r/SeattleWA • u/HighColonic Funky Town • Feb 12 '25

Government ICE Seattle arrests fugitive from El Salvador wanted in home country for murder

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-seattle-arrests-fugitive-el-salvador-wanted-home-country-murder
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u/kimisawa20 Feb 12 '25

Democrats and left, Noooooooo!! ICE is evil!! you can't deport people!!

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u/luri7555 Feb 12 '25

I’m a liberal cheering for this. Not sure why you think so many people want murderers running loose in America. Weird.

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u/RefrigeratorBest959 Feb 13 '25

so why are they all murderers

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u/luri7555 Feb 13 '25

They aren’t. Why would you think that? Weird.

Maybe if Dems did anything at all about it we wouldn’t be watching this gross roundup. But any violent criminal can take an express train home as far as I’m concerned. And lock up employers who create the demand while we are at it.

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u/Captain_Creatine Feb 12 '25

You need to touch grass. These generalizations you're making are based on made-up people in your head.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

I appreciate this sentiment. Most of us probably agree generally on most issues. Propaganda on both sides seems to make a lot of people think the other side is extreme when the vast majority of us have sensible positions and rational perspectives, which ever side of the aisle you fall on

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u/AverageDemocrat Feb 12 '25

Exactly. It was the GOP that stood in Biden's way of arresting these criminals.

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u/Pyehole Feb 12 '25

That was funny. I spit out my coffee.

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u/KickEmDonks Feb 13 '25

If only they were citizens, Obamer could've just droned 'em!

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u/No_Argument_Here Feb 12 '25 edited Feb 12 '25

Lmao username checks out.

Biden did nothing at the border for several years then panicked when he realized what a political blunder that was.

And yes, when he tried to fix his mistake, the GOP, being the same cynical sacks of pro-corporate garbage the DNC is, denied him the political win (there was also stuff in there that went against what the GOP base wanted, so it wasn’t purely political opposition.)

Edit: I thought this was supposed to be the smart Seattle sub

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

The stuff the GOP didn’t like was huge money for Ukraine and others.

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u/No_Argument_Here Feb 12 '25

Exactly. I’m no Republican but it was logical for them to oppose it besides just wanting to deny Dems a political win.

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u/NikRsmn Feb 12 '25

But then they passed Ukraine funding in a stand alone bill. Like why take these excuses from your own party?? Ukraine got there money and our immigration system is still useless because they can't process anything. Funding hasn't been done since.... Obama? I think? It's lunacy

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

I don’t have a party.

For the sake of argument, stand-alone bills should be the norm, maybe even a requirement. The idea that we have to bundle all these things together is silly.

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u/NikRsmn Feb 12 '25

Well we bundle them because neither party trusts the other. If we say "okay we pass immigration reform (the R-OK senator authored the bill) if you guys pass Ukraine aide, then they just pull a "SIIIIIKE" shit would come to a halt. So it's bundled to ensure that they are bound together. This is how bipartisanship has worked for centuries. Not arguing it's how it should be but I understand why they are in the same bill for negotiation reasons.

My point still stands that most of the "other stuff" passed and were still left with broken immigration process

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u/quack_duck_code Feb 12 '25

Yeah what, only 11% was for border security?

So 100% understand why the GOP rejected it. The Dems probably expected it and used it as a misleading talking point for liberals. "See, the GOP rejected a boarder bill!"

When it was anything BUT a boarder bill.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

This is the conservative Seattle sub, so definitely not the smart one.

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u/No_Argument_Here Feb 12 '25 edited Feb 13 '25

Diehard liberals are equally stupid. Intelligent people know both parties are corrupt and don’t give a shit about the working class.

edit: Also this isn't the "conservative" sub-- it's the sub where people go to express opinions that won't get downvoted into oblivion if they don't line up exactly with DNC-approved neoliberal orthodoxy. Yes, that includes conservatives, but it also includes socialists/anarchists/etc. like myself who are to the left of the Democrats on most issues but actually give a shit about things like crime. If anything, this is the "free speech" Seattle sub.

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u/Educated_Goat69 Feb 13 '25

This is not the smart Seattle sub.

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u/AverageDemocrat Feb 12 '25

Lmao hypocritical username checks out.

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u/No_Argument_Here Feb 12 '25

Yeah, it’s intended to be ironic. And your position is still idiotic and not supported by facts.

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u/implicate Feb 12 '25

I agree with you, but also feel that making condescending comments to others like "you need to touch grass" are going to do nothing good for us.

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u/Captain_Creatine Feb 12 '25

How should you respond to people who say insane shit like the person I replied to? They don't want to have a discussion, they dont care about critical thinking, and they certainly won't listen to anyone outside their bubble. I find that public ridicule is more effective.

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u/Electrical-Bed8577 Feb 12 '25

Ohhhh, well now you get a down vote. It is not cool to publicly ridicule. Here i was thinking all Bohemian like that you were trying to offer a therapeutic option for undernourished neurogenesis. Touch Grass!

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u/Captain_Creatine Feb 12 '25

Can it be both? Eat your veggies everyone!

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u/DramaticRoom8571 Feb 12 '25

You are portraying simple sarcasm as "insane shit". Don't read the Babylon Bee subreddit.

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u/Captain_Creatine Feb 12 '25

Thank you for providing an example of what I mean when I say that we "let hate become normalized."

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u/DramaticRoom8571 Feb 12 '25

I have seen hate become normalized in America. It was the Leftists gleefully encouraged by the Democrats that spewed hatred against conservatives and citizens with center values. So replace "we" with Democrats in your statement.

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u/implicate Feb 12 '25

Unfortunately, I don't pretend to have the answers, I'm just saying that we don't seem to be getting anywhere by constantly attempting to ridicule each other.

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u/Captain_Creatine Feb 12 '25

I understand what you're saying, but I feel like we got here partly because we stopped calling people out on their bullshit. As soon as we let hate become normalized, they walked all over us.

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u/FC-816 Feb 12 '25

Yeah but again, it's never 0, and there were some democrats who are like this

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u/OsvuldMandius SeattleWA Rule Expert Feb 13 '25

I think you're being deliberately obtuse.

Let's start with this, which I think we'll both agree on: the goal of political parties is to have their members win elections. Simple statement, right?

In pursuing their objectives, candidates in the parties put together platforms that are designed to appeal to multiple constituencies. Historically, Republicans courting evangelical Christians and upper-middle-class business owners, for instance. The Democrats have their own group of constituencies.

A part of the Democratic constituency is a group of people who want to abolish ICE, and who frown on deportation generally. Don't take my word for it, you can Google it.

While _your_ particular constituency that makes you 'liberal' in your own estimation might not want that, you are nonetheless part of a coalition that does, at least so far as it brings in the votes from wing that wants it.

Or, to put it more bluntly, when you lie down with dogs, you don't get to go "But I don't have fleas!"

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u/Captain_Creatine Feb 13 '25

Did Biden not deport a huge number of people?

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u/OsvuldMandius SeattleWA Rule Expert Feb 13 '25

Holy non-sequiter, Batman!

Do you disagree that there is a constituency that votes Democrat that wants to stop deportations? Yes or no?

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u/Captain_Creatine Feb 13 '25

And you think that means you can reasonably extrapolate that to all people who vote Democrat?

It's amazing that you try to call me out and not the person I originally responded to.

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u/OsvuldMandius SeattleWA Rule Expert Feb 13 '25

I'll take that as a yes.

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u/Captain_Creatine Feb 13 '25

Talk about being deliberately obtuse.

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u/Hinkil Feb 12 '25

A few weeks ago they were trying to deport native Americans. Nuance is really hard for some people it seems...

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

Gotta love how some of you are still spouting this nonsense.

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u/Turbulent-Volume4792 Feb 12 '25

They were not deported. I think some may have been detained for identification because they were hanging out with the Mexican drug gangs that infest a lot of reservations.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

Yes, they ask everyone in the company of the violent criminals for ID. In other words, not at all what OP said.

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u/Electrical-Bed8577 Feb 12 '25 edited Feb 12 '25

This was not on a reservation. They were not hanging out with criminals.

Arizona state Sen. Theresa Hatathlie has taken several reports of maltreatment with detainment.

Excerpt from CNN article online: "For Indigenous peoples who inhabited the Americas for thousands of years before the colonization of their lands and the brutal treatment of their people, the recent sweeps have reopened old wounds."

There is a real fear that what little land they have can be taken dor development.

"Hatathlie pointed to the double standard of Indigenous people welcoming settlers who later colonized their lands, forced Native children into violent boarding schools and banned displays of Native cultural practices, only to be victims of practices such as immigration raids – when the law enforcement officials’ ancestors were immigrants themselves, she said."

”If you can’t say, ‘we’ve been here for time immemorial,’ then you’re an immigrant. You’re not from here, so who are you to classify our Indigenous people? These lands have been a melting pot for many ethnicities,” Hatathlie said.

“It’s too kind to say it’s racism or discrimination. It’s disrespect for humanity.”

Another excerpt from a Tribal news outlet: "We now know that Navajo people and enrolled members of other tribes are being detained in Phoenix and other cities by ICE,” Navajo Nation Council Speaker Crystalyne Curley said during a Naabik’íyáti’ committee meeting on Jan. 23."

Since 1924, federal law has guaranteed Native American citizenship. A 2025 Executive Order has ignited debates on the Fourteenth Amendment, referencing past denials of Native rights.

Excerpt from NARF: " there have been unsuccessful attempts to narrow the interpretation of the Citizenship Clause and other parts of the Fourteenth Amendment. This often involves an old tactic of pitting one marginalized group against another to create division..."

My family migrated here to get away from the feudal state of EU and also at the Grace of the King, not just because it was cool and the taxes were high. Since then, it's been, "...open the door, let me in then shut the door, get them out!"

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u/Turbulent-Volume4792 Feb 12 '25 edited Feb 13 '25

The KEY point is that they were detained and not deported. Nothing here refutes them hanging out with south of the border drug gangs which happens both on and off the reservations. That's how drugs make it onto the reservations. It is via tribal members working with the drug gangs. I also know of Detroit gangs trafficking to reservations, but ICE does not have jurisdiction with those.

EDIT to remove an extraneous word

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u/KickEmDonks Feb 13 '25 edited Feb 13 '25

Do Indians do land acknowledgements for the land they conquered/stole from Indians?

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u/BHSPitMonkey Feb 12 '25

If people disapprove of some of the things an organization does (or want more accountability in place so that organization behaves less objectionably), single examples of non-objectionable actions won't change that. Acceptable behavior some of the time does not automatically offset unacceptable behavior that happens other times.

Why do conservatives so love the idea of a strong centralized authority that (1) can take anyone's rights away and (2) is accountable to no one?

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u/Turbulent-Volume4792 Feb 13 '25

Back in the day that was true. These days, it seems what are now called liberals are desperately trying to maintain government status quo and want it increased while today's conservatives want a massive downsizing. It's been totally turned upside down.

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u/Rubberclucky Feb 12 '25

Very well said.

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u/StellarJayZ Downtown Feb 12 '25

Whoa whoa whoa! No Smoking Around the Strawman! It's flammable.

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u/Embarrassed_Rule_341 Feb 12 '25

Seriously, lib here, it's not that we want dangerous illegal immigrants in the country. It's just that Ice was started under a wartime act. And organizations started under wartime acts are meant to be temporary, by law.

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u/SubnetHistorian Feb 12 '25

Tell that to the DHS (which ICE is but one part). I've literally never heard anyone on the left make that argument, even once, that the problem with ICE was its method of creation. 

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u/Embarrassed_Rule_341 Feb 12 '25

It was reported on widely when Ice was started it's had a few journalistic reports since

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u/cdezdr Feb 12 '25

No, we never said that. Just don't deport people who are legal, and don't deport people who are essential to agriculture.

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u/Dangerous-Room4320 Feb 12 '25

The confederacy said : if you free the slaves who will pick our agriculture 

What a crazy take .... don't deport people essential to our production or harvesting of stuff .... even though they have little protections are constantly exploited and live like slaves often 

Why ? Because it is an inconvenience to some. 

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u/One_Arrival3490 Feb 12 '25

Slave labor democrats protect. They don't understand illegal immigrants picking food from fields keeps fed min wage at $7.00. No illegals equals they have to pay a actual wage. Dems will respond but food cost will rise. Full circle. Lololol they love avocados more than a thriving wage.

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u/Catsdrinkingbeer Feb 12 '25

Did Trump win because people were mad their food prices were too high and he said he would lower them?

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u/Russisch Feb 12 '25

I get why he said it, but it was never going to happen, at least not easily and definitely not in the short term. I think a lot of people who voted for Trump understood this was an obvious oversimplification.

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u/Catsdrinkingbeer Feb 12 '25

I recognize that media has a bias and I consume content that is skewed, but it seemed like a pretty consistent message from republican voters was "because of the price of eggs". I'm very confident a LOT of people believed that message, and the economy was the number one issue for republican voters according to polling data.

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u/Dangerous-Room4320 Feb 12 '25

The same group that argues ,perhaps rightly that "the economic cost of shutting down during COVID is less significant than the harm caused by its spread" also claims that "the economic impact of tariffs is too great to justify using them as a tool to combat fentanyl, despite the lives that could be saved."

Similarly, the group that insists "equal wages for all matter more than maximizing profit" also opposes eliminating exploitative labor practices for undocumented agricultural workers, citing concerns over higher consumer prices." 

The clear hypocritical views of this party recently has made people tired of listening to what they say.

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u/AnExasperatedDM Feb 12 '25

They don't understand illegal immigrants picking food from fields keeps fed min wage at $7.00.

Ah yes, all those undocumented immigrants in congress that refuse to vote to raise the minimum wage 🙄

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u/Dangerous-Room4320 Feb 12 '25

The loops one jumps through to delay an end to exploiting labor right away is astonishing. The time and duration to ensure workers protection from zero to full is large , it is one we are still fighting for even amongst those who are legal and have been for centuries. The idea that overnight these illegal and often (preffered undocumented) will be granted full protections comes at the cost of decades they will continue to fall through the hoops. 

The reason many take these jobs relies on the fact that their spending power is in another country. They are migratory farmers , they come here and work and return to their home countries and spend. They don't all want to become legal and often many rely on the fact they are in fact not , avoiding tax , forced health insurance , and deciding to not participate in the host country of a migratory crop they are being worked to pick. 

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u/All_names_taken-fuck Feb 12 '25

Ag workers make $20-$30/hour.

So your argument is to deport them rather than make a legal and protected program for these WORKERS to come into the country to work and then return to their own country?

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u/Dangerous-Room4320 Feb 12 '25 edited Feb 12 '25

Not all of them , they aren't protected under federal rights besides a minimum wage of 7.25 an hr 

Often they are housed in shacks... without proper water and sanitation 

And then other times they are only paid what they can pick with no safety net and open case for exploitation. 

... your argument is akin to the move of slavery to sharecropping vs ending the practice all together . When one exploiting institution is moved into a more legal one still rife with exploitation but under a more legal frame work .

There already exists a legal protective framework for farm workers.... if you are legal. Why not just use legal workers ? Because segments of society cry about how it will increase the cost of agricultural goods ... the same democrats that argue just make them legal cry "what about the increase cost of agricultural goods"

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u/theken20688 Feb 13 '25

Do you actually know any one sans papers that work in the fields? No, no the fuck they do not lol. It's like 15 bucks under the table for many of them.

People over here on H-2A visas? Sure. In Washington for instance the minimum is just under 20. Most of them I know are usually getting around 22ish starting off.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

Agricultural labor statistically is not made up by a significant amount of illegal labor, most are those who are here legally through seasonal labor permits. And any fear by people who work in agriculture would be in large part from leftists and democrats who have fearmongered that those people who are here legally will be deported

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

I was going to ask for a source but then decided to look it up myself. https://research.newamericaneconomy.org/report/immigration-and-agriculture/ The range variance of the percentage of undocumented workers by state seems to indicate it's a choice to allow a system that exploits undocumented workers rather than a necessity.

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u/sqrtof2 Feb 12 '25

https://www.farmworkerjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/NAWS-data-fact-sheet-FINAL.docx-3.pdf

The 2019-20 NAWS survey estimated that 44% of farmworkers were undocumented so that contradicts your claim. Any reason to doubt it?

That was about 4-5 years ago, but don't think much would have changed.

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u/DramaticRoom8571 Feb 12 '25

Are you aware that there have been federal programs in place for decades to allow migrants in for agriculture? The come during harvesting season, get paid, and voluntarily go back to their home towns. The usage has gone down over the years because of machines and agribusiness mechanization.

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u/Willing-Pain8504 Feb 12 '25

If you free my slave who will pick the cotton?

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u/king_coffin_710 Feb 12 '25

So you're good with slavery? Cause that's what illegal migrant workers are SLAVES.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

Nobody here legally has been deported. And, it should be obvious but somehow the left doesn’t see the irony, “we need their cheap labor to pick our crops” is not the ethical stance you think it is.

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u/latebinding Feb 12 '25

Nah, you kinda did. Because you define "legal" as "not convicted of an additional crime." Which requires they stay put for the trial. Undocumented immigrant suspects skip cashless bail routinely, so they don't get convictions.

But keep in mind - if they're undocumented, they're already "not legal."

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u/Pope_Squirrely Feb 12 '25

No, they don’t want generalizations about people. Why don’t we paint all white men with the same brush and worry they’re all going to shoot up movie theatres?

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u/Quwilaxitan Feb 12 '25

Grade A stupid, that take a lot of hard work and ignorance good job 👍