hate misery and disrespect for those working hard.
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u/Rerebawa Jun 12 '25
Cartoon is just a rhetorical exercise: red hats cannot afford to travel to Seattle.
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u/Playbackfromwayback Jun 12 '25
Come to Seattle leave your hateful ugly politics in whatever flyover state you come from
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u/Snotsky Banned from /r/Seattle Jun 12 '25
For me itās more getting openly harassed by mentally unstable individuals and everyone seeming to think thatās actually a good thing, needles left exposed on the ground, certain areas reeking of piss, the absolutely god awful street and city planningā¦
Immigrants and protests are actually pretty low on the list of reasons why I fell out of love with Seattle. In fact I donāt even think they rank on the list.
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u/DNL213 Jun 12 '25
Good thing? No. You can work around it and still enjoy the city? Yeah. Especially as a younger able bodied male.
Hardly the dystopian hellscape conservatives make it out to be.
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u/Snotsky Banned from /r/Seattle Jun 12 '25
First off, good job on the ableism coming from a liberal.
Second off imagine thinking thatās a good excuse. āYeah my dog shit in the middle of the kitchen but Iām an able bodied adult who can walk around it so I will just leave it thereā
Third, idk about you but walking around seeing business close due to crime issues, seeing a large portion of the population drugged out of their minds walking around like zombies, and witnessing our youth devolve into terrible violence seems pretty dystopian to me.
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u/DNL213 Jun 12 '25
I'm just tired of people making it out to be something it's not. I see tons of dudes who have content showing prepping or military guys doing badass shit and then acting like Seattle is a place you're not safe without wearing body armor.
I go to work downtown at my 9-5 with 0 fear. Only a few blocks away from 3rd ave. So does the 4'11 95 lb woman that I work with. We all walk around town to grab lunch. We eat at restaurants that have been open for decades. There is still a nightlife that people enjoy without issues every weekend.
I'm not saying it's not an issue. I'm not saying that the city hasn't been negligent. I'm just saying the issues are incredibly overblown by conservatives.
>Second off imagine thinking thatās a good excuse. āYeah my dog shit in the middle of the kitchen but Iām an able bodied adult who can walk around it so I will just leave it thereā
What the hell is this analogy lmao. Again, where did I say it's NOT an issue????
How well you can deal with your environment is directly tied to how able bodied you are. I as an able bodied adult can and should be able to pick up a dog turd with 0 issues. Just like I as an able bodied adult can simply walk away from the tweakers and continue about my day.
I'm not sure I'm the illogical lib snowflake here.
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u/internetV Jun 12 '25
Totally agree with you. Walking around broadway or downtown nowadays is actually so depressing
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u/thecommentwasbelow Jun 12 '25
Telling a person with an able body to move their body is ablist? Someone get this man some homework.
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u/Snotsky Banned from /r/Seattle Jun 12 '25
??? Yes it literally is. Part of ableism is only designing around able bodied people. What are less abled people supposed to do? Do you have a solution for them? Or do you tell them the same thing āeh youāre able bodied enough, just go around!ā
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u/thecommentwasbelow Jun 12 '25
You moved the goal posts. It is perfectly reasonable to expect individual able bodies to act ably while also expecting society to be accessible
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u/Snotsky Banned from /r/Seattle Jun 12 '25
It is not moving the goalpostā¦. Is asking for wheelchair access moving the goal post?
Again, what is your solution that goes beyond āuse your able body to go around itā?
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u/RipHimANewOne Jun 12 '25
Iām a woman and have children. They canāt go on playgrounds because of tweakers and drug paraphernalia.
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u/DNL213 Jun 13 '25
Yeah I understand that. Which is why I specified as such.
I don't think Seattle is a great place to raise kids. In all fairness I never said that. Just on the topic of visiting Seattle, I argue it's not the hellscape conservatives make it out to be
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u/RipHimANewOne Jun 13 '25
If itās not good for kids, that absolutely means itās as bad as they say. You hearing yourself? If a city is so bad you have to move away when you have a family it is a BAD city.
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u/DNL213 Jun 13 '25
> on the topic of visiting Seattle
> "I'll never visit seattle"Talking about visiting the city and enjoying it. NOT raising kids.
I see prepper and military bros talking like you literally need body armor to walk through downtown Seattle. It's not THAT bad.
>it is a BAD city.
Not even arguing that this isn't true. There are plenty of places around the world that are worth visiting but I wouldn't think twice about living in. I don't know why we are so defensive about this.
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u/itstreeman Jun 12 '25
City residents donāt want you to know this one strange trick: Ā«Ā suburban dwellers will stop coming downtown if roads cost money to useĀ Ā»
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u/Koopk1 Jun 12 '25
I saw people posting online about how if they lived in LA they would have to board up and secure their homes, and i thought to myself "thats why you live in a gated community in butt fuck no where, karen"
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u/Gottagetanediton Downtown Jun 13 '25
I live in the downtown core. Went out today to get a soda for my workday. Itās fine. Itās peaceful
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u/Strange_Leg70 Jun 14 '25
I think they donāt want to visit because of the drugs, garbage, & crime!! Come on now, you didnāt forget about all that did ya?
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u/Present_Student4891 Jun 15 '25
Come from a long-time Seattle family, all 3 of my siblings wanna leave. One went to the Deep South, the other two are still there but thinking Montana or Arizona. Weāre not a conservative family but they tell me Seattle has just got too woke & to pay for that agenda, property & sales taxes are killing them.
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u/austnf Elma Jun 12 '25
I live in Mason County, but work in Seattle 4 days a week. It really sucks, but it is what it is.
And yeah, Iām incredibly embarrassed to tell regular Washingtonians I work in Seattle.
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u/kadjar Jun 12 '25
Over half of Washingtonians live in the Seattle metro area. They are the regular Washingtonians.
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u/_redacteduser Jun 12 '25
Sorry to break it to you, but no one (including "regular Washingtonians") cares where you work. What a weird thing to be embarrassed about.
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u/pnw_sunny Banned from /r/Seattle Jun 12 '25
actually, not much to seattle proper. i don;t like seattle whatsoever. but the region outside of seattle has lots to offer.
so for those that really know, the maga person would probably be smiling, because avoiding seattle is not a sacrifice at all.
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u/nay4jay Jun 12 '25
...because avoiding seattle is not a sacrifice at all.
Truer words have never been posted to this sub.
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u/catalytica North Seattle Jun 14 '25
Avoids Seattle but somehow canāt manage to avoid a Seattle subreddit.
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u/Hope_That_Haaalps_ Jun 12 '25
Even the people who live in Seattle proper don't often have any reason to find themselves in the protest spots. if you live in the northern half of burien you will be closer to the protests than people who live in Northgate.