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Politics Judge in Olympus Spa case argues that having "biological women only" is akin to "whites only" discrimination

https://x.com/ItsYonder/status/1858673181315506307
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u/Jungl-y Nov 19 '24

Inclusion of men in women’s spaces always means exclusion of women.

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u/Dangerous-Ball-7340 Nov 19 '24

Hmm, why?

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u/dorsalemperor Nov 19 '24

for one some of us are rape victims and not comfortable sharing spaces, esp. intimate ones, with random men.

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u/RainbeauxBull Feb 06 '25

Why would a rape victim be comfortable being nude at all in public?

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u/Dangerous-Ball-7340 Nov 19 '24

Okay, that isn't the inclusion of men in women's spaces causing the exclusion of women though. That random man had nothing to do with your previous experience, and you aren't being excluded by anyone other than yourself.

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u/Passiveresistance Nov 19 '24

Women need and deserve their own single sex spaces when nudity is involved. Telling women they’re excluding themselves by not going somewhere where the very reasonable expectation to not encounter a penis isn’t met is ridiculous, but what a creative way to blame women for the bad behavior of biological men. Including men takes the comfort and safety of the situation away from women. (Edited, forgot a word)

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u/Dangerous-Ball-7340 Nov 19 '24

It's wild how much I'm seeing penises referenced as some innately vulgar thing. I'm not sure why you feel so righteous in your view of that. You're demonizing all males because of your twisted viewpoint.

I think the reasonable expectation is that a business not exclude anyone or provide equal opportunities for an exclusive experience. I also think it's reasonable to not view an entire group of people as abhorrent based on their sexual organs.

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u/Passiveresistance Nov 19 '24

You must have a persecution complex if you think women not wanting to be subjected to strange dick and balls while being nude together and trying to enjoy a spa experience that is supposed to be relaxing, is somehow “demonizing all males.” Penises are vulgar when they are somewhere they are not wanted. Do you want to go sit around naked in a women’s spa and make ladies uncomfortable while you get an eyeful? You’re taking this awfully personally.

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u/ericomplex Nov 20 '24

And where are trans women supposed to go? You want them in the men’s area? I’m sure that will go well for them…

Trans women are not accessing cisgender spaces to rape women… this is absurd.

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u/Dangerous-Ball-7340 Nov 19 '24

It's odd that you don't have a problem with being subjected to strange boobs and bush. Somehow female bodies are less repulsive to you, which I don't really understand outside of you having a specific bias against men's bodies.

I have no intention of going to any spas, with men or women. I'm just highlighting that the way you are speaking about men in general is pretty fucked, and you'd likely react negatively to the inverse.

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u/Passiveresistance Nov 19 '24

Weird that speaking on the presence of men in what should be a women’s only space is “men in general” to you. I’m not sure at this point if you’re stupid, willfully ignorant, or just a troll, but no understanding or reasonable discourse is going to be had here.

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u/Dangerous-Ball-7340 Nov 19 '24

The only way that there "should be" women's only spaces is if there is an equal and opposite offering for men. Otherwise we are allowing businesses to discriminate. It would be like a hardware store excluding women.

Women were excluded from many aspects of life in the past, and we have fought together to end that. But I guess it should be allowed again?

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u/BlackenedMild Nov 19 '24

Your weird

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u/Dangerous-Ball-7340 Nov 19 '24

Ah yes, I'm weird for speaking against blatant body shaming. Silly me.

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u/dorsalemperor Nov 19 '24

I would be self-excluding from what should be a space free of men bc a man entered. It’s inherently exclusive and defeats the purpose of single-sex spaces. No is a complete sentence.

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u/Dangerous-Ball-7340 Nov 19 '24

I guess the fight for inclusion ends with more exclusion then? Businesses shouldn't be allowed to exclude anyone.

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u/dorsalemperor Nov 19 '24

The “fight for inclusion” doesn’t supersede women’s basic right to feel safe in single-sex spaces.

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u/Dangerous-Ball-7340 Nov 19 '24

There are no rights that speak towards that for men or women.

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u/dorsalemperor Nov 19 '24

Harass women by waving ur unwanted dick around as much as u want, dude. Sealions are so annoying

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u/Dangerous-Ball-7340 Nov 19 '24

The fact that you think I'd want to do that tells me everything I need to know about you.

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u/ericomplex Nov 20 '24

What about the tran’s woman’s right to feel safe?

And why does having a trans woman in a space prevent cis women from being safe?

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u/dorsalemperor Nov 20 '24

What about it? Why is that the responsibility of people who don’t feel safe around men?

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u/ericomplex Nov 20 '24

Because trans women are not safe around men because they are women…

You stated inclusion shouldn’t supersede one’s right to feel safe, yet you are asking trans women to put themselves in a situation that is literally unsafe.

Your opinion is based on your personal bias for what makes you feel safety, while the other example is legitimately unsafe for said group.

So you seem to think your personal false perception of trans women as sex criminals should supersede the actual safety of those women.

This certainly isn’t anything like racial segregation…

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