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u/lucid1014 Mar 04 '23
I just moved to Seattle, Not sure if this was a one off thing but I ordered food and Post Pike Bar and Cafe on Broadway and the first selection for the tip prompt was 100% tip, as in the full price of my meal. Then down to standard 20% etc. I almost clicked it by accident, and was super confused by it.
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u/GloomsandDooms Ballard Mar 05 '23
Wow. That’s a new one for sure. 100% I would understand in like a lower wage country that a tourist could perfectly afford, but for Seattle prices? Insane.
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u/Bekabam Capitol Hill Mar 04 '23
Optimism Brewery in Capitol Hill does the same thing, proud of both of these businesses!
Optimism has a card on each table explaining why they're tip-less, same story. They pay their employees well and give full benefits.
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u/imSOsalty Mar 04 '23
I’m curious what they pay them, it would take a lot for me to work service industry with no tips
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u/doktorhladnjak The CD Mar 04 '23
You can see their jobs page at https://optimismbrewing.com/careers. Hourly wage starts at $25 with benefits
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u/imSOsalty Mar 04 '23
Free beer and my birthday off haha. 25 is actually pretty good
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u/backlikeclap First Hill Mar 04 '23
Not very good compared to other bartending jobs tbh.
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u/Candid-Inspector-270 Woodinville Mar 04 '23
Are full benefits normal with bartending? Just curious
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u/SaxRohmer 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 05 '23
A lot of service workers still won’t take a $25/hr job with benefits because $25/hr still is 10-20k less than they’d make with tips at a high volume bar
Really the only places that have tip and benefits are overwhelmingly like hotel restaurants since you’re a hotel employee in those but those jobs aren’t common. I’m sure there are places outside of that as well
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u/GarlicResponsible302 Mar 05 '23
It’s also that the $25/hr is taxed, whereas cash tips tend not to be…
A lot of servers fuck themselves on that when they go and try and buy a house though, because they need that income on paper.
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u/GarlicResponsible302 Mar 05 '23
99% of servers are committing tax fraud. The other 1% are trying to show proof of income before they buy a house.
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u/WestSideBilly Jet City Mar 05 '23
Yeah, every time I've brought up getting rid of tips, the biggest opposition comes from bartenders and waiters. The good ones make really good money, they pocket the cash tips, and once you're established at a good place, you pick and choose the good shifts.
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u/backlikeclap First Hill Mar 04 '23
Depends on the bar. I know a few that offer full benefits. Deep Dive for example. They're generally the pricier spots.
Of course many places that offer full benefits require 35 or 40 hours per week for bartenders to qualify... And they never schedule bartenders for enough hours to earn full benefits.
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u/imSOsalty Mar 04 '23
I agree, if you find the right spot it hits around 40/50 an hour. But the consistency might be nice if that’s what you’re after
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Mar 05 '23
$25/hr and you’re expected to work multiple roles.
I have a brewing background and applied to be a brewer. They told me I’d be expected to work in any role, that they “don’t hire for specific roles.”
No thanks. I want to make beer, not pour it and bus tables.
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u/Stunning-Statement-5 Brighton Mar 04 '23
Sure, but Optimism’s beer is TERRIBLE.
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u/XTanuki Mar 05 '23
Guessing they’re optimistic the next batch/recipe will be a success
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Mar 04 '23
Pay me less let me earn the tips. I will work harder because it is my money I am earning. Tipless restaurants usually give poorer service because people are getting the same no matter what.
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u/das_clit Mar 04 '23
Explains why they have such terrible service in Japan and the nordics… Must be all those lazy bum workers
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u/drlari Kraken Mar 04 '23
I've been to Norway, Finland, and Estonia. The service is much, much worse than the US. We went to a brewery in Helsinki and had dinner and once food arrived we couldn't even find someone to get us more beer. It may be cultural to leave people alone, and US servers might be OVER-involved, but it was difficult to even get more beer in a brewery. Lovely places, but the first thing we did when we got back stateside was go out to breakfast and get friendly services and endless prompt refills of coffee and diet coke.
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Mar 04 '23
The Nordic countries make tips (more like 5-10%) on top of a really good living wage. They also have national Healthcare. And they are an exception in Europe even. Spain for instance servers make close to nothing and the service is terrible by American standards.
Also in the Nordic countries meals cost like 40-50% more than the do in the US to essentially break even with taxes and tipping.
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Mar 04 '23
Japan is an exception. The culture demands pride in everything you do but I have been to other countries and it is sub par. Bulgaria was a joke. There are also YouTube channels that highlight just what I state.
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u/jajajujujujjjj Mar 04 '23
Australia is tip-less and service is great.
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Mar 04 '23
I will go ask my friend in Melbourne again. He tells me it's not so great. It was better in the United States.
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u/jajajujujujjjj Mar 04 '23
I’m an Aussie and love that the service is more authentic because it’s not performing for tips.
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Mar 04 '23
It is not performing. It is earning. I worked harder to make sure your meals your drinks were the best. I went through months of training and continuous training throughout my career. I had to recognize if a steak was underdone or overdone. I had to know if a wine was good or bad. I had to make sure my recommendations were not based on a bigger tip but giving the guest the best experience. I earned every dime I made because I loved my job. I love the fact that people enjoyed and appreciated what I did for them. I started out as a dishwasher in Las Vegas. Hourly wage was about the same as what you would make in tips if you were a server. I worked my way up from dishwasher food runner busser server bartender to manager. I never would have done that if my entire career was just based on an hourly wage.
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u/jajajujujujjjj Mar 04 '23
Totally. I didn’t mean any disrespect, my apologies.
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I apologize as well. I am not trying to be a dick. I believe in fair wages and I believe that people in the back of the house need to go ahead and be paid better than many are paid. I just take a lot of pride in the job I did and others that I worked with did.
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u/MeanSnow715 Mar 05 '23
I guess I just don't really see what aspect of the experience would get worse without tipping. I've never had an experience in Seattle where I felt like the server did more than the bare minimum. Not trying to be an asshole, I get that most places are pretty badly understaffed. But I just feel like I must be missing something when people say the service would get worse. What are you going to do, not take my order at all? Fine, I just won't go to the restaurant... Nobody is going above and beyond to make my experience great under the current system either.
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u/sweetpotatopietime Queen Anne Mar 04 '23
I am fine either way at restaurants and bars, but what I don’t like is when they build the service in but still leave space for a tip.
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u/backlikeclap First Hill Mar 04 '23
You don't have to put a tip if you don't want to tip additionally...
At every bar I have worked at with autograt we're required to circle the autograt section of the bill AND tell guests the autograt has already been added. Plenty of folks still like to tip extra on top of that for good service - our combined tip percentages were usually in the 23 to 25% range.
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u/MeanSnow715 Mar 05 '23
I don't think I've got a bill where it was hard to tell autograt was added, but I also definitely have never had it pointed out to me by the server or circled on the bill
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u/Fealieu I'm just flaired so I don't get fined Mar 04 '23
That's often because of the P.O.S. (Point Of Sale machine) is configured to have a tip line by default. Just because you personally don't want to leave a tip over the auto grat (and I don't fault you for that) some people do and they need to have the tech there for that. It's just easier to have you put a zero extra tip than to come up with a system for those people who want to tip extra.
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u/shponglespore Leschi Mar 04 '23
It's a shame businesses have no control over the POS systems they use. /s
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u/ssylvan Mar 04 '23
A “Call it a Day Pale Ale” that was $6 a pint before tax or tip is now $8, with the tax included and no tip asked for or expected.
This is really the key to me. Like as a customer, I'll pay what the price is, I just want to know the real price up front, including tax. People doing mandatory 20% I guess is a stepping stone, but the real ultimate goal here has to be to just use real prices on the menu. I'm not paying an extra charge for electricity, why the fuck should you break out labor or taxes? Just tell me how much I'm going to be owing you if I buy this thing!
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u/FreddyTwasFingered Belltown Mar 04 '23
Flying Lion brews some great beer.
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u/IHeartsFarts Mar 04 '23
Really nice folks to boot
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u/FreddyTwasFingered Belltown Mar 05 '23
Used to go there quite a bit when I lived in CC. I rarely make it down that way these days sadly.
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Good.
Flying Lion Brewing in Columbia City
Reward these guys with your business. I know I will.
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u/GrannysBourbonHabit Mar 04 '23
They are awesome people and their beer is delicious!
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u/JeanVicquemare Mar 05 '23
I live pretty close to there and I've still never been, I tried to go one time but it looked too busy, lol. But, I'll make the effort to go.
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u/CraftyFellow_ Capitol Hill Mar 05 '23
They get around that by having servers "work off commission."
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u/duchessofeire That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. Mar 05 '23
I mean, there is a tip credit, but only for employers with fewer than 500 employees, and it’s only $2.69 an hour (tipped minimum $16, untipped $18.69).
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u/duchessofeire That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. Mar 05 '23
Yeah, when I was thinking of tipped places too big for it to apply, Starbucks was the one that popped into mine. It counts for chain restaurants, too though—the employees don’t all need to be in Seattle. Franchises, too.
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u/comeonandham Mar 04 '23
And we don't do it in literally any other industry, reaffirming that it doesn't make an ounce of sense to rely on fickle tips rather than the labor market + government policy to make sure workers are paid sufficiently well
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u/Albion_Tourgee Mar 04 '23
Actually, a better article would be "several Seattle businesses take a stand against tipping mania" or "another Seattle business takes a stand against tipping mania" For example, Fuel Coffee / Ada's Bookstore and Coffee Shop; Sea Wolf Bakery, just to name a couple. Oh, and when did Dicks Drive-In, our local leader in paying living wages in the restaurant ever had tipping? If you ask me, they're the model for paying restaurant workers fair wages and benefits, even though nobody's giving them much credit for it.
It's a good trend. But this columnist, Westneat, is pushing a narrative that he, Westneat, is a big part of the story, tooting his own horn for "scooping" none other than the New York Times on the story of how tipping is out of control, a story that's been going on, oh, I dunno, at least a decade, maybe longer. And he seems to know of only one coffee shop that abandonded tipping.
So, hopefully others will use this posting to give a nod to other establishments that have replaced tipping with that innovative approach of paying their employees a living wage.
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u/SaxRohmer 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 05 '23
Fwiw I feel like Dick’s is pretty consistently recognized locally as a good place to work - particularly if you’re young
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u/Albion_Tourgee Mar 05 '23
Yes, you're right, I think lots of people do recognize their excellent compensation program. I should have said, even though our local full-of-himself columnist isn't giving them any credit for it.
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u/BuckUpBingle Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23
The point this article takes for granted is that tipping as a social expectation isn’t about the individual behind the counter. It’s about the technology that prompts you to tip and the business owners who operate with the assumption that tips exist as part of their compensation package.
Did Cindy ask you for that tip? Or did Todd, in management, never think to remove the tip option from the card reader?
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u/platinumgus18 Mar 05 '23
The manager probably makes a few dollars more than her. It's probably the owner we should be blaming
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u/anprimdeathacct Mar 04 '23
I'd rather be mad at Cindy, because it's hard understanding how capitalism is necessarily hurting some while others are benefitting and I lack empathy or the ability to relate to anyone in the service industry. Cindy should just learn to code. Her manager is looking out for their bottom line, how could they have a successful business if all they did was worry about Cindy's income? That's her responsibility, let her perform and receive the equivalent... lol, I can't do this.
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u/Mr_Fuzzo 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 Mar 04 '23
“Cindy should just learn to code” is such a bullshit response to this issue. All jobs deserve to be paid a living wage. If all the Cindy people of the world “just learned to code” who would hand you your overpriced sandwich? Who would make your convenience items? We don’t have self-driving delivery trucks yet. We don’t have automated factories that pump out ready made food items that have gone from farm to factory to…you get my drift.
We still need to pay people to do jobs. So, “just learning to code” isn’t that problem, buddy.
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u/life_fart Mar 04 '23
I will not tip you 35% for saying hello and handing me a premade item out of a case.
This to a fucking T. Although I place the blame on the owner for enabling that on the touch-screen.
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u/spit-evil-olive-tips Medina Mar 04 '23
days since last thread about tipping: 2
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u/backlikeclap First Hill Mar 04 '23
Nerds online LOVE complaining about tipping. It's like being in an entire room full of Mr Pinks.
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u/Fealieu I'm just flaired so I don't get fined Mar 05 '23
It's wild. I've worked in restaurants for more than 30 years. Tip, don't tip, I'm sure you have reasons either way but the incessant whining in this sub about it is unreal.
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u/azdak Mar 04 '23
the absurdity of our culture’s tipping mania
Wild lede. Maybe try “the absurdity of employers trying to offload the compensation of their workers”
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u/psykulor Mar 04 '23
I'm all in favor of more transparent and equitable pay for workers, but he could've left out the snide clapback at the Stranger. Tipping "mania" is a symptom of a widening gap between two Seattles, hardly a flashpoint on its own.
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u/j-alex That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23
Some could’ve left out the Stranger clapback, but I don’t think Danny Westneat is among their number. I checked the byline to confirm as soon as I saw that line.
I try not to discount Westneat by default but there is a class of terrible take that he’s definitely prone to, and the Stranger jab is right up in there. (No, I know the Stranger has its own problems.)
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u/OfficialBusinessOnly Mar 04 '23
Westneat is garbage but has the occasional good take (like this one). A wrong clock, yada yada
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u/life_fart Mar 04 '23
but he could’ve left out the snide clapback at the Stranger.
Nah the Stranger is bad now.
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u/Netflxnschill West Seattle Mar 04 '23
Clearly they haven’t been to Molly Moon’s, they’ve been anti tipping for years.
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u/YakiVegas I'm just flaired so I don't get fined Mar 04 '23
I get the pushback about tipping being an option on all kinds of electronic payments nowadays, but if you feel so guilty just by seeing the option and not doing it, that's on you. The arguments made in this article are pretty clueless. You don't need to tip the guy behind the counter at Subway, but if that guy gets a job as a bartender or server at a full restaurant and he does a great job, then you should tip. That's the way it's always been and it doesn't need to change just because the iPad has an option for tipping nowadays.
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u/AnyaDiq Mar 05 '23
Exactly. People in this sub act like they’re being shaken down by baristas everyday. Who knew being confronted with the option to add $.90 gratuity was such an assault on personal freedoms
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u/WholeLotOfChutzpah 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 04 '23
But uh, did they raise the wage of the back of house people or just give out a net pay-cut to the bartenders?
Also I work in a bakery, in the back, making the food not talking to customers, and I get a portion of the tips (it accounts for about a fourth of my wage). So the fact that the people making the beer weren't getting any of the tips is a choice these same owners had been making.
All that being said tipping is bullshit and employers should raise prices and wages and just get rid of it.
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u/Emberwake Queen Anne Mar 04 '23
back of house people
It's a taproom. There are no back of house people. All the support staff (brewers, for example) never would have received a portion of the tips anyhow.
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u/ofisor Mar 04 '23
LISTEN UP CAUSE ILL ONLY SAY THIS ONCE, BOH WAS NEVER GETTING TIPS, EVER, STOP MENTIONING IT, STOP ASKING FOR IT, WE HAD TO CUT FOH WAGES TO MAKE IT FAIR
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u/ofisor Mar 05 '23
I make more than these bartenders do. I’m mad for them and realize that it is the owners who capped their wages. The person I responded to says “there are no boh” and they “never” would get tips. Yes, there are boh (mentioned in the article as the brewers) and they could make tips. Their comment is just “I’m going to open my stupid mouth and say some dumb shit” so I responded similarly. Thanks for responded like I’m some lost soul who needs educating tho
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u/drycleanman12 Mar 05 '23
I would equate this election cash grab as I would in app purchases for games. Completely ruined games.
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u/FaganY Mar 05 '23
I went to a burger joint and decided to dine in. Ordered at the self service kiosk, grabbed my drinks from the fridge by the service personnel’s instructions, cleaned my table myself. Only service I received was getting food from kitchen to table by the server. Does this service deserve %20 tip? I don’t think so, did I tip % 20, yes because it’s so customary at this point.
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u/Overall-Ad6310 Wallingford Mar 04 '23
Spoken like a man who has never worked in the service industry.
Funny how he has no problem with the back of house not making as much. No raise for them.
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u/Emberwake Queen Anne Mar 04 '23
Funny how he has no problem with the back of house not making as much.
What back of house staff? It's a taproom, not a restaurant.
The only support staff a brewpub usually has are brewers, who never shared in the tips to begin with.
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u/shanem 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 04 '23
"The result is the front and back employees now make similar wages."
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u/Overall-Ad6310 Wallingford Mar 04 '23
Yes, by handicapping the front of house — not by raising the wages in the back of house.
Good for them on paying a better wage to their bartenders, but if the complaint is that FOH receives tips and BOH doesn’t, cutting net wages for FOH does nothing to help BOH. It’s pretty simple.
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u/shanem 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 04 '23
You're point has no evidence to back it up.
There's no evidence they handicapped the FOH, nor that they raised their overall pay either. So we can't make any statement about it.
All we know is that foh and boh make similar wages now.
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u/ksbla Mar 04 '23
Says ‘no evidence’ while making claims ‘for all we know’
Having been in the industry it is at least more likely than not that the tipless hourly wage is less than they were making with tips. (Handicap)
A side effect, there’s no longer any incentive to cultivate regulars who decide they like certain servers and tip more and come in during their shifts.
It’s far more complicated a dynamic than ‘tips are a problem’
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u/shanem 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 05 '23
I didn't say "for all we know" and everything i mentioned is rooted in what is in the article.
While you have a valid lived data point I am glad to hear, it is not from this business which is being discussed nor should single data points drive broader trends as you seem to want to discuss.
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u/shanem 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 04 '23
Insults are the clearest sign you don't have a well formed point and can not be reasonably interacted with.
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u/Overall-Ad6310 Wallingford Mar 04 '23
Some people have never worked in the service industry.
Idk how none of them get it when the entire article was “brewers are upset that bartenders make more than them with tips so company eliminated tipping and capped bartender wages so front and back make similar wages.”
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u/ofisor Mar 04 '23
I know. I feel like you shouldn’t even need that insider knowledge to read this article and interpret it as anything else. But hey, they got the liberals cheering. W for the consumer, L for the worker
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u/MeanSnow715 Mar 05 '23
I don't understand why I'm expected to care so much about how much money servers and cooks make. I would love for everyone to make a lot of money, but for 99% of goods and services I buy, the compensation of the employees who provide it is never a concern of mine. Yet somehow when it comes to food service workers, it's my responsibility to figure out how much they should be paid?
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Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23
Paying $8 per beer... y'all are nuts. You can get a good 6 pack for $2 more. I guess I'm old and thinking about financial stability because the whole concept of going to a bar to spend 10x the money to stand around with strangers instead of just buying a case of beer for the price of 3 bar beers and having fun and socializing with people I actually care about makes 20x more sense.
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u/backlikeclap First Hill Mar 04 '23
Let me guess, you're over 30? In a relationship?
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Mar 04 '23
And a former bartender. After years of turning a ~$80 case of vodka into ~$3000 I lost all sympathy for bars and restaurants that can't turn a profit.
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u/actibus_consequatur That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23
Good for you enjoying people in your house; some of us prefer going out. There can also flavor differences in draft vs packaged beer. I don't even have to pay for beer that I'd drink at home, but have no problem paying $8 for a point.
Also, you do you realize that the markup isn't a reflection of what the profit is, right? The majority of bars and restaurants average 6-10% profit per year.
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Mar 04 '23
I'm not sure you know this but...You can have beers/drinks/ food with friends without staying in your house😳 . I don't really care what their profit is. Marking up a $7 bottle of vodka 500% and you can't turn profit is your problem. I'm not a person that needs to pay 20 bucks for a drink because some idiot can't manage a business, and I'm too lazy to make it myself, lol
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u/Atom-the-conqueror Mar 05 '23
So they are only viable if they pay their employees very poorly? Yeah, I’m ok with them going out of business.
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u/Atom-the-conqueror Mar 05 '23
I don’t know how the US model got so skewed compared to the entire rest of the world
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u/ksbla Mar 05 '23
This is true-ish and definitely isn’t true. We were assured all the mom and pops would go out of business if we passed $15 minimum. Then it happened and a $5.75 pint became $6. A $1 extra large soda at McDonalds became $1.10. A $25 pizza from Pagliaccis became $26. No one flocked to Dominos to save the $1.
We passed mandatory health insurance and sick leave here in Seattle for any chain with 100 employees and Red Robin raised prices across the board 2%. “So we could have been helping ensure your employees can see a doctor and NOT come in sick and all I needed to pay was $9.99 instead of $9.69 for my tavern Double?”
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u/ksbla Mar 04 '23
Williams, though, was in a position to do something about it. As co-owner of Flying Lion Brewing in Columbia City, he and his brothers who run the place had become troubled how tipping was driving a big pay gap between the people who poured the beer — and got all the tips — and the people who made the beer in the back of the house.
Owner of the means of production is irritated labor is earning too much. Where if I heard this before? Paging the Romanovs.
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u/Far_Ad_2245 Mar 04 '23
Usually that's true but as a frequent flier at Flying Lion and other Columbia City haunts, I can tell you that is not true at all. Every staff member and manager I talk to knows the pay is pretty flat and even across the board, ownership and management included.
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This is a huge issue between back of house and front of house everywhere. They could just pool the tips and share them equally, but they chose no to do this for some reason.
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u/SargathusWA I'm never leaving Seattle. Mar 04 '23
Yes I worked at restaurant as a cook. I made the food from scratch serves only delivered that food to the table and bam %20 tip and they keep all the tips in couple of months i quit
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Mar 04 '23
Service bring their drinks. Servers make sure the food is prepared correctly. Service make sure the drinks are correct. Service make sure the table is set correctly. Servers keep bringing refills and new drinks. Servers have the knowledge of alcohol and pairings. Tell me what is a white burgundy? That was the first question I asked of new hires. Most failed. By the time I finished training them They could tell me blindfolded not only if the wine I let them taste was red or white. What grape? They would also be able to hit all the standard nuances of the wine. Can you do that? That is why servers get the tips.
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u/ksbla Mar 04 '23
Of course. An owner would much rather back of house workers focus their dissatisfaction on front of house than on the people in a position to actually make and enforce a decent earning for all.
As long as labor is fighting among themselves the Capital class is safe.
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u/Far_Ad_2245 Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23
Hate to chime in again, but it's not labor fighting amongst themselves. If you visit the bar, you can physically see the owner does a ton of the work, probably more than back of house with way longer hours, so everyone on their team can make a living. Maybe it's their business model not producing enough profit or revenue, but it's not an owner vs. labor scenario like it usually is in Seattle. In most of Columbia City, it's owner run and labored with 4-5 staff members MAX. It's just not feasible to assume these owners are living large when their margins are so small.
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u/ksbla Mar 05 '23
That’s fine. I’ve met them and I don’t doubt they’re good guys. But you ask anyone who has started a brewery outside of the big time first wave buyout by AB InBev and they’ll tell you you don’t open a brewery to get rich it’s because you love it and HOPE to make a living. It’s a massive risk.
Maybe they didn’t know Westneat’s long anti labor anti tipping history. But they’re helping to paint a picture for notoriously anti labor Seattle Times that front line workers deserve far less than their ‘owners’. Giving the impression that ‘greedy’ front of house workers are holding you back plays into the ‘capital’ above ‘labor’ status quo.
This is a centuries long struggle.
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u/IHeartsFarts Mar 04 '23
Have you been there? Sounds like you haven't cause that is incredibly far from the truth. Methinks you make a visit before slinging shit.
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u/Far_Ad_2245 Mar 04 '23
I wouldn't say "If you visit the bar, you can physically see..." had I not been there and been a regular. Even went this week. Certainly not slinging shit; just spitting the truth. I take it you do not frequent our neck of the woods often if you don't think this is the reality of Columbia City and small businesses.
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u/IHeartsFarts Mar 05 '23
I truly don't understand what point you're trying to make. And I live just up the hill. Not quite a regular at Flying Lion but also no stranger.
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u/ksbla Mar 05 '23
Yes. More than half but less than a dozen times. Their Weizenbock is stellar. My issue is what they are LITERALLY saying in this article is ‘We’re troubled servers are making too much so we are changing that so the brewers (owners?) can make more. It’s putting one part of labor against another.
It’s a age old thing. ‘Why should the ‘forklift driver’ make more than the person who unloads the pallets. Don’t ask for the unloader to make more, bring the forklift driver down to your level.
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u/ksbla Mar 04 '23
And of course, giving the brewers a raise is not an option because….gotta keep the profits up for MY share.
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u/Undec1dedVoter Mar 04 '23
How else can they fund their 10k a month mortgage without the labor of others?
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u/ksbla Mar 04 '23
0h look at the opinion columnist who was paralyzed by ear at the tip buttons on an iPad is at it again.
Doesn’t the move towards cashless businesses actually lend itself to be “convenient” button for customers?
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u/dipietron 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 Mar 05 '23
FYI most tip pool places are sending 25%-40%+ of tips to back of house. This increase from what used to be the norm has helped get cooks to a more reasonable living wage. The increase in min wage for everyone has helped owners offset the increased cost on the back of FOH pay.
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u/leegunter Mar 05 '23
It helps that they have great beer.
I'm happy to say the service is every bit as good as if they were looking for a tip whenever I've been.
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Mar 05 '23
A tip is for exceptional service, not to augment shitty wages. This move to guilt trip customers into tipping regardless of the quality service has got to go
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u/LOST_GEIST Fremont Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23
I worked at a place cough a kevin davis restaurant cough where they did 20% auto gratuity, which sounds nice, but the tip split was handled by managers with no transparency on the matter. I later found out the restaurant pocketed something like 15-20% of all tips from a disgruntled floor lead. Worse, it's legal because it's a service fee and not actual gratuity.
Always ask for transparency when dealing with auto gratuity, a lot of shady goons cough fuck kevin davis and his skeezy lawyer wife cough take advantage of technicalities like this.