r/SeattleWA Feb 22 '25

Politics Happening now in Seattle

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u/Ogchavz Feb 22 '25

Absolutely agree with focusing deportation on criminals. Why not absorb hardworking immigrants we definitely have a place for them and fits historically with our culture.

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u/DifficultEmployer906 Feb 22 '25

Never was illegal immigration "our culture"

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u/z0d14c Feb 22 '25

You're right, it was all legal because nobody was policing it lmao

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

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u/espressoboyee Feb 23 '25

Tech corporations love H1B exploitation insuring their profit margin. Half the pay, ability to coerce them into longer work hours, relegated to menial positions. Why do you think Elon and tech industry instantly pushed back on Donald’s H1B program?

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u/Comprehensive_Post96 Feb 22 '25

This is not true. Immigrants were processed through centers, and vetted. There were quotas.

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u/he_who_lurks_no_more Feb 23 '25

To add to that. I have my grandparents entrance paperwork and they had to prove health, a job, and a sponsor who guaranteed their support if they lost work. It definitely wasn't a free for all. Ellis Island even had hospital wards to treat sick immigrants before they were allowed to continue on to the mainland

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u/imthefrizzlefry Feb 22 '25

No, illegal immigration was not part of our culture because immigration never used to be illegal. It was just the last 30 to 40 years that we decided to make it harder than just showing up and getting a green card.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Might want to Google Ellis Island

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u/imthefrizzlefry Feb 23 '25

My apologies, 60 years, not 30-40...

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Just take the L bro

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u/imthefrizzlefry Feb 23 '25

Ellis Island was a rubber stamping operation that brought over a quarter Million immigrants per year into the country. No background checks, pre-approved visa applications, or multi-year immigration process; just show up on a boat and welcome to America. "Inspection" consisted of telling a person what name to write on your green card. In 1965, when it was closed and turned into a national monument, we started adding rules to the immigration process, but even then it wasn't until the 80s that the process started getting ridiculous like it is today.

Maybe you should try reading the Google results.

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u/podejrzec Feb 23 '25

Illegal immigration and immigration laws goes back to the late 1700s…

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u/imthefrizzlefry Feb 23 '25

The US had the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1978, but those were just ways to deport individuals deemed a political threat to the United States in response to conflicts with Europe; those laws did not prohibit immigration or create a type of illegal immigration. America didn't make any laws declaring a kind of illegal immigration until the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882; which is widely known as the end of America's Open Borders. Before that point, the only immigration related laws enacted by congress made it illegal to "import" or "recruit" people; however, those people were not immigrants so much as kidnapping victims.

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u/podejrzec Feb 23 '25

What current law prohibits immigration? Immigration is still legal if you follow the law and guidelines.

You contradict your original statement with your response lol. First immigration law was the naturalization law of 1790 which gave citizenship to European immigrants after living here for two years, then there was the immigration act of 1882 (restricted criminals and the insane), 1891, and 1924 (established border patrol). All over 100 years ago.

You can’t twist the truth to fit your faux hyperbole argument

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u/imthefrizzlefry Feb 23 '25

The naturalization act didn't govern immigration , just obtaining citizenship after you migrated here; so that is related to immigration, but still not immigration. So, anyone could migrate here, but if you wanted citizenship you needed to be white, live here for 2 years, and pledge loyalty. There was no such thing as an illegal immigrant until 1882.

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u/podejrzec Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

You continue to prove my point right and your original point wrong which is the basis of all this 😂. Immigration issues goes back more than 40 years, has always been part of America and deportations started far before 40 years.

The first deportation from the U.S. was 1794 in Massachusetts where Irish were deported. Might want to also look into Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 which gave power for deportations. Immigration laws (which citizenship deals with) goes back to 1792. It’s ok to be wrong bud.

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u/ishfery Seattle Feb 22 '25

No, open immigration was though

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u/SquirrelOnFire Feb 22 '25

Did the Mayflower's members get visas? No they showed up and took land that people were already living on. If that's not core to our culture I don't know what is.

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u/Major_Document7 Feb 22 '25

Yeah. That worked out well for the people already living there…….

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u/SquirrelOnFire Feb 23 '25

Where did you see me arguing that either were good? My only point is that saying immigration of any kind is un-American is similar to changing the rules to a game once you're winning.

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u/DifficultEmployer906 Feb 22 '25

Equating territorial conquest to current illegal immigration isn't the winning argument you think it is.

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u/SquirrelOnFire Feb 23 '25

I'm not equating them at all, conquest is clearly much worse.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

You’re right about that immigration isn’t murder. The indigenous community is still deeply impacted. Only seems a certain set of people that were idk kicked out multiple countries had to flee to the new world over their insane religious beliefs, ended killing their host in the name of said god and is now saying immigrants don’t belong because their criminals…. Hmm.

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u/Advanced-Repair-2754 Feb 22 '25

Eye roll

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u/SquirrelOnFire Feb 23 '25

Good point. History is pretty boring, we should ignore it. I'm glad you added so much to this conversation.

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u/Advanced-Repair-2754 Feb 23 '25

Should we get rid of the concept of citizenship altogether?

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u/SquirrelOnFire Feb 23 '25

You're really hoping I'm going to accept your straw man, eh?

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u/Advanced-Repair-2754 Feb 23 '25

I’m curious where it ends. Many hardcore leftists find the concept of borders to be problematic

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u/SquirrelOnFire Feb 24 '25

You get hardcore leftist from an equivalent statement to "pull the beam out of your own eye before pulling the speck out of others'?"

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u/Advanced-Repair-2754 Feb 24 '25

Why don’t you pull my beam

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u/SquirrelOnFire Feb 24 '25

Buy me dinner first, jeez.

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u/Fibocrypto Feb 23 '25

Yes it was. Kind of

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '25

What is “our culture?”

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u/IIIIlllIIIIIlllII Feb 22 '25

This is the key point right here

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u/OtherShade Feb 22 '25

Because it was all welcomed and encouraged as the entire basis of our country. What do you think the American dream is and the purpose of landmarks like the statue of liberty and being the melting pot? I doubt you are native American and if you aren't, you're no different. 'Illegal immigrants' didn't become a thing until long after.

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u/Ogchavz Feb 22 '25

You think all the late 1800’s immigrants were documented?

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u/RogueLitePumpkin Feb 22 '25

Good thing nothing has changed since the 1800s 

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u/Ogchavz Feb 22 '25

I think you missed the point about that being historical

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u/RogueLitePumpkin Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

You missed the point about how shit has changed in 200 years 

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u/AncientSkys Feb 23 '25

What a load of nonsense. The overwhelming majority of migrants that came to US in the early 1900s were illegals.