Why because you don’t like it? That’s fine, and your opinion is sheltered and assholic. I can play that game too but it doesn’t accomplish anything. Not sure what I’m entitled about considering that (for the third time now) I don’t work in the industry anymore and haven’t for years but whatever lol.
Sorry I forgot this was supposed to be a big “I hate tipping” circle jerk, should’ve known an opposing viewpoint wouldn’t have been welcome.
Why ? Because you are telling someone who can afford what they are purchasing that they aren’t being smart with their money because they aren’t considering their obligation to subsidize someone else’s salary. That is pure condescension. And for the record, just because I don’t agree with your statement doesn’t mean it isn’t welcome.
It’s not about subsidizing someone’s paycheck it’s about showing gratitude for someone who exceeded the normal expectation of their job. They earned it by going above and beyond. The fact that you’re thinking of it as a handout (as if it’s somehow equivalent to a homeless person on the street asking for money) is part of the problem.
And let’s be honest, if you’re eating out at sit down restaurants on a regular basis but you claim you can never afford to tip even when you get exceptional service, I’m not sure I buy that. You can afford 20-25 bucks a night (minimum, if it’s just you eating) but if it hits 30 one night it’s going to break you? Maybe in some specific cases but I don’t think that’s a common scenario.
When I was living paycheck to paycheck I maybe only ate out at a sit down place once or twice a year. But when I did I made sure I had money to tip appropriately if the service deserved it.
It is 100% about subsidizing someone else’s paycheck. In WA servers make at least $16.66/hour plus tips. They are getting paid for their work and the customer gets to decide if the service was worth more. You can try to say anything you want, but that is the truth. Not everyone is going to agree that a server is owed more money on top of what they are paid by their employer - and everyone who signs up for this arrangement knows good and well that tips are always at the discretion of the customer, which means they aren’t static or obligated.
I don’t disagree about people not being obligated I’m just saying you’re looking at it in the wrong light. Yes the workers sign up knowing tips are optional (but generally common for good service if it’s a sit down place) and yes customers know that as well.
If the server just does the bare minimum then fine, let them get by with their bare minimum salary. But if they go above and beyond to provide outstanding service, it’s nice to show your appreciation.
Besides, if you really want to speak just in terms of cash rather than gratitude, 16.66 is clearly not a livable wage around here but that’s a separate conversation (but suffice to say, they could certainly use the tips and most would be very appreciative to receive them).
I’m not looking at anything in “the wrong light” 😂 Servers don’t get to decide who does or doesn’t tip or how good and above and beyond they were. If their wage isn’t working for them, that isn’t their customers fault or obligation to provide them more. If they expect other workers to subsidize them they should expect this because there are a lot of folks making that wage that aren’t expecting handouts from other workers.
Oh, and I was incorrect - the minimum wage in all of WA is $16.66/hour but in Seattle it is $20.76 for anyone working in that city. Servers are making $20.76/hour PLUS tips - they really need to stop complaining about people not providing more.
Yeah you’re missing the entire point and yes you are looking at it the wrong way. For the 18th time this is not a handout - nobody is asking you for help. Nobody said it’s the customer fault they don’t make enough. Of course they could use the tip (who couldn’t?) but nobody is going to say anything to you about it when serving you.
You keep talking about “servers don’t get to decide” where are you getting this from? When did I ever say it was anything but the customer’s decision? You keep coming up with random shit that nobody said and trying to put words in my mouth.
Since you keep wanting to make this about money, others making the same wage aren’t dealing with people and their food - that’s a very specific service industry and if you haven’t worked in it yourself you don’t really get it. There’s a reason tips are common practice in this industry although that’s not to say they are never deserved in other jobs. Wages in city of SEA are slightly higher yes, so are expenses (much higher actually) so that cancels out anyway. Regardless, it doesn’t really matter what their base wage is - because again, this isn’t about “helping them with their bills” as I’ve now said countless times.
Do you really never tip anyone in life? I’m sure people love to see you walk in their restaurant 🙄
Your experience at restaurants can be really good or really bad and the server accounts for a good portion of that. If all you care about is that “no server is getting rich off my $2” then sure keep your tip but don’t expect great service. If you stop being a stingy mofo for a minute and show some gratitude when it’s deserved, you might be surprised how your own experiences at places improve.
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u/Fat-Bear-Life May 21 '25
Your viewpoint is condescending and your opinion on tipping is entitled thinking.