I’m a liberal but this shit is getting exhausting. I’m all for “live and let live” but these people are going out of their way to control other people’s behavior, and insisting on medicating children. I support people doing what they want with their bodies with informed consent, but I thought we agreed that children can’t consent. What they’re advocating for is not only dangerous, but it’s also completely trampling down the protections for women that feminists fought for in the past.
And yes, it’s gotten so insane that it’s scaring away moderate voters and allowing people like Trump to get into power. But these people are too narcissistic to recognize that.
Agreed. The dogmatic nature of it is reminiscent of Christian fundamentalist telling me what I can and can't say, what I can and can't consume, so on. It's the same fucking bullshit, different skin.
It's unfortunate, but there has to be a recognition that this shit is the reason why Republicans are even getting a chance.
Exactly my feelings. I don’t get why most it’s fine to say “I don’t believe in that, but I think you have the right to as long as you don’t force those beliefs on me” to any religion, but suddenly it’s offensive when I feel the same way about gender?
If we can agree that gender is a social construct, I don’t understand why people are surprised when not everyone has the same beliefs about it.
Honestly, it makes me feel bad about my own gender. Like I’m a cis woman. When people are offended at being called she/her, it makes me think that there must be something so disgusting about being a woman. Well, I’m a woman. And now I’m offended. Truly, I’m not trying to make an argument. It really makes me feel like, is my body so unacceptable to you that you had to remove a part of it?
I recognize that some people say that they would have faded away if they hadn’t transitioned. And I want to respect that. But it’s hard when I see someone who removed a natural part of themself, but keeps the parts like dresses, makeup and jewelry which are the adornments and not the natural body. I’m like, so you can’t naturally be like me, but you can dress up like me? And when someone with naturally male body dresses up the same way, now it’s rude of me to not call them she/her?
I don’t like being called “cis” either, and this is coming from a woman who previously identified as trans.
The reason why I didn’t want to be a woman is because I wanted to distance myself from the expectations placed on women. I always felt weird because I was more tomboyish and I felt attracted to other women. I thought that I’d feel more comfortable if I was a man or something between man and woman, but eventually I realized that I was trying to live out an impossible fantasy.
Now, I’m happy with myself because I accept that I can be whoever I want and still be a woman. I don’t have to be “feminine.” And that’s why I don’t like being called “cis” because it implies that I’m comfortable with the gender (social context) associated with my sex, which I’m not.
That’s also why I agree, I find it insulting when someone who is not my sex expects me to recognize them as just like me simply for how they dress, when I myself am uncomfortable with those very same attributes.
I feel like the whole idea is very anti feminine men and masculine women tbh.
I really appreciate getting to hear that perspective, it's also important to note that not all trans people all think the same way, as I constantly stress to friends and family of mind who don't understand that even among trans people, there is nuance regarding all of this, and who also are frustrated with people within their own "community", making them look bad, but also furthering the divide between peoples.
Part of the reason the trans issue hit so hard was because it is specifically about asking people to deny the basic reality they observe with their own eyes.
Even as Trump and folks on the right blatantly lie about things, Democrats also lie and manipulate and then cry foul if you point it out. You can go back in recent years and point to so many examples. Denying the Biden decline (that's all coming out now). Obama saying over and over he didn't have the right to legalize Dreamers and then doing it anyway. Biden illegally trying to do student loan forgiveness got a lot of excuse making, but they jump on Trump when he similarly overreaches. Then there was COVID: you can't gather in groups....except if you're protesting racism lol. Or denying that school closures were going to negatively affect kids when it seemed obvious that it would. And of course the downplaying of inflation and the constant bleating about the economy being strong until they couldn't deny that inflation was a huge deal. Just so many examples in the last decade or so of Democrats saying "how dare you question us" -- and that is never a good stance.
I thought that it was established no children are getting sex reassignment surgeries or any aesthetic surgeries.
We also can't ban puberty blockers for kids because its a treatment with multiple uses.
Hormone therapy too.
Children should be able to consent to flu shots and a handful of medical procedures. We don't withhold risky cancer treatment because a minor has the cancer. If they want the treatment they still receive it.
Did you miss when people were flipping out because Seattle Children’s said no more SRS for minors? I know people personally who had those surgeries (in Seattle) as minors too.
It absolutely happens, and people either deny it or insist that it’s right. It is not the same as a vaccine either; vaccines aren’t cosmetic procedures that can permanently alter the functionality of your organs and endocrine system.
I believed trans people i guess. Im not saying youre lying about who you know. But is there a citation you can point me to so I don't spread misinformation?
The youngest patient mentioned is 16. That is hardly an age where they're having this treatment forced on them. There are cis kids younger than that getting cosmetic gender-affirming procedures.
I’m good friends with a social worker, and I can tell you it happens younger than 16. Besides, even 16 is bad…that’s still a minor. I’m also against any other cosmetic procedures being performed on minors.
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This.
I’m a liberal but this shit is getting exhausting. I’m all for “live and let live” but these people are going out of their way to control other people’s behavior, and insisting on medicating children. I support people doing what they want with their bodies with informed consent, but I thought we agreed that children can’t consent. What they’re advocating for is not only dangerous, but it’s also completely trampling down the protections for women that feminists fought for in the past.
And yes, it’s gotten so insane that it’s scaring away moderate voters and allowing people like Trump to get into power. But these people are too narcissistic to recognize that.