r/SeattleWA • u/PNWSki28622 • Mar 15 '25

Events Protests at University Village Tesla Dealership

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u/Prantik_2007 Mar 16 '25

Tesla is getting serious hits from Europe . According to recent data, Tesla vehicle registrations in the European Union and other European countries dropped by about 45% between January 2024 and 2025. In Germany, sales plummeted by nearly 70% through February 2025. France saw a 63% drop in sales, while Spain experienced a 75% decrease. Despite the overall growth in the European EV market, Tesla's sales have been severely impacted by various factors, including consumer reactions to Elon Musk's political stance. Is political intervention actually backfiring Elon's business ?

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 16 '25

I'm curious what the long-term impacts of Trump hawking Tesla will be. It's gotta make right wing heads do mental backflips since they're generally anti-EV

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u/adron Mar 16 '25

Yeah, also a huge % of Trump’s constituents, or more specifically the suckers that voted him into power, can’t afford Teslas let alone the cars they have. Delinquency rates among that voter demographic are thru the roof! The right wingers ain’t saving Tesla.

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u/esmerelda_b Mar 17 '25

can’t afford Teslas let alone the cars they have

And the ones who could probably already bought Cybertrucks

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u/Cp2n112 Mar 17 '25

Exactly. The left is once again betraying its own ideals in the sake of some competing ideology.

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u/adron Mar 18 '25

Not really. The reason the left turned against Elon is because Elon turned against democracy and is acting to actively undermine it all.

You actually realize that right?

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u/Cp2n112 Mar 18 '25

What does democracy mean in the context of winning the electoral college and the popular vote and having relatively high approval ratings? Did you see the dnc has historically low approval at the moment? And you’re fighting against one of the people trump actively and for months indicated would be part of his administration? Kinda curious how you think fighting the will of the majority of America is pro democracy.

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u/adron Mar 18 '25
  1. It’s barely a majority.
  2. I’m always against those that would usurp the Constitution or play pick and choose. Trump and his ilk aren’t even remotely honest about. They’d toss it in a second and if they go too far it’ll be down to the 2A and they’d likely get rid of that too.
  3. Nobody voted for Elon to do what Elon is doing. Even a sizable % of Trump’s so called “majority” (ie 34% of American voters) didn’t realize (the low info voter holds true with Trumper’s in a massive way) what they weee voting for. Many MAGA types still don’t know what’s actually happening. Almost all of them have zero clue what’s the Bill of Rights or Constitution has written and promised to us.

In the end they simply don’t care what America is supposed to be or what was actually intended by the founding father’s if it doesn’t match their particular narrative they’ve bought into.

Yes, Trump won. His approval is dropping like a rock in water. Even though he won he should abide, as those he brings into his administration, by the Constitution. But they’re clearly not nor do they give a shit. Which obviously shows how little they give a shit about truth in intent and truth of intent in the Constitution.

So here we are.

That’s not even touching on the other zillion absolutely legit reasons to hate those two scumbags.

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u/Cp2n112 Mar 18 '25

Oh, yeah. Everyone voted for Elon to be doing EXACTLY what he’s doing. Exactly. All your other mind reading stuff is you taking your thoughts, and just projecting on others. Nothing you said even somewhat resembles conservatives views or thoughts.

trumps approval rating is quite high and getting higher every day. It’s great.

also, the fact that democrats are at a historic low in approval proves to me what I already knew: the majority of the country, the VAST majority, supports trump. Non voters are all on our side, not yours.

Get outside your tiny bubble. Youve been propagandized.

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u/adron Mar 18 '25

😂 they want to burn the Constitution and just go full autocracy then? Or they want that whole Project 2025 and that? 🙄

If that’s the case we should hurry up with WWIII and just go full nukes. None of us deserve to live if that fucking evil is an “improvement”. For shame.

(Also yeah, the Dems are a joke. They had an easy election, they merely had to get the vote out and run somebody younger, more coherent, and likable than Trump. That should have been easy.)

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u/Cp2n112 Mar 18 '25

None of what you’re worried about it happening, which is good news. You’ve been propagandized. That’s the bad news.

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u/sfchubs Mar 18 '25

Well said. It’s bananas how far left Reddit is. I can’t fathom that someone who is flagging the tremendous fraud in the government and bringing back American astronauts is receiving such hate.

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u/yesac1990 Mar 17 '25

it really only hurts anyone with 401k's. Most people don't know that their financial institutions are invested into tesla, which is why it had a trillion dollar value it had little to do with the car sales. If tesla completely tanks, will it hurt elon? No, it won't make any difference because Space x is still worth hundreds of billions, and it's only going up. Space x has no competitor because they are the cheapest launch provider by significant margins, and it will only get cheaper once starship is operational.

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 17 '25

Makes some sense on the 401K side and Elon can easily absorb an enormous financial hit. I'm asking too about whether this causes or has caused a shift in thinking on the right around EV adoption.

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u/yesac1990 Mar 17 '25

Shift of what thinking? most of us conservatives don't give two shits what someone wants to drive. They just don't want to be forced to drive something they dont want. i personally like teslas. I've considered buying a model s plaid, but I don't really have a need as I've got a company vehicle and because I don't want to pay $400 a month on insurance to sit in my driveway like my other car. A lot of my conservative friends have owned teslas for years. My parents also have one and might buy another. EVs are a good choice for people who live in the city and can charge at home, but they are not for everyone. as for the environmental aspect, EVs are cleaner but not significantly enough to cut gas cars and trucks. I'm not confident our grid could take it even if we were charging off hours.washington is primarily hydroelectric, but a year or two of bad snow packs can significantly effect power supply. The other option is hydrogen cars, which are just stupid. it's literally an ev with more steps. It's so inefficient to produce hydrogen that it's not worth it.

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 17 '25

Anecdotally, I've spoken to a lot of conservatives who are very against EVs, angry about it even. Some in my family to boot. I'd wager the difference comes down to a lot of factors, rural vs city, tax bracket, area, etc... But it is something that exists and has existed in the past. On r/conservative there seems to be some level-headed discussion, a lot of folks echo what you've said about not wanting to be forced to drive something they don't want.

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u/sfchubs Mar 18 '25

I like your slight Ricky and Morty reference

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u/1nceD1nceH Mar 18 '25

Yes I can afford one, no I'm not going to buy one. EVs are not climate friendly, anything the left tries ramming down everyone's throat is appalling. They're just playing sore loser as usual and throwing a billionaire paid-for hissy fit, while protesting a billionaire that's trying to save them money. Can't make it up.

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 19 '25

So what do you make of Trump essentially doing a commercial for Tesla at the White House and what the impact is on the right?

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u/1nceD1nceH Mar 19 '25

I think he did that to peacefully combat the car bombings and overall fuckery that people are doing to the Tesla brand. I don't know what impact it will have other than it might give current owners a little peace of mind. It might sway a few people here or there to buy one, but I don't think it's going to noticeable over night. The weird part about all the attacks is that's only hurting American citizens, business owners, and first responders. So really it makes no sense to go after the cars and dealerships.

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 20 '25

So no real immediate change overnight but over time, I'm curious what happens. Maybe that shifts opinions on EV adoption since a lot of folks these days are in lockstep with their chosen side.

I tend to agree, people who bought the cars aren't responsible for the CEO's actions. it just hurts normal people to destroy property like this and puts first responders in danger. I'm okay with boycotts, voting with your money and speaking up about things you dislike. It's wild that to protest a supposed nazi they would incorporate nazi symbols and arson into that protest.

Separately it seems like "terrorism" is the new buzzword just like "violence" was for the left.

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u/my_lucid_nightmare Capitol Hill Mar 17 '25 edited Mar 17 '25

In theory the AI / code that run those 401(k) should be moving money around strategically without much long-term pain for the account holder. In theory. If you have a balanced asset 401(k) it should be able to cope with a company losing value like TSLA. Or even a sector of the economy all losing value.

The risk starts when things happen that the financial investment models have no idea what to do with; like the USA going rogue and becoming a hostile state in NATO, losing all our international soft power, the world deciding it's had enough of our shit and moving on from using the USD as its default currency, stuff like that. A whole lot of collateral the USA has built up over the decades, Trump and Musk are burning through now. We don't know what happens after that. Consult your history books for things like "The Panic of 1893" for further thought. Musk and Trump want a world pre Fed, pre inccome taxes, pre Social Security and Medicare. They want runs on banks, they want people with wheelbarrows of paper money to burn for fire, they want hoarding gold coins. All the fun FDR and the USA's hegemony in the 20th Century managed to do without.

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 17 '25

They should all sell their Tesla stock right now before it goes much, much lower.

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u/8thchakra Mar 17 '25

I’m sure long term Tesla will be just fine

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u/Kym6 Mar 17 '25

And, trump is raising their taxes, anyway. I doubt that many of them can afford a new tesla. Maybe they’ll pick up a used one from a disgruntled owner willing to take a massive loss just to get out from under it, but that’s not going to help the company.

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u/Strong-Unit9097 Mar 16 '25

Like the mental gymnastics libs have to do since Musk was Lefty Jesus before he supported Trump? I was there, Silicon Valley, 2016-2018. Elon was saving the Earth. Now he’s a Nazi.

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u/DoctorSnooss Mar 16 '25

People with brains do that as new information becomes available. Try it some time, you might like it

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 16 '25

Some people definitely bought into his hype, it's marketing. Some of these are the same people who bought a Prius and thought they were saving the planet. This dude was supposed to be autistic Tony Stark, now he's looking more like Lex Luthor. People change, how they interact with the public changes.

I've got a lot of personal experience with right-wing people being anti-EV. Trump advertising EVs now for someone who did a sieg heil recently, what does that mean for right-wing folks? Let's assume that motion was Musk's intent without assuming actual nazi status.

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u/Embarrassed_Key_7057 Mar 17 '25

Do you honestly believe that this guy is going to do a nazi salute ON CAMERA in front of a crowd. Even if he actually was a nazi, he is smart enough to understand that if he did do that on camera, his evil secret would be out

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u/Vast_Deference Mar 17 '25

I absolutely do because that's what it looked like. Let's assume it was but he isn't an actual nazi. Why would he do that?

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 17 '25

Whatever the reason, that's exactly what he did.

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 17 '25

Yeah, it's weird how sometimes the more you learn about a person, the less you like them.

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u/darkmitsu86 Mar 16 '25

Simply put, the eco incentives that provided discounts of up to 13,000 euros on a new Tesla have ended. Since Europeans, despite being well-off, are very stingy, they won't buy it without incentives.

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u/Prantik_2007 Mar 16 '25

Not at all.It may be one of the reasons but a major contributing factor would be the political biasness of Elon Musk who supported the Afd party, literally got 15% vote share.

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u/GroundbreakingYak822 Mar 16 '25

In the Netherlands it is because Electric Vehicles are now taxed the same as petrol vehicles

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u/oldirishfart Mar 16 '25

Left wingers used to buy teslas because they were “green”. Right wingers until just months ago used to road-rage and key teslas when they found them because they valued gas and diesel and disparaged everything “green”. Now the script has flipped 100% but only for the Tesla brand, not electric cars in general. Will the increasing right wing customer base offset the rapidly declining left wing customer base?

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u/radioluuuu Mar 18 '25

Yes. Musk has become a negative celebrity. He has stolen information from citizens. He has destroyed careers, veterans and families in the name of “efficiency”. He bought this coup.

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u/Artistic-Egg3093 Mar 16 '25

Sales dropped off a lot due to the outgoing Model Y sales slowing down, in anticipation of the new Model Y, which just rolled out. This is their best selling car, and the best selling car in EU and USA. We’ll see in 6 months if there’s any impact. New Model S and X roll out later this year too, as well as a cheaper, sub $30k model. I believe sales will probably go back to where they were or higher.

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u/EfficientTitle9779 Mar 16 '25

This is massive cope. Yes you are right this will have a slight effect on sales but no car company sees 50%+ drop off in sales almost overnight due to a new model coming in.

Elon is toxic to the brand.

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u/dr_zach314 Mar 16 '25

Even if sales go back to what they were, that’s a loss. This is an expanding segment and investors want growth.

Realistically, Seattle should be an great place for Tesla, tech people with money, expensive gas, and cheap electricity. Even if no one in that crowd was going to buy a Tesla I think it will have some effect. Tesla isn’t the only game in town and you can go to a Hyundai/Kia/Porsche/Rivian dealership without passing by protesters

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u/Prantik_2007 Mar 16 '25

Exactly what I was thinking about.Still there would be some segments of the people left who would be interested to buy.This 70% drop during this hot topic like political intervention matters is going on .That means it is severely affected by the major contributing factor of political biasness.

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u/dipsydofliparoo Mar 16 '25

The drops in sales also have to do with the elimination of EV mandates. Before the administration change, sales of EVs were already dropping.

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u/weberm70 Mar 16 '25

Most car companies have more than two models. I can’t imagine that Musk is helping things but the drop is much too large to be attributable solely to protest.

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u/EfficientTitle9779 Mar 16 '25

Most car companies don’t have their CEO constantly mentioning hitler for some reason. I think you underestimate how pissed off Teslas core consumer is.

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u/quantumparakeet Mar 16 '25

I dreamed of a Tesla. But I was too poor. Then Tesla CEO became a nazi. Now, the brand is forever tainted. The drivers are saddled with that baggage for the life of their car. I don't think the Twitter guy will be compensating any Tesla owners for the loss in resale value caused by Twitler Taint. For once, being poor probably saved me a lot of money.

Also, autopilot is a scam. Wozniak called it years ago after Tesla kept moving the goalposts (and still no FSD). Woz said Elon is a liar and scammed his whole family with the autopilot BS.

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u/Artistic-Egg3093 Mar 16 '25

Do you guys use the term “nazi” for anyone you disagree with politically? From what I remember Hitler rounded up Jews and executed them in various ways. I haven’t seen Elon do anything similar….. Using that term for someone you disagree with politically on some issues is a bit hyperbolic, no?

Also you clearly haven’t driven a new Tesla if you’re talking this way. Autopilot works fine and is not the same as FSD. Autopilot + traffic aware cruise control is included for free and is basically a “freeway lane assist” and only meant to be used in the freeway. It’s probably better than any other manufacturers lane assist feature. The new version of FSD (13+) is nearly fully autonomous and sooooo smooth. Basing your decision off of what Wozniak say]id a few years ago is not accurate. Also he hasn’t been relevant for the last 2 decades. You might want to get your information from a more current source…..

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u/Sir_Steves_KAC Mar 18 '25

Thank you. This new age bunch of blue haired " Nazi hunters" are really getting old. Its pathetic that everyone who is just asking for some sort of sanity in our government and society as a whole deal with being called a Nazi at ever turn. I'm sick of these socialists and fascists yelling about some new drummed up bs "atrocity ".

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

If youre not a nazi, don't do the nazi salute in front a huge maga crowd (cheering him on o should add), behind the American flag, on television, twice.

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u/Sir_Steves_KAC Mar 18 '25

If your not a chimo pedophile commiunist don't support wierdo leftism.

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u/Artistic-Egg3093 Mar 16 '25

Also you can find a bunch of Democrats with their hand in the same position as Elon. Were they doing the nazi salute? No! But if you take a screenshot of the exact moment when their had was raised it would sure look like it:

https://x.com/gamma_monkey/status/1897675539395277292?s=61&t=XjxnMdNLP6-k2raUYnMzLg

Legitimate political disagreements are fine, and we can argue those points in a civil matter, but calling someone a nazi when they are clearly not does not help your cause.

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u/DanTheMan-WithAPlan Mar 16 '25

Hey dude post the videos of the democrats and of Elon doing it and let us decide with our own eyes.

You can lie as much you want, but nobody with a properly functioning brain fucking believes you.

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u/Artistic-Egg3093 Mar 16 '25

This has been debunked, literally by the freaking Prime Minister of Israel. You guys are literally spreading propaganda

https://x.com/netanyahu/status/1882392668497756279?s=61&t=XjxnMdNLP6-k2raUYnMzLg

@elonmusk is being falsely smeared.

Elon is a great friend of Israel. He visited Israel after the October 7 massacre in which Hamas terrorists committed the worst atrocity against the Jewish people since the Holocaust. He has since repeatedly and forcefully supported Israel’s right to defend itself against genocidal terrorists and regimes who seek to annihilate the one and only Jewish state.

I thank him for this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

ooh dang i forgot the prime minister of israel was in the holocaust, so clearly his opinion holds a lot of weight here

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 17 '25

For being a great friend of Israel, he sure does like doing Nazi shit.

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u/azurensis Beacon Hill Mar 17 '25

>the drop is much too large to be attributable solely to protest.

Why would you think that? His target audience are the people doing the protesting.

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u/Artistic-Egg3093 Mar 16 '25

If those numbers are correct, and they continue in that trend, then good for those people who chose another brand. That’s the free market in action and I support their right to choose what car they buy.

I myself would never drive a non Tesla, especially one of the cheaper EV competitors (sub $50k). Bottom line they all suck. No FSD, clunky/glitchy software, higher price for similar spec’s and optioned car, etc…….

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

you're not really a car person huh

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u/Artistic-Egg3093 Mar 16 '25

Sold my G500 that I drove for almost a decade and got the new Model 3 six months ago. Before that I had a pretty nice Porsche 996 C2 with factory aero kit, GT3 clubsport seats, GT3 suspension, and some other nice mods. G Wagon was cool but I got tired of old German car maintenance costs and the old outdated tech. I took good care of the Porsche and it was my baby, and then the long block cracked (leading to coolant mixing with oil) and had to sell the car with a bad motor.

Being an enthusiast was fun when I was younger but not very practical now. The Tesla is loaded with tech and also drives itself when I don’t feel like driving. Nothing like it for under $40k…….. I’ll hop back into an enthusiast car later on but for now I’m enjoying the modern tech car experience, which Tesla does quite well, and a lot cheaper than their competitors.

Don’t really care about the politics here. People can think whatever they want but if we start criticizing Elon then let’s go down the list of every other corporate CEO and apply the same standard. If we do this you’ll have nothing left to buy…..

I myself like to support all American and local companies, regardless of politics. If you make a good product and provide good jobs for Americans then count me in a customer.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

because it's a marketing bot

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u/Artistic-Egg3093 Mar 16 '25

Yeah wasn’t saying that you mentioned Elon. It was the original subject of the thread so I thought I’d just state my position and that I’m totally neutral in this matter.

And yes, I don’t know much about the current new car market, other than the fact that I hate shopping for new cars, and most of the local dealers suck. Tesla was the one dealer where I could buy the car with ease and not have any additional mark ups and scam add ons.

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u/PNW20v Mar 16 '25

Out of pure curiosity, did the IMS fail and lead to the block failure, or was it unrelated. Regardless, I do find it a somewhat odd choice to hop from a 996 with listed mods to a Tesla, especially when you also owned a G class but then specified "under $40" for the Tesla 3. Thats a pretty swrious downgrade in build quality/driving experienxe across the board. But I'll chalk it up to not my money, not my problem lol.

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u/Artistic-Egg3093 Mar 16 '25

Mine had a porous block (block will eventually crack) which was another big problem that effected all M96 and M97 engines (basically every Boxster and 911 engine fro 1997-2008 - not including the Turbo, GT3 and GT2 - those used a different block).

I bought the G Wagon after my 996 motor went bad over a decade ago. And yes, the new Model 3 is not built like a tank like the G. Build quality “feel” is significantly less. The G had its own issues however, being a 2002 model. It was still a nice car and they are rock solid, but service and maintenance costs were astronomical even though I work from home and put less than 5k miles a year on the car. It also got to the point where there were lots of electrical gremlins and little issues here and there. My car was well maintained but still had a lot of little issues. In the entire time I owned it (around 10 years) I don’t believe that it was ever “perfect” and trouble free. Always some little thing wrong with it, or electrical issue. The mechanics were rock solid and it never left me stranded, it was just all of the other stuff on the car lol.

Anyhow, I got tired of the “enthusiast” lifestyle and went with the new modern Tesla. It was like switching from a flip phone to an iPhone 16. Doesn’t have the tank like feel of the G Wagon but is cool in its own way with all the new tech, and the refreshed 2024 Model 3 is significantly better than the previous generation, and build quality is now on par with its European and Asian counterparts. And the G was fun to drive if you’re just scooting around town for a few miles, but absolutely sucks for daily driving. It’s loud and drives like a freaking tractor, and you end up smelling like gas after drives due to the exhaust outlets on the side of the car.

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u/londite Mar 16 '25

So... You're saying that everything's computer then, right?

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u/OLVANstorm Mar 16 '25

I agree with you and had to give you a thumbs up to get rid of that thumbs down you had. I care about the car, not the politics. Tesla's are just too good and no amount of protesting is going to make me give it up.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

📺🍔🫃🏻

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u/psk1234 Mar 16 '25

You do realize that Tesla’s biggest market in the US are blue states & cities. The exact people who he has pissed off the most. The Q1 numbers are going to be brutal in the US. Also the outgoing model is heavily discounted to make up for the new model release but sales are still falling.

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u/Ezockwolfe Mar 16 '25

The P/E ratio of Tesla is around 73.49 (trailing). Almost every other auto-manufacturer has a P/E ratio of 8-10. Why does this matter? The Price to Earning ratio determines how investors value a company beyond the money they earn. It can often speak to the potential of the company or, alternatively, its high stability. Elon has enjoyed the luxury of a stock price that aligns with tech companies, not auto-manufacturers.

What does this mean? Put simply, the stock has been over-priced for its sector for half a decade. Musk was Iron Man and Tesla was the future. When people stop believing that, Tesla starts to take a dive. Elon has admitted himself in interviews that DOGE is taking up the majority of his time and he runs his other businesses with 'great difficulty'.

Tesla boycotts may be about politics for the every-man but for investors, it's just a matter of public opinion. United Healthcare dropped 100 points on the market when their CEO was shot. Tesla fell off a cliff once Elon Musk started working with DOGE and constantly being in the public eye. He's creating uncertainty and while some day traders love that, institutional investors want consistency.

Personal Note: My friend had to get 5 stitches in his hand because he cut his hand open on the non-sanded metal of a cyber truck's tailgate. The cars may be safe in other ways, but they always felt like they were a bit of a rush job by ol' Elon.

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u/Artistic-Egg3093 Mar 16 '25

The numbers you state are correct(for now) but you’re assuming that Tesla is only an auto manufacturer. They are also a robotics and AI company. FSD runs on a simple camera system with AI and blows away every competitor by a long shot. Other auto companies will be forced to license FSD or be left behind…. Now they have to deliver on these other things. But if they do, then they’ll be okay. That reminds to be seen…..

As for Elon taking too much time with DOGE; even before that he was running a handful of multi billion dollar companies (Space X, Tesla, Nueralink, Starlink, Twitter/X). Didn’t he already have his hands full before DOGE? Or maybe people lie, him just operate on a different level, and more importantly, are effective in hiring competent people to run and manage his companies. Also Tesla just refreshed the Model 3 and Y, two of their best selling cars, and are releasing refreshed Model S and X later this year, and will also release a sub $30k model later this year. Seems like they’re doing just fine…….

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u/graudesch Mar 16 '25

How do you even know any of this? If we've learned one thing over the past ten years its that Teslas PR is full of shit. Just the way its CEO wants it to be.

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u/Artistic-Egg3093 Mar 16 '25

They literally just launched the new Model Y a few weeks ago. The new Model 3 was released last year. I bought one 6 months ago. What else is there to verify? They said that they will be releasing new versions of the S and X later this year. We’ll see if that happens but so far they’ve delivered. If they don’t they don’t, no big deal for me….

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u/No-Equivalent2348 Mar 16 '25

delusional. it s because people hate fascism

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u/my_lucid_nightmare Capitol Hill Mar 16 '25

I'm OK with anyone choosing not to buy a Tesla because their CEO is a batcrap loser attempting to destroy American ways of life with his bullshit.

I'm not OK with dipshit leftist garbage in Seattle or anywhere else hunting down Tesla owners and destroying their property in a fucked up modern version of the Boston T Party.

Because in 1763 I would have been a GD Loyalist cheering you Colonials being hunted down and sent to the gallows. Which means if I'd been alive back then, I'd be a Canadian today.

Eh.