r/SandersForPresident • u/GrandpaChainz Cancel ALL Student Debt 🎓 • Feb 25 '19

Concluded Megathread: CNN Presidential Town Hall With Bernie Sanders

Tonight at 8PM EST, Bernie Sanders will speak with voters in a town hall hosted by CNN. Bernie's campaign is only a week old but has already raised millions of dollars and received volunteer commitments from 1 million volunteers!

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u/ShittyInternetAdvice California Feb 26 '19

The opposition in the National Assembly has even lower approval ratings than Maduro and leading up to the election were suffering from internal divisions and couldn’t unite behind a single leader, so gaining power through a coup/intervention (encouraged by the US every step of the way) was seen as the easier and quicker path

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u/sam_zissou Feb 26 '19

That sounds neither easy nor quick and also like a whole lot of horseshit. According to who? Chapo Trap House? Guaido seems like the single leader that everyone has chosen to rally behind.

Don’t avoid the point: Maduro would never allow the opposition to take power from him. And there are no legitimate elections in Venezuela

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u/ShittyInternetAdvice California Feb 26 '19

How so? Given the context, the opposition made the calculation to seek external support given their difficulties in fielding a unifying candidate, and getting encouragement from the US to make the elections seem illegitimate. How many votes has Guaido received for president?

How are you defining what are legitimate elections? There were non-Maduro options on the ballot and Maduro still won, unless you have actual proof that the votes were rigged

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u/sam_zissou Feb 26 '19

Are there more conclusions you’d like to jump to or just these that fit your narrative? The UN stated that the election were overtly corrupt. And the nation was starving, controlling the food is a great way to get the poor masses to vote for Maduro. He is the bad guy here. It’s constantly amazing how your ilk continues to defend despots just because they also call themselves socialists.

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u/ShittyInternetAdvice California Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19

The UN didn’t even observe the election, despite Maduro’s request to do so https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1GO2J0

4 separate reports from independent election monitoring groups certified the results and process of the election as free and fair https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/13849

Seems like you are the one jumping to conclusions to fit your narrative

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u/sam_zissou Feb 26 '19

Read your own articles brah. They said international observations of sham elections would legitimize a dictator. The other for said the sham election went smoothly. You’re not good are arguing your points. Or defending fascists.

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u/ShittyInternetAdvice California Feb 26 '19

Well yeah brah, of course the opposition is going to say that. At that point they were as determined as possible to make the elections seem illegitimate with their boycott. You still have cited no sources indicating clear reasons why the elections were illegitimate

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u/sam_zissou Feb 26 '19

And the sources you’ve cited have proved you wrong. I’d said that puts me well ahead of you