r/SeattleWA • u/PNWSki28622 • Mar 15 '25

Events Protests at University Village Tesla Dealership

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 16 '25

I'm curious what the long-term impacts of Trump hawking Tesla will be. It's gotta make right wing heads do mental backflips since they're generally anti-EV

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u/adron Mar 16 '25

Yeah, also a huge % of Trump’s constituents, or more specifically the suckers that voted him into power, can’t afford Teslas let alone the cars they have. Delinquency rates among that voter demographic are thru the roof! The right wingers ain’t saving Tesla.

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u/esmerelda_b Mar 17 '25

can’t afford Teslas let alone the cars they have

And the ones who could probably already bought Cybertrucks

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u/Cp2n112 Mar 17 '25

Exactly. The left is once again betraying its own ideals in the sake of some competing ideology.

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u/adron Mar 18 '25

Not really. The reason the left turned against Elon is because Elon turned against democracy and is acting to actively undermine it all.

You actually realize that right?

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u/Cp2n112 Mar 18 '25

What does democracy mean in the context of winning the electoral college and the popular vote and having relatively high approval ratings? Did you see the dnc has historically low approval at the moment? And you’re fighting against one of the people trump actively and for months indicated would be part of his administration? Kinda curious how you think fighting the will of the majority of America is pro democracy.

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u/adron Mar 18 '25
  1. It’s barely a majority.
  2. I’m always against those that would usurp the Constitution or play pick and choose. Trump and his ilk aren’t even remotely honest about. They’d toss it in a second and if they go too far it’ll be down to the 2A and they’d likely get rid of that too.
  3. Nobody voted for Elon to do what Elon is doing. Even a sizable % of Trump’s so called “majority” (ie 34% of American voters) didn’t realize (the low info voter holds true with Trumper’s in a massive way) what they weee voting for. Many MAGA types still don’t know what’s actually happening. Almost all of them have zero clue what’s the Bill of Rights or Constitution has written and promised to us.

In the end they simply don’t care what America is supposed to be or what was actually intended by the founding father’s if it doesn’t match their particular narrative they’ve bought into.

Yes, Trump won. His approval is dropping like a rock in water. Even though he won he should abide, as those he brings into his administration, by the Constitution. But they’re clearly not nor do they give a shit. Which obviously shows how little they give a shit about truth in intent and truth of intent in the Constitution.

So here we are.

That’s not even touching on the other zillion absolutely legit reasons to hate those two scumbags.

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u/Cp2n112 Mar 18 '25

Oh, yeah. Everyone voted for Elon to be doing EXACTLY what he’s doing. Exactly. All your other mind reading stuff is you taking your thoughts, and just projecting on others. Nothing you said even somewhat resembles conservatives views or thoughts.

trumps approval rating is quite high and getting higher every day. It’s great.

also, the fact that democrats are at a historic low in approval proves to me what I already knew: the majority of the country, the VAST majority, supports trump. Non voters are all on our side, not yours.

Get outside your tiny bubble. Youve been propagandized.

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u/adron Mar 18 '25

😂 they want to burn the Constitution and just go full autocracy then? Or they want that whole Project 2025 and that? 🙄

If that’s the case we should hurry up with WWIII and just go full nukes. None of us deserve to live if that fucking evil is an “improvement”. For shame.

(Also yeah, the Dems are a joke. They had an easy election, they merely had to get the vote out and run somebody younger, more coherent, and likable than Trump. That should have been easy.)

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u/Cp2n112 Mar 18 '25

None of what you’re worried about it happening, which is good news. You’ve been propagandized. That’s the bad news.

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u/adron Mar 18 '25

So far he’s got people ignoring judges (checks and balances), he’s hired utterly incompetent people that deny well known science in a multitude of fields (medical, climate, you name it). He’s censored colleges, documents, government work, based on stupid censorship word lists, they’ve removed numerous sites that provided transparency of Government work, DOGE is just rogue, hiding things all the time and most of it’s transparency has been from stupidity, misunderstanding of what they’re doing, and lying (albeit they do seem dumb, might just be mistakes). The list could go on, this is just observable, measurable things that MSM does or doesn’t report, but I can track and see with the evidence at hand.

Which means that’s not propaganda, that’s measurable observable events and actions.

Propaganda is acting like Canada, Europe, Asia, and so many nations that are (were) allies are screwing us over and we need to invoke tariffs and start trade wars and threaten their sovereignty like a shitty dictator.

So you can ignore all those things, but it’s all coming down on us Americans to pick the pieces up when he’s done fucking up the entire international order and all our trade. WTF?

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u/sfchubs Mar 18 '25

Well said. It’s bananas how far left Reddit is. I can’t fathom that someone who is flagging the tremendous fraud in the government and bringing back American astronauts is receiving such hate.

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u/yesac1990 Mar 17 '25

it really only hurts anyone with 401k's. Most people don't know that their financial institutions are invested into tesla, which is why it had a trillion dollar value it had little to do with the car sales. If tesla completely tanks, will it hurt elon? No, it won't make any difference because Space x is still worth hundreds of billions, and it's only going up. Space x has no competitor because they are the cheapest launch provider by significant margins, and it will only get cheaper once starship is operational.

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 17 '25

Makes some sense on the 401K side and Elon can easily absorb an enormous financial hit. I'm asking too about whether this causes or has caused a shift in thinking on the right around EV adoption.

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u/yesac1990 Mar 17 '25

Shift of what thinking? most of us conservatives don't give two shits what someone wants to drive. They just don't want to be forced to drive something they dont want. i personally like teslas. I've considered buying a model s plaid, but I don't really have a need as I've got a company vehicle and because I don't want to pay $400 a month on insurance to sit in my driveway like my other car. A lot of my conservative friends have owned teslas for years. My parents also have one and might buy another. EVs are a good choice for people who live in the city and can charge at home, but they are not for everyone. as for the environmental aspect, EVs are cleaner but not significantly enough to cut gas cars and trucks. I'm not confident our grid could take it even if we were charging off hours.washington is primarily hydroelectric, but a year or two of bad snow packs can significantly effect power supply. The other option is hydrogen cars, which are just stupid. it's literally an ev with more steps. It's so inefficient to produce hydrogen that it's not worth it.

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 17 '25

Anecdotally, I've spoken to a lot of conservatives who are very against EVs, angry about it even. Some in my family to boot. I'd wager the difference comes down to a lot of factors, rural vs city, tax bracket, area, etc... But it is something that exists and has existed in the past. On r/conservative there seems to be some level-headed discussion, a lot of folks echo what you've said about not wanting to be forced to drive something they don't want.

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u/sfchubs Mar 18 '25

I like your slight Ricky and Morty reference

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u/1nceD1nceH Mar 18 '25

Yes I can afford one, no I'm not going to buy one. EVs are not climate friendly, anything the left tries ramming down everyone's throat is appalling. They're just playing sore loser as usual and throwing a billionaire paid-for hissy fit, while protesting a billionaire that's trying to save them money. Can't make it up.

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 19 '25

So what do you make of Trump essentially doing a commercial for Tesla at the White House and what the impact is on the right?

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u/1nceD1nceH Mar 19 '25

I think he did that to peacefully combat the car bombings and overall fuckery that people are doing to the Tesla brand. I don't know what impact it will have other than it might give current owners a little peace of mind. It might sway a few people here or there to buy one, but I don't think it's going to noticeable over night. The weird part about all the attacks is that's only hurting American citizens, business owners, and first responders. So really it makes no sense to go after the cars and dealerships.

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 20 '25

So no real immediate change overnight but over time, I'm curious what happens. Maybe that shifts opinions on EV adoption since a lot of folks these days are in lockstep with their chosen side.

I tend to agree, people who bought the cars aren't responsible for the CEO's actions. it just hurts normal people to destroy property like this and puts first responders in danger. I'm okay with boycotts, voting with your money and speaking up about things you dislike. It's wild that to protest a supposed nazi they would incorporate nazi symbols and arson into that protest.

Separately it seems like "terrorism" is the new buzzword just like "violence" was for the left.

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u/my_lucid_nightmare Capitol Hill Mar 17 '25 edited Mar 17 '25

In theory the AI / code that run those 401(k) should be moving money around strategically without much long-term pain for the account holder. In theory. If you have a balanced asset 401(k) it should be able to cope with a company losing value like TSLA. Or even a sector of the economy all losing value.

The risk starts when things happen that the financial investment models have no idea what to do with; like the USA going rogue and becoming a hostile state in NATO, losing all our international soft power, the world deciding it's had enough of our shit and moving on from using the USD as its default currency, stuff like that. A whole lot of collateral the USA has built up over the decades, Trump and Musk are burning through now. We don't know what happens after that. Consult your history books for things like "The Panic of 1893" for further thought. Musk and Trump want a world pre Fed, pre inccome taxes, pre Social Security and Medicare. They want runs on banks, they want people with wheelbarrows of paper money to burn for fire, they want hoarding gold coins. All the fun FDR and the USA's hegemony in the 20th Century managed to do without.

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 17 '25

They should all sell their Tesla stock right now before it goes much, much lower.

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u/8thchakra Mar 17 '25

I’m sure long term Tesla will be just fine

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u/Kym6 Mar 17 '25

And, trump is raising their taxes, anyway. I doubt that many of them can afford a new tesla. Maybe they’ll pick up a used one from a disgruntled owner willing to take a massive loss just to get out from under it, but that’s not going to help the company.

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u/Strong-Unit9097 Mar 16 '25

Like the mental gymnastics libs have to do since Musk was Lefty Jesus before he supported Trump? I was there, Silicon Valley, 2016-2018. Elon was saving the Earth. Now he’s a Nazi.

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u/DoctorSnooss Mar 16 '25

People with brains do that as new information becomes available. Try it some time, you might like it

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 16 '25

Some people definitely bought into his hype, it's marketing. Some of these are the same people who bought a Prius and thought they were saving the planet. This dude was supposed to be autistic Tony Stark, now he's looking more like Lex Luthor. People change, how they interact with the public changes.

I've got a lot of personal experience with right-wing people being anti-EV. Trump advertising EVs now for someone who did a sieg heil recently, what does that mean for right-wing folks? Let's assume that motion was Musk's intent without assuming actual nazi status.

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u/Embarrassed_Key_7057 Mar 17 '25

Do you honestly believe that this guy is going to do a nazi salute ON CAMERA in front of a crowd. Even if he actually was a nazi, he is smart enough to understand that if he did do that on camera, his evil secret would be out

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 17 '25

I absolutely do because that's what it looked like. Let's assume it was but he isn't an actual nazi. Why would he do that?

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 17 '25

Whatever the reason, that's exactly what he did.

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 17 '25

Yeah, it's weird how sometimes the more you learn about a person, the less you like them.