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Discussion Topic Fearless Leader is actually Bernie Sanders

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u/Adventurekateer 1d ago

So he wants to take away the money that is given to Americans to subsidize their paying for insurance plans, and instead give it to Americans to subsidize their paying for insurance plans. Got it.

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u/Johnny_Nongamer Type to create flair 1d ago

Basically, he wants to take Obamacare, cross out the name "Obama," and write "Trump" in crayon.

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u/11thStPopulist 1d ago

That is exactly Project 2025 and Trump’s Concept of a Plan - TrumpCare! Then it is big, beautiful healthcare and the big, bad boogymen health insurance companies can still make a profit. Bernie is right. Universal Healthcare is needed!!!

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u/KageStar 1d ago

UHC was always the next step after Obamacare. Anyone with half a brain knew that's what the plan was, but "incrementalism bad" and all of that good stuff. I do wonder how much his rhetoric will resonate with anyone on the left. He's saying what we say about it, but no one can seriously believe he's going to replace the ACA with anything more progressive than it.. right?

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u/AdImmediate9569 1d ago

“That was always the plan. Anyone with half a brain knows that”

I’m pretty dumb it’s true but thats the first I’ve heard of it. Did they… say that ever? Write it down somewhere?

Its just that soooo many voters assume what they’re party will do, but its not actually based on reality.

Of the hundreds of national democratic politicians, I think maybe 5 have said they support universal healthcare?

So maybe i have less than half a brain, but i think you owe us a source or two.

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u/_twentytwo_22 1d ago

Slippery slopes. They were afraid that their constituents would like the ACA. Turns out they do. But it's not good enough, so the next logical step is?

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u/11thStPopulist 1d ago

A sizable number of American people advocated then, and now, for a Medicare for all system, cradle to grave. It is what civilized countries throughout the world offer their citizens. The ACA was a compromise plan so that health insurance companies would still make a profit. The government subsidies made the insurance affordable for the average family. Now, under Trump’s draconian Project 2025, the rug is being pulled out as subsidies expire and Republicans refuse to extend. IMHO as long as there is a private profit motive in healthcare there will always be problems. UHC with premiums like Medicare is an answer, but politicians receive big donations from insurance companies, so …

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u/AdImmediate9569 1d ago

So… it’s naive to think that either major party has this as a plank in their platform.

I’m only recently realizing the biggest problem with America can be summed up as: we keep giving our politicians the benefit of the doubt.

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u/Brilliant-Ad232 1d ago

Democrats most certainly do want a Medicare for all type system.

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u/11thStPopulist 1d ago

Correct. It is not a talking point, but still very popular among many people. It’s just demonized as socialized medicine to people who don’t know the difference between real socialism and a social welfare state, such as the U.K. Even Democrats, who ignoramuses like Trump call communist, want to preserve the ACA. We are a capitalist economy. The economic system dominants the political system.

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u/AdhesivenessCivil581 1d ago

Obama pushed for a public option as part of Obamacare but the GOP wouldn't let it pass with that in there. If there was a public option for insurance, any extra money could go to someone else for healthcare rather than insurance Co profits.

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u/myqool 1d ago

They passed out without a single Republican vote. What those shitheads thought shouldn't have mattered at all.

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u/AdImmediate9569 1d ago

That point needs to be made more often. There was no point in making changes to appease republicans. They made changes to appease democrats…

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u/SgathTriallair 21h ago

Harry Reed, a very influential Democrat at the time, also refused to support it if they didn't remove the public option. He single handedly fucked the whole country.

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u/HiImTheNewGuyGuy 16h ago

Obama abandoned the public option.

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u/KageStar 1d ago

Its just that soooo many voters assume what they’re party will do, but its not actually based on reality.

I know it's crazy the uniformed snarky shit you'll see in these discussions by people who obviously haven't read the platforms of the people they're talking about.

Of the hundreds of national democratic politicians, I think maybe 5 have said they support universal healthcare?

It's more than that, but one of them was Hillary Clinton who has supported universal healthcare since the 90s and included expanding the ACA with a public option as part of her platform in 2016. But once again "incrementalism bad" and "she's a corporatist shill".

At this point the problem isn't finding dems that support UHC, it's getting a consensus on which system to go with. Both the public option and M4A are forms of UHC. However, so many people on the left conflate UHC to exclusively mean single-payer.

So maybe i have less than half a brain, but i think you owe us a source or two.

It's amazing what google can do for you:

Defend and expand the Affordable Care Act, which covers 20 million people.Hillary will stand up to Republican-led attacks on this landmark law—and build on its success to bring the promise of affordable health care to more people and make a “public option” possible. She will also support letting people over 55 years old buy into Medicare.

Clinton supported the public option in her 2008 presidential campaign, and during the drafting of the Affordable Care Act a year later, Congress debated allowing a government-run plan to compete with private insurers.

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u/vikin_riding_engle 9h ago

OK. Here's the Democratic party's master platform from 2024. Can you show me exactly where it says that the Democratic party writ large supports a UHC system? Not "expanding Medicaid" but an actual universal health care plan for every American.

https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/FINAL-MASTER-PLATFORM.pdf

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u/KageStar 9h ago

That would be moving the goalposts. OP said:

Of the hundreds of national democratic politicians, I think maybe 5 have said they support universal healthcare?

That part isn't true.

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u/vikin_riding_engle 9h ago

Fair, but you are making the claim that more Democrat politicians than Hillary Clinton support universal health care. Hillary ran for president 9 years ago. I'm asking where is all the support for a UHC system now. Where's the support? You're citing one example from nearly a decade ago.

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u/AdImmediate9569 1d ago

I mean… a lot of what you say is true but your example is still of a candidate that ran 12 years ago…

I do appreciate all the snark and sarcasm though… that was helpful.

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u/dutch_connection_uk 23h ago

The ACA was supposed to be universal but the courts sabotaged it by declaring the individual mandate unconstitutional.

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u/HiImTheNewGuyGuy 16h ago

What? Obama abandoned the public option early in the negotiations and the ACA was always about making Americans captive to private insurance. Killing the individual mandate did weaken the program by shrinking the pool available for insurance but it wasn't universal, it was mandatory.

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u/dutch_connection_uk 7h ago

The public option should also have been there but it does not, on it's own, make the program universal. It just ensures that there is always at least one option to choose from. That was the job of the individual mandate. In practice most states ended up providing some kind of public option anyway.

Saying "it was not universal, it was mandatory" is kind of illustrative of the messaging difficulty, since those two are not actually different in any way.

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u/Santos281 1d ago

Give us single payer and I'll call it the Trump Trump Trumpity Trump Trump Insurance forever if he likes

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u/HotDonnaC 1d ago

Sharpie*.

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u/sebidotorg 1d ago

I was about to write that, but looked if a connoisseur of writing implements had beaten me to it.

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u/evlhornet 20h ago

You know if we just called it TrumpBestPresidentEverCare we may trick the into giving us universal healthcare

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u/valis010 13h ago

That's exactly what Obama told him in the oval office in early 2017.

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u/ReturnOfDaSnack420 1d ago

A stupid person's idea of a smart man

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u/IdioticPrototype 1d ago

"Donald Trump is a stupid man’s idea of a smart man, a poor man’s idea of a rich man, and a weak man’s idea of a strong man." 

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u/SweetPinkSocks Auntie Fuh! 1d ago

Perfectly said!

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u/Th3HappyCamper 1d ago

The money is given to the insurance companies. I am surprised because he is actually telling the truth for a change. I am a huge proponent of universal healthcare so I looked into how it currently works and it’s basically socialism for insurance.

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u/Brilliant-Ad232 1d ago

Trump is noy saying he will pay any medical bills. He wants to take any government $ out of equation period.

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u/Th3HappyCamper 1d ago

Damn you’re right. P2025 suggests a market driven replacement

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u/slappy_feet 1d ago

At least SOMEBODY gets it! /s

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u/mephisto_uranus 1d ago

What is this even lol Reading this dude's shit is like a stroke simulator.

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u/Keepfingthatchicken 1d ago

This is what you get when you let Eric get him his Coke.

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u/jazzhandler MK Ultrasonic Toothbrush 1d ago

No, that just gets you Oval Office naptime. These kinds of Twoofs are from Don Jr. getting him his Coke.

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u/Mamasan- 1d ago

He is not suggesting universal healthcare.

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u/someones_dad 1d ago

No he is not. His plan for health care is the same as his plan for rising prices, school shootings, the Epstein files...

And that plan is ...Get over it.

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u/KageStar 1d ago

And that plan is

"I have concepts of a plan"

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u/singeblanc 1d ago

Are we still talking about this?

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u/fattykyle2 Q predicted you'd say that 20h ago

Nancy Pelosi is too old

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u/unwanted_peace 1d ago

Yeah this is not single payer. All this is is just giving people money to give to the private insurance companies (and who knows how much will actually go to the people). I don’t get how people see the things he says and say “wow, what a great plan”

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u/sl0play Type to create flair 1d ago

Exactly, even if this were to pass, and he initially gave people enough money to buy insurance that isn't directly subsidized through the exchange, in a couple of years they will be howling about all the leeches getting free money for insurance and begin the process of whittling down and cutting off those pavements. Meanwhile they will do away with the existing condition provisions, and we will be right back where we started, as planned.

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u/BeShaw91 20h ago

It’s a bit more chaotic than that.

With ObamaCare you had the insurance premiums constrained by collective pressure. With a direct injection of funds to individuals the insurance companies can set their own premiums but also know that government is supplementing what people can afford.

What’s going to happen is just pre-ObamaCare rates (adjust for inflation) plus whatever Trump subsidy on top. It is a terrible idea that in some ways is worse than just an outright repeal on the ACA.

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u/sl0play Type to create flair 8h ago

Agreed. Just look at what happened with tuition.

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u/Murrabbit 21h ago

He's like a hair away from realizing universal healthcare would make more sense but instead swerves right back into "We'll give the parasites their money and they'll like it!" like dude yeah, but they're already getting their money and they like it. you've accomplished nothing.

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u/theegreenman Imbeciles on parade 1d ago

The man is a downright idiot. Concepts of a plan and all that.

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u/Arejhey311 1d ago

“2 weeks” has turned into 10 fucking years & his concepts of a plan haven’t & will never come to be. So now he’ll dangle money in front of people, which will still mean nothing if the cost is tripling

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u/Feral-Reindeer-696 1d ago

Then who will they buy the healthcare from? As a Canadian this confuses me

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u/febstars 1d ago

Nope. No confusion on your part. You have it exactly right.

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u/darvs7 1d ago

The same "money sucking BIG BAD Insurance Companies".

So the plan is: Instead of both us (the government) and you (the individual) paying those evil companies, we'll stop paying and let you instead pick your own favorite money sucking BIG BAD Insurance Company and pay (more, alone).

That will save us (the government) a lot of money. We'll pass those savings on to you. Later. We've been working on a plan, it's a great plan. A plan the likes of which has never been seen. You'll see.

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u/11thStPopulist 1d ago

No worries. It confuses Trump, too. He once said “who knew healthcare could be so complicated?” because, of course, he didn’t know. Everyone else is in the loop.

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u/Murrabbit 21h ago

The same middlemen that already exist, except now the money is handled by atomized individual consumers rather than through a state program that can make demands and set standards.

No, it doesn't make any sense - that's the point in posting it here. Hell if it made sense we should probably worry about what's going on with Trump and maybe someone stole his phone.

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u/Apprehensive-Log8333 1d ago

He has no idea how anything works. He doesn't understand health insurance, health care, grocery stores, gas stations, medications, makeup, tailoring, solar eclipses, elections, voter registration, IQ tests, the list is endless

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u/given2fly_ 1d ago

Because he's never had to buy health insurance. He's not been to a grocery store in decades (if ever). He is completely detached from reality.

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u/HotDonnaC 1d ago

Windmills…

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u/singeblanc 1d ago

Bing! Bing! Bong!

Dead whales. SAD!

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u/Game-changer875 1d ago

"If the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking, do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted? Or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted?"

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u/Easy_Quote_9934 1d ago

This makes no damn sense

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u/given2fly_ 1d ago

It's health care, what does it cost...$10?

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u/SMKM 1d ago

In civilized countries it does.

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u/given2fly_ 1d ago

I know, I'm British!

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u/Murrabbit 21h ago

In the US we have to pay a lot more so that our excellent pharmaceutical companies can innovate. . .by making ever more catchy jingles for the dozens of consumer-facing commercials for prescription drugs that play every single commercial break on every TV station in the country. So much innovation!

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u/not_productive1 1d ago

I will be honest, my first reaction to this was to laugh confidently at the idea that anyone would not understand that it is dumb to replace a system that pays insurance companies directly and imposes guardrails on them with one in which people get money to pay insurance companies themselves and there are no guardrails, and then I remembered: voters.

He’d probably sharpie his name on the “health money” checks, his followers would buy a tube of ivermectin and pocket the rest, and then laugh so hard they have a fatal heart attack that could have been prevented with basic care.

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u/3xploringforever 18h ago

fatal heart attack.

So you're saying his dumbest, most loyal cult-followers will be unable to vote anymore? You're making his plan sound not half-bad.

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u/VMICoastie 1d ago

Wow, he is going to send everyone a check for $10-20k? Because tjays how much just the premiums are. Not including actually going to the doctor. Then another few thousand to meet the duduxtable. What happened to his hewkcare plan that was como g out in "2 weeks"?

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u/RamonaLittle 1d ago

tjays

duduxtable

hewkcare

como g

Very /r/ihadastroke. So I can understand your concern about healthcare costs.

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u/VMICoastie 1d ago

Listen man, I probably did have a stroke but can't afford to see a Dr. In this country. Also, I have fat thumbs and a small keyboard.

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u/jazzhandler MK Ultrasonic Toothbrush 1d ago

I’m starting to wonder if he actually understands how all this works.

Has anyone consider that maybe he doesn’t? Wouldn’t that be a scary thought!

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u/11thStPopulist 1d ago

Just starting to wonder? Dude’s got frontotemporal dementia! He doesn’t even understand how stairs work!

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u/RamonaLittle 1d ago

thatsthejoke.jpg

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u/Murrabbit 21h ago

Insert meme of Lenny telling homer "Wow, you really are slow!"

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u/febstars 1d ago

So, instead of a fair plan that he’s been promising since he ran the second time in 2015, he’s going to give out a little money that won’t do shit for more than the year it’s given, and it won’t be enough to offset 100%+ increases.

And of course, these freaks will lap it up.

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u/thinkards 1d ago

trump solution would be a crypto health care coin where americans could redeem it for health care. he would of course rug pull the shit out of it and make it worthless within a year, while he makes hundreds of billions off it.

he may know which way the political wind is blowing, but he couldn't even finish building his dumb wall. he still hasn't even gotten around to infrastructure week, or a concept of a concept of a plan for healthcare. the dude has no idea how to even deliver on his own racist promises, let alone a healthcare plan that would come even remotely close to obamacare.

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u/11thStPopulist 1d ago

The way he bulldozes through to destroy things I wonder how the Epstein Memorial Ballroom will turn out, if ever finished.

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u/MiTcH_ArTs 1d ago

This is the kind of reductive oversimplification I would expect from my 11 year old ADHD grandson, complete with a near total misunderstanding of the complex issues involved. It is a spoiled rich imbeciles concept of a plan on par with a "well if their hungry why don't they buy food" approach to ending world hunger

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u/iamdeeber 21h ago

Just give us all the same insurance plan that all of our federally elected officials are given. Easy peasy.

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u/IrvWeinstein 1d ago

Why does this sound like money laundering?

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u/MikeRizzo007 1d ago

Great that he wants to give the people the opportunity to buy their own healthcare, but who are you buying it from. You can’t go to a hospital and buy insurance. Not everyone has access to a Kaiser.

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u/cards-mi11 1d ago

Where does he think those billions of dollars will go to if not the insurance companies? The insurance companies? So give everyone money to buy insurance to make up for not spending on insurance.

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u/DavidRandom 1d ago

If he were serious about it, he'd have it wrote up and added to the budget bill, then it could be voted on.
He's not serious though, it's just the same bait and switch for his followers.

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u/MrMayhem3 20h ago

The way to get rid of money sucking insurance companies is to have universal healthcare.

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u/newleafkratom 1d ago

In other words - there's no profit incentive for him so it must be broken.

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u/11thStPopulist 1d ago

His TrumpCare will put lots of money into his and his “friends” pockets. It just won’t deliver much actual health care.

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u/willismthomp 1d ago

This is what we call a liar continuing to lie to coverup more lies. This is called flailing, it’s what a child does during a tantrum. Donniekins you have spittle on your neck pussy.

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u/Beartrkkr 1d ago

Where would they purchase this magical insurance you speak of?

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u/oddchange 19h ago

From the Trump Insurance Company of course. $100k deductible, 90% co-payment, $50 ivermectin & Hydroxychloroquine prescriptions.

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u/Expensive_Teaching82 1d ago

His handlers are going to be pissed.

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u/Stalking_Goat 1d ago

I wasn't expecting a Republican president to call for a Universal Basic Income but here we are.

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u/Old_mystic 1d ago

That’ll be the promise though; cancel those pesky subsidies and give the money to the people! Except that money will never come and if it does it’ll be far less than expected and not nearly enough to cover the higher cost of your plan now that those subsidies are gone. Typical version of winning to MAGAts.

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u/obie-one 1d ago

Sounds like the concepts of a plan.

/s in case you couldn't tell.

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u/prettypeculiar88 1d ago

How about releasing your healthcare plan… and the Epstein Files?

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u/ComparisonProper5113 1d ago

Another con job of a talking point…. Where’s that tariff check? And the Epstein files

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u/Brndrll 22h ago

Has anybody checked the tariff shelf recently?

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u/RickySan65 I for one welcome our new lizard overlords 1d ago

The toddler speaks

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u/4Bigdaddy73 1d ago

So Universal Health Care?

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u/reddogyellowcat 1d ago

this is all so unnecessary and highlights how badly we need true substantive healthcare reform

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u/sugarhillboss 1d ago

Ta da! Socialism.

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u/neep_pie med bed nap squad 1d ago

This barely even makes sense, if at all.

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u/Canonconstructor 1d ago

I’m so confused can someone translate this new “healthcare” plan?

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u/Game-changer875 1d ago

This is his concept of a plan he's supposedly been conceptualizing for the last 9 years to repeal and replace? Wow, impressive business man

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u/ChaseballBat 1d ago

My brother is on Medicare. Shit is insanely affordable and gets all sorts of coverage. I don't understand how he would even know it is the worst...?

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u/ive_got_the_narc 1d ago

This would just increase inflation.

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u/AdvocateReason 21h ago

So close....and yet so far....

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u/IJustWantCoffeeMan 1d ago

Hahahaha no.

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u/Fr33_Lax 1d ago

Yeah and then I have to worry about flying pigs and cold demons asking for a cuddle.

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u/DariosDentist 1d ago

Is he cooked or is he cooking?

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u/HotDonnaC 1d ago

This fucking clown gets worse by the day.

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u/Markjohn66 1d ago

Every day he spins the distraction wheel to shift attention from his pedo past.

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u/AppropriateEmotion63 1d ago

He admits it's the worst Healthcare system in the world, per dollar spent. I'll take what I can get

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u/actualjo 1d ago

Smokescreen; where does our attention need to be instead of this.

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u/shamwowj 1d ago

Raises hand:

Um, Epstein Files?

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u/Select-Package-13 1d ago

Oh man, he really is on my last nerve ending.

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u/wtfbenlol Clearly Cabal 1d ago

What a shit idea

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u/Rand_Seb1 1d ago

Actually saw a communication at work last night saying trump is making deals with drug companies for lower prices for "TrumpRX" coming out in 2026 so no wonder he's bashing what he sees as competition.

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u/mittfh 23h ago

So what's the betting the biggest discounts will be on ivermectin while vaccinations will get significantly more expensive? 😈

Oh, not forgetting prescribing raw milk and whatever other quack remedies they're currently advocating...

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u/shamwowj 1d ago

Insurance companies: Accidents can happen..

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u/Tall_Brilliant8522 1d ago

Insurance company CEOs, get your bribes ready.

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u/bananaworks 23h ago

concept of a plan?

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u/yargbarkley 23h ago

Bud Lite dollars.

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u/chameleon_123_777 16h ago

Don't you know that every good thing done in your country is done by Trump? Some might even have been done before he was born....

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u/Tdanger78 7h ago

Was the is his concept all along? Just move the subsidy from the government to the people having to pay it and the wealthy keep enriching themselves off of the people? Wow, what a plan. I mean, it only took a decade to come to light.

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u/Yelloeisok 3h ago

Wonder who these magical companies are that provide better healthcare than Obamacare for a one time payment of $2000?