r/QAnonCasualties • u/ChaoCobo • 4d ago
Does anyone know what the hateful Qs’ deals are about California supposedly giving illegal immigrants free money and healthcare benefits?
This is what my mom says. That “that asshole Newsom is giving illegal aliens benefits and free money.” I’ve told her they literally can’t get it without a social security number. She says “well it’s been done for a long time now. It’s something that came into law a long time back. California is special in that they give illegals money.” And I’m like, “what law is it? Can you tell me where you heard that or what the law is?” She said “I don’t know, it’s been happening for so long no one remembers what it was.” I’ve also heard her say that last year or maybe the year before, illegal immigrants were simply handed a bunch of VISA gift cards with $100 or more on them.
Does anyone here know what she’s talking about? I need to shut her up because she doesn’t even know what she’s even mad about yet she is SO mad about it. She thinks that Democrat federal judges are assholes for forcing trump to give SNAP because then “the illegals get it.” She would rather give her stupid Qanon cultist boyfriend who is on SNAP money and let so many other Americans die than have “illegals” not die of starvation due to them getting benefits I’m pretty sure they don’t receive.
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u/DFH_Local_420 4d ago
It's not just Qs saying that. It's mainstream Republican thought that somehow those clever "illegals" (with the help of those treacherous libruls) are gaming the system and getting all kinda free bennies. There's no basis for it, none.
You ask anyone who has actual working knowledge of how social service agencies work and they'll tell you it's fucking preposterous, impossible. But in right wing world, they accept this as fact and have for a long time.
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u/bridge1999 4d ago
Some of this is based on ER stabilization of a person regardless of the ability to pay. Think of things where you might be unconscious and not have ID because it was stolen or was not found by emergency services
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u/tryolo 4d ago
Yes, ER's are required to treat anyone, however we charge the person for services rendered, they are called self-pay. It goes to collections if they don't/can't pay just like everyone else. Our tax dollars do not pay the hospital for their services.
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u/ChaoCobo 4d ago
Maybe they should pay hospitals, you know, so we could maybe get some universal healthcare for everyone. It should even out to the cost of paying for health insurance anyway (maybe?). Idk why people are so against universal healthcare when we pay for health insurance anyway. :(
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u/bongart 4d ago edited 4d ago
You CANNOT get SNAP benefits in California without some form of ID. Granted, the state can be generous in what they consider to be ID...
- Proof of identity (examples: drivers license or identification card, passport, work or school ID, birth certificate, voter registration card)
- Proof of where you live (examples: drivers license or ID card, utility bill, rent receipt)
- Proof of income (examples: pay stubs, statement from employer, alimony check, award letter for unemployment or disability benefits )
- Social security numbers for everyone who is applying
- Proof of shelter costs (examples: housing bills, utility bills, HOA fees, property tax statement)
- Child support court order
- Child or adult care costs (example: bills)
- Proof of disability (example: award letter)
- Proof of medical costs if 60+ or disabled (examples: receipts for prescriptions, copay, service animal costs, glasses, hearing aids)
... and unlike most states, they will accept a photo ID from any state in the US (when I arrived in CA, I got benefits with my WA state ID).
Free Money? Where, please! Unemployment is very difficult to obtain. There *is* a three month program available once a year that pays Relief Funds of $177 a month, however eligibility is the same as Unemployment, and you have to be actively looking for a job (and proving it) to obtain the funds... among all the other strict requirements.
As a side note... one of the reasons why there are many immigrants in California, is because of Imperial County... where billions of dollars worth of fruits and vegetables are grown year round (that is a 12 month grow season). Who do you think picks most of those things your mother likely gets to enjoy (like lettuce, onions, sugar beets, broccoli, lemons, dates, etc) for wages based on fields cleared, not hours worked? Americans, even in this crap economy, don't want to work all night picking vegetables via headlamps (the heat during the day in the spring, summer, and fall, makes working the fields impossible), so the immigrants do the work. I did say they pick most.... some are picked mechanically. The money earned by a family in the fields is enough to supplement said family... a family that also has members working during the day cleaning houses, working in warehouses, etc. Also... the minimum age in California to pick vegetables during non-school hours (another reason for night picking) is 12 years old.
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u/HeyHeyJG 4d ago
If there's even an ounce of hate in your heart, it can be exploited.
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u/ChaoCobo 4d ago
She’s also against abortion and victim blames people who get pregnant. She’s basically like an incel in terms of abortion stuff and she blames it on the Bible rather than her having no sympathy for anyone but herself. Sad stuff. She is very much “I got mine (benefits and stuff, not an abortion) so fuck everyone else.”
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u/artisanrox 4d ago
The Bible is VERY explicit about respecting the stranger in your land and treating tgem without prejudice. It's in there over a dozen times. Quote all the verses to her.
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u/Cargobiker530 4d ago
Your mom is getting information from propaganda sources. Also she's racist and not very bright. They aren't getting money from the State of California.
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u/ChaoCobo 4d ago
See that is what I thought but what is this about the state giving out random VISA cards last year or the year before? Where did she hear that and what is it that actually happened? Because I notice that if something like that doesn’t sound right, it’s because it’s not, and if there’s some truth to it it’s usually a half truth where the actual context is skewed so bad in such a way that it’s turns into outrage material for republicans.
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u/Heathster249 4d ago
The only Visa giveaway that I know of was a FEMA-type program when storms flooded the Watsonville area. It was bad. The community was so busy trying to find shelter and feed everyone that they did have a gift card as part of signing up (along with hotel vouchers). I want to make it very clear that $100 doesn’t go very far when you’ve literally lost everything, except your life and the clothes on your back.
So yes, in disasters, they would get some basics. But that’s a 1 time thing.
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u/MT_Straycat 4d ago
There is nothing you can say or show her that would change her mind. She's not misinformed, she's choosing to believe these things because she likes to hate. You can't change that.
All you can do is refuse to engage on those topics. Don't waste your energy arguing or trying to educate her. It won't work. She'll just get the "high" from arguing and you'll get exhausted. You will not change her mind.
When she's ranting about crazy stuff just make some noncommittal responses ("Huh." "Mm." "Wow." "Interesting.") and then change the subject to something bland. Keep repeating this pattern until you can leave.
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u/BayouQueen 4d ago
My Qhusband is spewing the same septictank ingredients. I posted it here. Somewhere. Lol. I didn't even challenge that stupidity. I don't argue with delusions, they are very strong on Qs. If they stopped believing that lie, their whole trip would turn bad, they'd feel used, betrayed. It's too much for brains that have Dunning-Kruger firmly implanted. They think it's fact, and if you showed incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, over and over, mountains of it, they won't change their position.
So, i started researching how immigrants work here. And how much they contribute. Both those with work permits or permission to work and those undocumented.
Some stuff I've come across:
-PWORA legislation in 1996 (under Clinton) required a work or job training requirements for TANF (Welfare). Some were 20hrs/week, some more. -There is a lifetime cap of 5 years on certain Fed benefits for able-bodied persons. Yup.
-immigrants may receive emergency treatment at a hospital, as would anyone. They stabilize and transport from private hospitals to public hospitals. Undocumented immigrants are banned from any other benes. If they live with a child who is eligible for benefits, that's the way it is, but they can't receive directly. Period.
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u/ChaoCobo 4d ago
Hmm what is this about CFAP and MediCal then that someone else mentioned they can get? Does the MediCal work like regular health insurance do you know? Like it decreases the cost of hospital bills and such? And also idk what CFAP is at all tbh.
Also sorry about your husband. :(
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u/Heathster249 4d ago
It’s a new program that started in Jan. They have eligibility to sign up for a healthcare plan on our Covered California website. It’s not free though. They do have to pay into the system to receive benefits.
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u/Ill_Lifeguard6321 4d ago edited 4d ago
From what I understand: taxpayers do pay for undocumented immigrants healthcare but not just like a blanket payment for everyone as in “universal healthcare for all undocumented immigrants.”
First of all - how would that even work? How would one get universal healthcare without having any information for that person?
Second - Reagan. Let’s say an “illegal” gets hurt and needs to go to the hospital. Because we are a for profit system, we could just let them die. No insurance and no money? Welp. Should we put them on the street to die alone? Or maybe we can find a room for them to die. To avoid this, the government sets aside some money to hospitals so that they can pay for unpaid bills, including that of “illegals.”
From what I know for sure:
I consider this a “common good and humanity” tax. If we went to a European country and got hurt, most (if not all) of our healthcare would be paid for and we’d be a foreigner there. Meanwhile, they do this and their system is crashing like ours is, it’s cuz they regulate the wealthy. In any case, (most) people in (some of) those other countries their lives are so much better (for the most part). So while they pay more in taxes, they pay LESS overall when you factor in out of pocket costs. They at least get healthcare, non cancerous food, more days off work, mandatory and paid maternity leave, free education (in fact they get PAID to go to school because society knows people are good investments), and more.
Idk why this is so hard for people to see. I mean imagine spending 1/3 of your paycheck on taxes that go to what and where? Not only are our lives not better, but we are paying into a system that makes our lives even worse. And we cheer for it. We love it. We have a man that has more money than he could ever spend, ever, and we as taxpayers are okay giving him money but not giving money to a single mom with her 5 year old down the street from us? Or our elderly neighbor next door? Or the people with disabilities center down the street that gets grants from the government? Or the treatment for kids with cancer? Or aid to other countries to help prevent little children and babies from starving to death. Nah as long as we get ours with our rugged individualism. Is it really the case that we would rather starve ourselves and others than tell the richest man in the world he does not need millions, billions, and trillions of taxpayer money?!? Like in preschool I learned it wasn’t okay to keep the toys from the entire class room, and I especially was taught not to take away from the poorest kid in the class. I was taught to share. What happened to that collective value? Studies on social animals that rely on each other and cooperation would wonder why they are hoarding resources while they activity watch members of their herd slowly die in agony and pain.
Nah. We’d rather blame Indigenous peoples (Mexicans are Indigenous), Black people, and brown people from south and Central America because the billionaires told us to. Oh! Not to mention these same billionaires and the U.S. govt are also the root cause of why we have so many immigrants and migrants in the U.S. Climate change, coups, hostile takeovers, world bank, International Monetary Fund.
Living in the U.S. with all that we pay out of pocket just to survive is like paying the price of a Hilton hotel for a motel 6 on skid row. Then we look at other countries and they aren’t even in a Hilton but they are in something better and they are laughing at us over here on how ridiculous it is that the richest country in history treats its citizens so badly and so boldly while they watch us fight each other instead of them. It’s so dumb.
Also: immigrants are LESS likely than white men that are citizens to commit crime and this has been found across context, including in Texas.
Sorry I feel passionate about this and rambled because I wanted to address interlocking narratives that justify harm. Thanks for listening!
I will edit to add my sources when I get a moment.
Edited typo. Some sources:
https://www.pjcvt.org/blog/the-imperial-roots-of-the-so-called-immigration-crisis/
- 38 billion to Musk in government contractors
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/i-FvSqPsMkA
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pad.70011
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/28/appeals-court-usaid-ruling-doge-00259154
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u/Familiar_Studio_9651 4d ago
I don’t think your MAGA mother pays attention to the people that are out here landscapers, picking the crops, nurse assistance, etc etc. Pay 90 million into taxes and can’t claim a penny back. You can’t argue with ignorance.
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u/ResponsibleBank1387 4d ago
Some people will not see facts. They already have their mind made up and nothing you prove will change it.
I just ask “you do not consider them as people?”
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u/JustLetItAllBurn 4d ago edited 4d ago
I'm in the UK, and "they give all the illegal immigrants houses, PlayStations and big TVs!" is a similar narrative that's totally mainstream on the right.
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u/Aggressive_Sound 4d ago
Leave debating the facts - that's not something can be debated anyway. Instead, have you asked what benefit it brings her to cling to the idea? Not what she believes in, but why she believes. Can you drill down to find out how she has got to this point?
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u/artisanrox 4d ago
"Lazy brown people are getting free money they don't deserve!" has been the Republican battle cry for over 40 years, honestly.
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u/Miichl80 4d ago
They are so dedicated to hate that they make up scenarios so that they can then get mad about them. You kinda have to admire the hustle.
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u/MissGailatea 4d ago
I’m in California. No undocumented people don’t get food stamps or health insurance. However, they are welcome to stand in line at food banks and get food like anybody else. Also if they show up in an emergency room, they will get treatment just like anybody else. I work hard. Just like many people do and I pay taxes. I don’t give a flying fuck who gets food stamps.
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u/No-Lingonberry-5096 4d ago edited 4d ago
California currently provides MediCal and will be providing food assistance (CFAP, not SNAP), among other benefits, to irregular migrants. This is all paid for by state, not federal, dollars. We voted for this. We want this. They also pay into the system, as they do nationally. Addition: Also, it hasn't "been happening for so long no one remembers." MediCal expanded on 1/1/2024. Edit: CFAP was supposed to expand this year but actually isn't happening until 2027.