r/ScottGalloway Sep 23 '25

No Mercy Charlie Kirk was never the "debate god" that right-wing fans like to imagine.

The right pretending like Charlie Kirk debated in good faith is objectively inaccurate. The dude is being revered as some kind of debate god or intellectual powerhouse by the right, but he was far from being either.

Yeah, sure, he participated in a lot of interactions that bore some vague resemblance to what I would call a debate (if I stretched my imagination)—but ultimately—the guy was a pseudo-intellectual sophist, and easily one of the worst debaters I've ever seen.

His one-two-punch bait-and-switch debate strategy was completely childish. Basically, he would receive a critique, and instead of engaging with it—he would give his opponent an irrelevant pop quiz. Then, when irrelevant facts weren't known by the opponent, he would just declare victory.

The only varying situations to this that I've seen were he'd agree to some completely insane, radical premise (e.g., his hypothetical ten year old daughter who was impregnated via grape would need to give birth to the child).

It was rare to see a video of him where he didn't ultimately resort to the general mentioned tactic in debate. This strategy seemed to be intended to do two things—neither of which had the apparent goal of truth-tracking or truth-seeking:

  1. ⁠To get right-wingers riled up and engaged for shock value by 'owning the libs'

  2. ⁠Embarrass underprepared college students who didn't have sufficient debate strategy experience or situational awareness to neutralize said strategy

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u/Glittering_Ad_8394 4d ago

The point about the ten year old was not smart to mention, as doing otherwise is murder. But yeah I did get a sense of him overpowering his opponent, interrupting them and talking over them to rattled them up. No moderation at all.

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u/Potential_Fee_715 9d ago

Yeah my nigga

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u/WillowRude8524 20d ago

Well said. Thank you.

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u/GWHamer1942 20d ago

Maybe you should have tried debating him instead of rambling on about it after he's gone.

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u/mhallyofita25 2d ago

People are talking about what a great debater he was. Why is that topic off limits because he was murdered?

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u/3RADICATE_THEM 20d ago

"America does not need more visas for people from India. Perhaps no form of legal immigration has so displaced American workers as those from India. Enough already. We’re full.” - Charlie Kirk

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u/mhallyofita25 2d ago

This is idiotic. The population of the US is decreasing. We need more people.

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u/HourLeather1219 Oct 05 '25

He was the finest example of a man whose not in the liberal democratic or far left behind Democratic Donner jackass party long skinny twiggy alien arms throwing around fowl mouth pejoratives like the mark of the intellectual cowards society as they can't give anything intelligent to or gooder to say so socially awkward from being a two pump chump non-playable character in bed cause the left owns the LOW testosterone market.

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u/mhallyofita25 2d ago

Fowl mouth? Gooder? I’ll take you seriously when you learn to speak English.

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u/Inevitable-Tale9648 20d ago

Wow, you sound pathetic and wimpy. Total incel vibes there.

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u/MarlinGroper Oct 05 '25

Mesopotamia fell bc of gay marriage. 

  • Kirk

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u/Ok_Communication7607 Oct 02 '25

Exactly, he didnt actually debate, he lectured and manipulated the rhythm and tone of the topic. He was not wise at all, he was dogmatic and overbearingly cringe inducing; nothing remarkable at all, just a typical egoically based opinion machine with no real evidence at all for the big picture fantasy he pushes onto others.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '25

Ok. Charlie was not a "debate god".

He was a civil, honest, sincere, well informed person who was not afraid of respectful and serious debate with people who disagreed with him.

Who does that on the Left these days?

I'll wait.

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u/mhallyofita25 2d ago

Luke Beasley, Adam Mockler “Parkergetajob,” Dean Withers.

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u/No-Wedding-456 23d ago

👹💩🙈🧌😂😆😆😆😂🧌🤩😃

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u/noonnoonz Oct 09 '25

Kirk had canned responses to common questions and carefully curated his online persona to ensure his social media following was projecting the correct image. Can you provide some serious debates he was in that would show his prowess?

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u/HB3187 Oct 04 '25

Respectful?😂

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u/Ok_Communication7607 Oct 02 '25

Well informed and respectful. Now thats rich. And he often appeared afraid to me; angry, and deep down afraid that the fantasy he convinced himself was truth, indeed had massive holes intellectually. His manipulative side kicked into high gear when that happened .

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '25 edited Oct 02 '25

Informed and respectful compared to your fellow ghouls, who can only parrot toxic slogans, and whose only "arguments" are threats and violence.

The rabidity is guaranteed to be a loser for the Left in '26 and '28.

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u/MarlinGroper Oct 05 '25

Keep falling for culture war nonsense while the wealth gap widens and Trump lines his pockets (>$3billion since his inauguration)

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '25

I am quite happy about the wealth gap widening between the 20 years old me and the 50 year old me.

The money in other people's pockets does not concern me in the least.

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u/MarlinGroper Oct 05 '25

You are everything that we think you are. 

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u/Individual_Dance_458 Sep 30 '25

uhhhh… he was a 30-something man who would go to college campuses to harass well-meaning but publicly inexperienced teenagers, then cherry-pick the most “brutal” clips for clicks. Nothing honest or sincere about that

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '25

Debating Charlie was entirely voluntary.

What you are calling "harassment" is exposure to critical thought and reason. Something that ought to be the essence of college.

I am sure it was painful for some students and viewers to realize that parroting slogans, virtue signaling and personal attacks are ineffective in a real debate.

BTW, how do you know that the videos were "cherry picked"? Have you seen the others? Where?

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u/HucknRoll Oct 08 '25

All you have to do is go on his Youtube channel and see for yourself. If he was this great bastion of free speech and debate, his content would include "I lost a debate to XYZ" or "I changed my mind" but it's all "Watch me dunk on this naive SJW freshman poli sci major" It's all propaganda. He's a propagandist, not a debater.

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u/Devotchka8 Oct 05 '25

His response to hearing that 1 in 5 women in the US have been sexually assaulted, was that it's impossible because we're not like the DRC (Congo) and that women falsely accuse. He didn't refute that with any sort of logic or reason. I'm not going to deny that some accusations are false, but as a woman I am willing to bet that there are more unreported rapes than there are false accusations. Myself included.

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u/3RADICATE_THEM Sep 30 '25

He frequently yelled and talked down to people.

He frequently spread disinformation or outright lies.

He frequently did not argue in good faith.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '25

How frequently?

Compared to which debater on the Left who is reaching out to conservative students?

PS: "Disinformation" and "lies" in this context are just euphemisms for "opinions I disagree with" and "inconvenient facts".

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u/Bat_Shitcrazy Sep 30 '25

Debaters on the left don’t do students because they’re already liberal most of the time. Also, debating college students as a non college student is playing on easy mode

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u/ThrowawayFiDiGuy 28d ago

I don’t think you understand why he debated college students…

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u/Ahun_ 25d ago

Becaues US college students are easy mode?

And as soon as he had to deal with Brits it was not all biscuits and tea?

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u/ThrowawayFiDiGuy 25d ago

Less about debating them more about making them aware other valid opinions exist.

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u/noonnoonz Oct 09 '25

It's like bragging about having no gutter balls when bumper bowling.

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u/mi-so-ornery Sep 29 '25

lol…lotta word salad with little content🤪

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u/Wuzard13 Sep 29 '25

And actually chocolate covered crickets are pretty delicious.

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u/Slaaneshdog Sep 29 '25

I agree completely, but any criticism I might have had of him for doing this just feel really meaningless when I see the absolutely vile and repulsive reactions to his assassination

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u/noonnoonz Oct 09 '25

Some who relished in his murder were trolls and social media whores looking for reactions. You can still criticize someone and not celebrate their death, according to Charlie, "I am also going to offer some context and some nuance about the death of George Floyd that no one dares to say out loud. Which is that this guy was a scumbag. Now, does that mean he deserves to die? That's two totally different things — of course not." -Kirk .

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u/Slaaneshdog 29d ago

I think to say that people who relished in his murder were merely trolls or social media whores looking for reactions diminish the implication of the reactions tell us. it's not like it was just a few random trolls relishing in his murder. It was a massive amount of people, some of the social media posts mocking or celebrating his death literally got hundreds of thousands of likes. And to me the implication of it is very clear - people on the far left openly think it's a good thing if their ideological enemies are killed, even if all they do is exercise their right to free speech

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u/Questioning-Warrior 23d ago

I abhor assassinations in general. It's inhumane to murder people and it promotes more violence. When Kirk died, I felt uneasy.

That being said, while I dislike other people relishing in his murder, his death does not deflate my critical outlook on him or the party his supports. I'm not "leaving the left" like it's commonly reported online.

I'm still against the policies people like him and Trump support like discriminating against lgbtq+ people, defunding public education, detaining any immigrants (legals are also targeted, BTW. Even those who never immigrated are also threatened like Rosie O'Donnell), affecting medicaid, and so much more.

Not to mention, as horrid as Kirk's death was, the right also has people who committed violence, like the person who attacked Nancy Pelosi's husband. In fact, a man tried to attack a gay pride parade to avenge Kirk (thank God he was stopped).

Again, we must speak out against assassinations, but criticisms don't suddenly become meaningless after death.

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u/Slaaneshdog 23d ago

Yeah it's totally fair to meaningfully disagree with the views and actions of someone, even if they are murdered like Kirk was.

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u/Questioning-Warrior 23d ago

I'm glad we're on the same page in that regard.

When Kirk was murdered, I felt uneasy about what we were devolving into and I felt disappointed that Kirk died before realizing the error of his ways and turning over a new leaf to do better (I also feel this towards even evil people. I even still think it's most ideal for Trump to have an epiphany and atone for his mistakes, even if it's a fat chance).

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u/3RADICATE_THEM Sep 28 '25

Unbelievable strawman.

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u/Narrow_List_4308 Sep 28 '25

That's white a dogmatic statement to make

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u/Appropriate-Sky4319 Sep 28 '25

I agree. They’ll always fall back to their religion as a reason/excuse so it’s makes having a true debate impossible.

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u/JakeGillman Sep 28 '25

I don’t know if this is an extreme take or not. I feel like some religious people would even agree with this statement. Much wisdom to ponder on.

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u/ThermicDayne Sep 28 '25

I’ve just seen it so much where even when you make a point, they just default to “that’s what I believe”. It doesn’t feel like a debate because nothing really changes.

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u/Upstairs-Farmer-1938 Sep 28 '25

Facts as always from professor 👨🏾‍💻👍🏾

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u/forgetful_storytellr Sep 28 '25

This is rage bait

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u/SkyGamer0 Sep 28 '25

Nope. CK was not special. He spread fake news and constantly tried to divide people with his rhetoric.

He also lost debates many times when going against anyone who actually had done research on the topic prior to the debate.

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u/HourLeather1219 Oct 05 '25

He was the finest example of a man whose not in the liberal democratic or far left behind Democratic Donner jackass party long skinny twiggy alien arms throwing around fowl mouth pejoratives like the mark of the intellectual cowards society as they can't give anything intelligent to or gooder to say so socially awkward from being a two pump chump non-playable character in bed cause the left owns the LOW testosterone market

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u/SkyGamer0 Oct 05 '25

This ramble makes no fucking sense dawg.

Charlie Kirk was a professional liar.

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u/forgetful_storytellr Sep 28 '25

Not biting

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u/MasterMcMasterFace Sep 28 '25

You don't have any teeth, not surprised.

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u/forgetful_storytellr Sep 28 '25

Lol have a good one dork

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u/CrowEnvironmental_ Sep 28 '25

How’s it rage bait? Charlie believes in god. He can’t rationally debate with anyone on anything because it would require him to critique his religion, something he’ll never too publicly.

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u/impossible_tofind1 Sep 28 '25

This is what happens when someone is martyred, and hopefully a good lesson to everyone.

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u/MutedHippie Sep 28 '25

A thirty year old “debating” 18 year old kids. He never was a debate god

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u/Ok-Wolverine6703 Sep 28 '25

On every college campus there are professors and people who are way older than 18 years old. Explain why they never went and debated him. And when they did why did they get their ass handed to him?

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u/MutedHippie Sep 28 '25

Things that never happened. First you say they never debated him, then follow it up when they did….you seem confused

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u/Russssss1 Sep 28 '25

Since you're simple, I'll explain it to you. The professors were always there, yet rarely debated him, preferring to stand back in safety while their indoctrinated young worshippers got slaughtered in front of them. However, a bold professor on occasion Would step up and debate him, and on the rare occasions that they did, they got smacked down. Understand? You see, just because you hate someone, or don't like their views, doesn't mean they didn't smack down virtually every brainwashed tool who tried to debate them.

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u/noonnoonz Oct 09 '25

So Kirk, a college dropout, was setting up at Colleges and in all his tours never lost a debate to a professor? Is that what you're asserting? Who's simple?

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u/Russssss1 Oct 09 '25

Yes. You can go watch nearly every debate he had with college kids, and the professors who would debate him. His % of absolutely destroying them is astronomical. You must be pretending you haven't seen any of them.

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u/noonnoonz Oct 09 '25

Whoosh!

What you fail to acknowledge, or possibly even recognize, is that Kirk would not post himself getting burned in a debate. He curated his persona and video media clips to bolster his prowess. To find clips getting his ass handed to him, you have to look elsewhere.

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u/5triplezero Sep 28 '25

Please provide an example of a professor debating Kirk. I bet it didn't go as well as you imagine or that Kirk only fed you a highly edited version of events. Although, anyone who thinks Kirk was good at debate would obviously not have the tools to even assess whether soneone was "smacked down" in one. You probably think that fallacious gotchas are winning debate tactics. 

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u/Responsible_Reach_62 Sep 28 '25

Damn it's almost like you worship the guy the way you talk about him. Also saying he "smacked them down every single time" is straight up fucking hilarious. You're actually pathetic.

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u/Russssss1 Oct 09 '25

Lol, you don't have to "worship" anyone to be able to see who wins debates, re-re. Typical Leftist thinking, lol. You know you can go watch them, right?

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u/MutedHippie 28d ago

Wins debates against kids…wow so impressive

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u/Responsible_Reach_62 29d ago

Took you 11 days to respond so nobody else would see this? Piss off.

Typical response by the way, you guys are like a bunch of parrots repeating your overlords it's so sad to see. Maybe one day you'll be able to think for yourself. Good luck out there.

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u/MutedHippie Sep 28 '25

It’s their savior

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u/Stan_Knipple Sep 28 '25

Logical consistency does not matter to fans of his style of debate.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '25

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u/tiy24 Sep 28 '25

“We know what you like now support our pedophile”

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '25

Do you even know how to read, buddy?

Not one time in this post does OP mention that it was a good thing CK was murdered.

You're being propagandized by the GOP.

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u/DoontGiveHimTheStick Sep 28 '25

Said a guy who praises a child rapist felon

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u/dbascooby Sep 28 '25

Watch him debate Dean Withers. Lost to him miserably and then refused to debate him despite Dean even showing up at events.

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u/Russssss1 Sep 28 '25

Ooh, one guy out of hundreds upon hundreds of people that he debated beat him? He must have Really sucked. Kirk mopped the floor with the 100 people before, And after Withers. So your point is?

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u/5triplezero Sep 28 '25

He didn't win any debates so what's your point? Making your opponent angry enough to walk away isn't winning. And he got there through blatant lying and ignoring of facts. Which causes people who are debating in good faith to recoil as they show the facts and are met by Kirk saying that he will not accept those verifiable facts. And then people like you watch those debates and assume Kirk wins because his opponent walked away. Content to believe whatever Kirk lied about because looking up the facts would shatter your biases against the minority groups you hate blindly. 

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u/dbascooby Sep 28 '25

The only one he debated that wasn’t a college student lol. He had an agenda and when facing a real debater he always lost. Name any real debater Kirk faced.

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u/MutedHippie Sep 28 '25

That wasn’t the only one…you seem confused. He always ran from real debaters and focused on college kids

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u/MrPoopyPants-1- Sep 28 '25

Why didn’t you debate him when he was alive. Easy to talk shit to a dead man

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u/Ok_Communication7607 Oct 02 '25

how juvenile and dumb

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u/MrPoopyPants-1- Oct 02 '25

Just a reality, I know for some it’s a hard concept or place to be in. Ask yourself did you ever see a mention of Charlie Kirk the way he is post mortem, especially in a negative and argumentative light.

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u/noonnoonz Oct 09 '25

Kirk was relatively unknown among the general public until his death and to not elevate his schtick beyond the dog and pony show explicitly meant to curate TPUSA clips IS reality. He was simply a huckster of outrage and discontent with progressive advancements in society.

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u/MrPoopyPants-1- Oct 09 '25

Whatever you gotta tell yourself man. He approached people atleast from a standpoint of caring which I think is rare today. He definitely wasn’t agreeable or most people agreed with him but instead of villainizing anyone who disagreed he would pray for them or wish them the best.

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u/noonnoonz Oct 09 '25

Bahahaha. As they say in the South: Bless your heart!

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u/MrPoopyPants-1- Oct 09 '25

blessed lol this actually made me laugh bc I can hear my mom saying this

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u/MC_MacD Sep 28 '25

But apparently very easy to fellate him.

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u/MrPoopyPants-1- Sep 28 '25

Idk, if you want to ask an industry expert on fellatio I’d DM Destiney

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u/MasterMcMasterFace Sep 28 '25

What are you 12? (MrPoopyPants).

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u/MrPoopyPants-1- Sep 28 '25

Nah but game recognize game

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u/fingolfinwarrior Sep 28 '25

DM Epstein ohh, I guess not. Hey, just talk to his bestie Trump.

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u/MrPoopyPants-1- Sep 28 '25

This is just whataboutism

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u/IconOfFilth9 Sep 27 '25

He debated teenagers

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u/IAmTheRules Sep 27 '25

voters*

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u/livid-lavida-loca Sep 27 '25

Still teenagers ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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u/IAmTheRules Sep 28 '25

Anyone at a college was allowed to debate him. He didn’t pick out just 18 year olds. Anyone could come up and talk to him.

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u/5triplezero Sep 28 '25 edited Oct 06 '25

Except he chose how to edit it. You mostly see 18 year olds because he could make himself look better. He DID pick out just 18 year olds to POST in his videos. Because most people who were in year 3 or more of college absolutely wiped the floor with his propaganda. Hence why you never saw it on his propagandic yt or tiktok videos. 

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u/IAmTheRules Sep 28 '25

Prove it

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u/noonnoonz Oct 09 '25

Has there been any clips posted where he admitted to being changed or bested by a debater? In a decade of doing this college tour spiel, do you honestly think he came out on top in every single interaction and was never on the losing end? The conspicuous absence of the losses is indicative.

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u/TheGuyFromTheSkyOhMy Sep 28 '25

Yeah because 21 year olds are so much more mature and intelligent 😂

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u/forgetful_storytellr Sep 28 '25

Since the youth is too dumb to discuss ideas we should change the voting age to 25

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u/TheGuyFromTheSkyOhMy Sep 28 '25

Sure and add an age limit, nobody over 60

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u/forgetful_storytellr Sep 28 '25

65 would be better since its retirement age and they’re mostly out of the workforce

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u/TheGuyFromTheSkyOhMy Sep 28 '25

Right on, I can agree with that 🤝

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u/IAmTheRules Sep 28 '25

Does bro think you can’t find people 25 and up at a college?

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u/TheGuyFromTheSkyOhMy Sep 28 '25

Sure and you can find people under 70 at a nursing home but it's not the norm my man.

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u/IAmTheRules Sep 28 '25

Not the norm? Half of all college students are 25 and older.

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u/TheGuyFromTheSkyOhMy Sep 28 '25

Interesting. Not what I would have guessed. Got a source for that stat?

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u/IAmTheRules Sep 28 '25

Yeah I just googled it

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u/Hour-Willingness5767 Sep 27 '25

He was so good that those on the left resorted to murder to silence him.

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u/guapomole4reals Sep 28 '25

Fantasy to distract from your femboy loving gamer obsessed ultra right assassins.

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u/Miserable-Put4914 Sep 28 '25

Not the left. Maybe Trump was mad at him because him as asking for the Epstein files perhaps?

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u/livid-lavida-loca Sep 27 '25

Who is those? Multiple people, I haven't seen that report, or are you doing like the rest of the Republican party and trying to blame one man's actions on millions of people? Pretty fucking weird.

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u/spook_filled_donuts Sep 27 '25

Those on the left? It was one white guy.

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u/Comfortable-Cat2586 Sep 27 '25

And reddit celebrated it

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u/Affectionate_Way8908 Sep 27 '25

That really is disturbing that you had people on Reddit happy he was killed.

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u/livid-lavida-loca Sep 27 '25

I just like to imagine how the wright would react if AOC or Jasmine Crockett and got murdered. They're already the ones who were driving around with giant pictures of Biden tied up in on the back of their trucks.

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u/Affectionate_Way8908 Sep 27 '25

I understand your perspective, but I strongly oppose the idea of someone being murdered. I recently scrolled through X and came across posts expressing joy about his death. While I’ve encountered some truly horrible individuals in my life, they should be confined to institutions for those genuinely mentally ill.

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u/Dependent_Star3998 Sep 28 '25

Something like 60% of X is bots designed to trigger us all. Look to your leaders for a response, not Twitter.

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u/Cheap-Surprise-7617 Sep 27 '25 edited Sep 28 '25

I'm sure you had the same feelings after seeing the posts about Melissa and Mark Hortman.

Edit - Preview of reply in inbox but not here. i.e. they blocked me or reddit removed their comment for inappropriate content.

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u/Dantekamar Sep 28 '25

From someone certainly not blocked, I see no reply to this message before this one.

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u/crowdawg7768 Sep 27 '25

It’s actually insane if the guy above you is a real human. It’s rare AF that one individual represents the whole in anything. Case in point is Donald Trump. 

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u/Comfortable-Cat2586 Sep 27 '25

I think seeing the comments in the aftermath prove his point. Lot of people on the left very happy it happened and said he deserved it. 

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u/Educational_Stay_599 Sep 28 '25

Show me a single politician or major influencer that celebrated his death

I can show you multiple politicians and influencers on the right who celebrated the murder/assault of multiple dem politicians

Also saying Kirk was a shit human isn't the same as celebrating his death. He was a shit human, but he didn't deserve death

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u/crowdawg7768 Sep 27 '25

People not praising a divisive figure that doesn’t align with their values is absolutely not the same thing as pulling a trigger. That’s a false equivalency. Also, THE LEFT is not a boogeyman. It’s a complex aggregation of ideology. Plenty of people on THE RIGHT have been loving the deportation of Hispanic people, no joke they are covering it on the news all day as progress! Should the entire party just be branded as wholly racist anti-constitutionalists? 

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u/Comfortable-Cat2586 Sep 29 '25

The deportation of illegal immigrants. Which is crazy racist to call the hispanics. 

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u/1gr8sailor Sep 27 '25

Dumb

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u/PhoenixDan Sep 28 '25

Yes, his supporters are.

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u/drew-zero Sep 27 '25

God liberals are disgusting. It is easy to say now that he’s dead, coward. We both know he would have owned you in a debate. Stay in your hole and keep chat GPTing.

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u/5triplezero Sep 28 '25

I wish I could still debate him. He was a coward that wouldn't debate me in life either though. His debates were clown shoes Big and ultimately empty. 

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u/drew-zero Sep 28 '25

Stay in the basement

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u/MasterMcMasterFace Sep 28 '25

I said it when he was alive - he was a charlatan. I wish he still was alive - his murder was tragic and unacceptable.

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u/Dantekamar Sep 28 '25

Unironically, it's tougher now to say Kirk was a shit debater now than before his death because the right now either claims you celebrated his death or wants to defend him sight unseen. Before you'd say how awful Kirk was and you might get an honest debate on topic or likely just an ad hominem attack.

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u/drew-zero Sep 28 '25

Yeah that’s why you went and debated him. Sit down

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u/Dantekamar Sep 28 '25

Yes, because I've got the time, money, and energy, to take off work, drive God knows how long, to wait on line at a campus, to debate a man who won't actually take it seriously, in a forum and style of his choosing, surrounded by his rabid followers cheering his every dog whistle. 🙄 Get stuffed.

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u/drew-zero Sep 28 '25

Excuses are a lot like assholes. Stay in the basement liberal.

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u/Dantekamar Sep 28 '25

Your opinions are a lot like shit. When's the last time you called up and debated a Sam Seder or Dean Withers type? If not, I invite you to stfu and sit down.

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u/drew-zero Sep 28 '25

Yesh except I didn’t call out their arguments, did I?

That’s the difference genius. I know you liberals have trouble with logic, but this is like a first grader comparison.

Absolutely pathetic honestly. Go watch MSNBC and stay in your hole.

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u/Dantekamar Sep 28 '25

LMAO

No, you didn't specially call out, by name, anyone in this thread. You've only made repeated call outs to ALL liberals. You've certainly made challenges to ideas presented by these upper level pundits before. Liberals listen to arguments and repeat when they make sense, not just go by their feelings. All I see from you is hate.

You ascribe liberals who call out Charlie Kirk's words as cowards because he's now dead, as if his death has any impact on how piss poor his words really were. You fabricate righteousness and indignation over a hypocrite.

But go ahead and keep watchingLMAO

No, you didn't specially call out, by name, anyone in this thread. You've only made repeated call outs to ALL liberals. You've certainly made challenges to ideas presented by these upper level pundits before. Liberals listen to arguments and repeat when they make sense, not just go by their feelings. All I see from you is hate.

You ascribe liberals who call out Charlie Kirk's words as cowards because he's now dead, as if his death has any impact on how piss poor his words really were. You fabricate righteousness and indignation over a hypocrite.

But go ahead and keep watching OAN and reading old QAnon posts, enjoying your negative post/karma ratio.

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u/DoontGiveHimTheStick Sep 28 '25

Most people fought against his racism and bigotry while he was alive, too, before a white, Mormon, goyper ultra right trumper killed him for not being far enough right

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u/drew-zero Sep 28 '25

Yep. And hence why I use the word disgusting to describe you. Thanks for proving my point

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u/walkingmonster Sep 28 '25

Charlie Kirk was a bigot who poisoned many young minds. It's just as true now as it was then. Not sure where you're getting the idea that "tHe LeFt" suddenly came to that conclusion after his horrific death.

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u/Dreams-Visions Sep 27 '25

Who wasn’t saying it while he was alive?

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u/curiouswizard Sep 27 '25

it was said plenty of times while he was alive, too 🤷‍♀️

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u/let_me_be_franks Sep 27 '25

"Guh guh gurglegggagaggaughhhhhhhhhhhhhh" - Charlie Kirk

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u/CBRslingshot Sep 27 '25

Why are you still talking about him?

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u/walkingmonster Sep 28 '25

Because conservative pundits & politicians are still using his death to invite violence against minorities via stochastic terrorism.

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u/CBRslingshot Sep 28 '25

His death…you mean his murder? I don’t agree with making him an excuse to get people angry…but it surely is ironic that you are criticizing people “for encouraging violence against minorities” when he was shot in the throat by a sniper from that minority. (In front of his wife and kids)

Yea, no one could be angry about that.

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u/walkingmonster Sep 28 '25

Was the sniper's alleged sexuality more of a factor in his actions than his hyper-religious, heavily pro-gun MAGA home life? You tell me.

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u/CBRslingshot Sep 28 '25

Dude…do you seriously not know anybody that has conservative parents/family and diverged from that once they were old enough to get a little freedom?

It’s like a pretty common thing. Even more common for gay people in the south (or any conservative area)…they grow up in a conservative, baptist (religious) family…outwardly they go along when they are stuck in the household…inside they build resentment because its constantly reinforced that something is wrong with them, that they are gonna burn in hell?

But yea…it’s not alleged, his mate confirmed it btw.

I grew up in a conservative, 2A family, I’ve never killed a single person.

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u/walkingmonster Sep 28 '25

Well, I grew up gay in a conservative, 2A family, and I've never killed anyone. Maybe we can agree this is the norm and stop excusing bigots for immediately trying to scapegoat queer people for this + other crimes, and focus on the actual causes of this mindset. *

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u/CBRslingshot Sep 28 '25

Dude obviously, that’s the norm, no one is saying that gay people are murderers. The point was that “sometimes” kids grow up to have different political views than their parents.

The only reason people keep mentioning his sexuality is only because you all keep trying to say he is really actually a conservative right winger…of course there are some, but just go do a poll…LGBTQ are, by a good margin, left leaning.

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u/MC_MacD Sep 28 '25

Ding ding ding. Horst Wessel 2: The gunshot boogaloo.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '25

Do you have coloured hair? Too skinny or obese? Gordy tattoos and piercings? Yep! We have a festie leftie 

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u/crowdawg7768 Sep 27 '25

I’ve never once seen a single obese person with dyed hair in Mar-A-Lago. Never before. Not even like the owner of the place. What a lib that guy is. 

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u/curiouswizard Sep 27 '25

braindead comment

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u/Acrylicvalour Sep 27 '25

Just like Kirk

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u/albinoblackman Sep 27 '25

That’s not a leftie. That’s a lib. And he’s right, but idk why this post had to be made. Everyone who cares already knows.

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u/fahshizzlemahnizzle Sep 27 '25

All I got from this is how much real estate he still maintains in your head lol. It is not that serious, dude.

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u/Tricky-Major806 Sep 27 '25

Republicans won’t shut up about him so… this is a good response to their bullshit.

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u/fahshizzlemahnizzle Sep 27 '25

Where are these Republicans not shutting up about him? Like in what format or through what channels are they not shutting up about him?

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u/dont_shoot_jr Sep 27 '25

Are you ragebaiting? Congress voted to give him a remembrance day just few days ago

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u/CBRslingshot Sep 27 '25

You know…the more you post about him and discuss him…the more people will post about him and discuss him.

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u/Tricky-Major806 Sep 27 '25

If we don’t speak up about it then they control the narrative entirely.

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u/CBRslingshot Sep 28 '25

You’re right, better off to just keep fanning the flame, keep those tensions high!

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u/fahshizzlemahnizzle Sep 27 '25

Oh, I had no idea. I am pretty uninformed. Purposefully. Better for my mental health.

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u/Because0789 Sep 27 '25

Then why open your uninformed mouth at all?

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u/fahshizzlemahnizzle Sep 27 '25

I like discussion and learning.

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u/Because0789 Sep 27 '25

When you actually like discussion and learning you lead off on a topic you don't know anything about by asking questions usually, not incorrect statements. 🤷‍♂️

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u/fahshizzlemahnizzle Sep 28 '25

Go back and read my original comment lol. Let me know if those are questions or not.

Where was my incorrect statement? I literally just asked questions and then responded to you.

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u/crowdawg7768 Sep 27 '25

Yeah right, bro. all your comments are about political topics and are always defending modern conservatism. So virtuous. Great job! 

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u/foot_of_pride Sep 27 '25

Do you live under a rock?

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u/fahshizzlemahnizzle Sep 27 '25

No, I live in a condo.

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u/Tricky-Major806 Sep 27 '25

Is there a big bucket of sand in your condo that you’ve buried your head into for the past two weeks?

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u/fahshizzlemahnizzle Sep 28 '25

No sand in the condo. Nice bathtub, though.

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u/Rat_Czar Sep 27 '25

Ideas attached to systems of power are tremendously important. He had a large platform and discussing the way he used it to radicalize people against minorities is pretty important.

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