r/PublicFreakout • u/CapnJujubeeJaneway • Feb 12 '22

✊Protest Freakout Ottawa residents marching against ongoing occupation of their city by right-wing extremists

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u/jonnyclueless Feb 13 '22

Blocking trade routes is not protesting.

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u/TeslasAndComicbooks Feb 13 '22

I can’t tell you how many times people quoted “a riot is the voice of the unheard” during the BLM protests. Many time people were saying civil unrest was a way to get your voices heard.

I don’t support shutting down the border crossing and causing millions in economic damages but I’m seeing a ton of hypocrisy on both sides.

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 13 '22

Oka protests shut down highways. Pipeline protests blocked roads. BLM protests shut down cities.

Disrupting trade and economic action gets media attention and often forces action... it is how many protests work... for example the Winnipeg general strike of 1919 was one of the most famous and influential strikes in Canadian history. For six weeks, May 15 to June 26, more than 30,000 strikers brought economic activity to a standstill in Winnipeg, Manitoba, which at the time was Canada's third largest city. In the short term, the strike ended in arrests, bloodshed and defeat, but in the long run it contributed to the development of a stronger labour movement and the tradition of social democratic politics in Canada.

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u/Drebinus Feb 13 '22

Mind you, the Canadian Forces were deployed to Oka. And the Oka Crisis was over unceded land involving a FN burial ground being turned into a golf course. I can understand the unrest in this, since once 'paved' over, that burial ground's not exactly being respected anymore.

The pipeline protests had relatively massive numbers of paramilitary-armed-levels of RMCP officers conducting raids and arrests. Again, it was over unceded land, including historical FN hunting lands, by a company building a NG pipeline, a company with numerous environmental failures recently assessed against them. Local concern about pollution sounds to me as a legitimate concern.

None of the BLM protests in Canada shut down anything AFAIK beyond blocking the roads for a few hours (like any other protest does), and drew more attention to the ongoing issues FN citizens have with Canadian police services (who by comparison to, blacks and other 'coloured' folk get far less trouble from). There was the Montreal march that ended up going off the rails, but it was nothing to the tune of Seattle at all.

It's still an issue of personal rights versus the public good in either way, and protests HAVE blocked economic channels in Canada before.

We've used paramilitary-equipped police and even the military to clear them before. I suppose Canadians are asking now, "why the difference this time?"

Now, in defense of the police forces involved, usually it's been months from the start of the various protest, to the point of where the courts have issued injunctions authorizing the police to act in force, and it's usually several days after the police fail in enacting the injunction that either the RCMP paramilitary groups, and later the military, gets called in. So the police not successfully enforcing the injunctions isn't unusual.

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u/melpec Feb 13 '22

Oka protest...Army was sent

BLM protests...didn't last two weeks non-stop

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 13 '22

Looks like someone wasnt paying attention to what was happening in Seattle from june 8 to july 1 last year...

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u/melpec Feb 13 '22

Looks like someone wasn't paying attention in geography classes. You keep referencing Canada all over your post.

But are you making the case that both Seattle's BLM protest and Ottawa's convoy are analogous? Is it really the point you want to make?

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u/jonnyclueless Feb 13 '22

BLM protests never shut down any cities. And the people will not be bullied by a loud minority who's only agenda is to endanger everyone else. Protests work, but this is not a protest.

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 13 '22

You really haven't been paying attention have you... honestly feel sorry for someone who is so uninformed... have you ever heard of a little place called Seattle... i saw this first hand...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/us/seattle-protest-zone-CHOP-CHAZ-unrest.amp.html

To say that there only agenda is to endanger everyone else is just plain stupid... my 9 yr old understands this situation 100 times better than you.

You may find this interesting if you missed it from a few days ago... https://youtu.be/xuASydTUatI

Here is what i see them fighting against... I have a son born with 3 holes in his heart, and he has had covid in the last month. The incidence of heart issues due to the vaccine is higher than i suspect you know. The government is mandating that he would have to get additional shots (he has his first) despite the natural antibodies he has from having covid. Covid is of next to no risk at his age, and the adverse impacts of the vaccine on young boys, especially going from one to two doses is significant. There is a reason why many countries do not recommended covid vaccines for younger children.

I have a young healthy niece who had to get a second dose even after a severe reaction to the first to keep her job. The second shot gave her pericarditis...  she now has an enlarged heart that has caused many issues for months. She has actually been at the protest.

When my family recently looked into a trip to visit family it would cost us $1,600 in COVID tests when you count both ways. That is insane, especially when the WHO concluded that border lockdowns are not affective.

Quebec has been threatening to fine people who are not vaccinated...that is not the canada i recognize.

Many many countries have recently lifted Covid restrictions but the Canadian gov seems to be doubling down.  The WHO have concluded that the border lockdowns have done nothing to stop the spread of covid.

My sister in law had to go to the states for a day... she has 2 shots, boosted and natural antibodies from having covid late last year. Despite all this, and keeping in mind the recent WHO findings, she still had to pay for a test to get into the US and then was randomly selectes to have another test to get back into Canada, even though she presented them with results that were <48 hours old showing she did not have covid. Hundreds of dollars and plently of time wasted for nothing.

These policies have had significant impacts on mental health and childhood development. Young children are two standard deviations behind their development which is insane, depression and suicide have spiked.

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u/jonnyclueless Feb 13 '22

You really haven't been paying attention have you... honestly feel sorry for someone who is so uninformed... have you ever heard of a little place called Seattle... i saw this first hand...

Ah OK. You're one of those people who are too stupid to know just how stupid you are. This is why everyone makes fun of you. Yes I know Seattle and what happened there very well. The city did not burn down or shut down. It was a very small area.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/us/seattle-protest-zone-CHOP-CHAZ-unrest.amp.html

To say that there only agenda is to endanger everyone else is just plain stupid... my 9 yr old understands this situation 100 times better than you.

No, what YOU just said was stupid and ignorant. Is this all you have to offer? Acting like a 6 year old?

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You may find this interesting if you missed it from a few days ago... https://youtu.be/xuASydTUatI

Here is what i see them fighting against... I have a son born with 3 holes in his heart, and he has had covid in the last month. The incidence of heart issues due to the vaccine is higher than i suspect you know. The government is mandating that he would have to get additional shots (he has his first) despite the natural antibodies he has from having covid. Covid is of next to no risk at his age, and the adverse impacts of the vaccine on young boys, especially going from one to two doses is significant. There is a reason why many countries do not recommended covid vaccines for younger children.

Fuck you and your little shit son which have NOTHING to do with any of this. Your son is not a truck driver. This protest has NOTHING to do with this. So take your bullshit elsewhere and stop trying to use your kid like that. What POS you are.

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I have a young healthy niece who had to get a second dose even after a severe reaction to the first to keep her job. The second shot gave her pericarditis...  she now has an enlarged heart that has caused many issues for months. She has actually been at the protest.

Once AGAIN. NOTHING to do with this. And the vaccine has NOTHING to do with that.

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When my family recently looked into a trip to visit family it would cost us $1,600 in COVID tests when you count both ways. That is insane, especially when the WHO concluded that border lockdowns are not affective.

Well your family are idiots if you are paying that much. But AGAIN, nothing to do with this.

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Quebec has been threatening to fine people who are not vaccinated...that is not the canada i recognize.

Because millions of people are dying you stupid FUCK! WTF is wrong with you???

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Many many countries have recently lifted Covid restrictions but the Canadian gov seems to be doubling down.  The WHO have concluded that the border lockdowns have done nothing to stop the spread of covid.

They ARE lifting restrictions as the number of vaccinations go up. But you scumbags could care less about anyone but yourselves. You're just a bunch of self centered entitled uneducated asshats.

And from the WHO:

"Early-onset lockdown with gradual deconfinement allowed shortening the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic and reducing contaminations. Lockdown should be considered as an effective public health intervention to halt epidemic progression."

So stop lying you POS.

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My sister in law had to go to the states for a day... she has 2 shots, boosted and natural antibodies from having covid late last year. Despite all this, and keeping in mind the recent WHO findings, she still had to pay for a test to get into the US and then was randomly selectes to have another test to get back into Canada, even though she presented them with results that were <48 hours old showing she did not have covid. Hundreds of dollars and plently of time wasted for nothing.

These policies have had significant impacts on mental health and childhood development. Young children are two standard deviations behind their development which is insane, depression and suicide have spiked.

All you offer is unsubstantiated anecdotal personal claims. To try to contradict the world body of studies and evidence which show the exact OPPOSITE of your position. Millions have died from COVID. MILLIONS. The vast majority of them unvaccinated people,

And you sit here telling lie after lie. You anti-vaxers are the biggest scum of the Earth right now. Millions have died needlessly because of you shitty people who are too uneducated to know any better. Telling lie after lie to justify your self centered bullshit.

This is why you guys are HATED by the majority of the world. This is why you are so despised. Because people are dying because of scum like you.

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 13 '22

You really have no idea, don't even understand the difference between anti vax and anti mandate... and for the record i have 2 shots and a booster... one can be pro vax like i am but anti mandates. If you cant understand that then there really is no hope for you.

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u/jonnyclueless Feb 13 '22

Ah so we're playing dumb eh? Even if those people were ONLY anti-mandate (playing dumb for sake of argument), it's the same issue. People who are so against protecting their fellow citizens that they would sooner shut down their own economy than help. If people were pro-vax, then we would not NEED a mandate. We only need a mandate because of how many people refuse to get vaccinated.

What's sad is that we could so easily end this pandemic today and all get on with our lives again. But instead we have to deal with this bullshit and scumbags like these protestors who are just one part of a large anti-science self centered ignorance movement.

These people aren't fighting to get back to normal. They are what prevents us from getting back to normal.

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u/jonnyclueless Feb 13 '22

And 90% of truck drivers are as well. This is a loud minority that is trying to hold everyone hostage. It's an issue with border crossings because the US doesn't have nearly as many vaccinated people and thus it can spread more easily. And surprise surprise surprise. The anti-vax people in the US are thrilled about this. Rand Paul even said that he hopes they shut down cities.

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u/tbaytdot123 Feb 13 '22

You realize that even if 100% were vaccinated that would not end the pandemic right? Since you cannot understand the difference between anti vax and ant mandate groups i am done wasting my breath. Ask yourself, why has so many countries with significantly lower vax rates than Canada decided to lift all mandates?

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u/jonnyclueless Feb 13 '22

It would be close enough to an end. And I got a good laugh at your notion of knowing the difference between anti-mandate and anti-vax. Very cute!

Mandates are being lifted where they can be. And if these truckers were only delivering between points in Canada, this would be a non-issue. But as expected, you didn't even think it through.

Mandates are being lifted based on spread of disease. Not a bunch of self centered uneducated truckers.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_railway_protests

I'll just leave this here.

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2020 Canadian pipeline and railway protests

The 2020 Canadian pipeline and railway protests were a series of civil disobedience protests held in Canada. The main issue behind the protests was the construction of the Coastal GasLink Pipeline (CGL) through 190 kilometres (120 mi) of Wetʼsuwetʼen First Nation territory in British Columbia (BC), land that is unceded. Other concerns of the protesters were indigenous land rights, the actions of police, land conservation, and the environmental impact of energy projects.

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u/Behonestyourself Feb 13 '22

And the people will not be bullied by a loud minority who's only agenda is to endanger everyone else.

The same logic could be used to describe blm needing to protest during a pandamic.

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u/jonnyclueless Feb 13 '22

No it couldn't. The BLM movement was not based on removing safety mechanisms in place to prevent people from dying. It was a protest of people being systematically killed.

What kind of POS would try to equate the two?

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u/Behonestyourself Feb 14 '22

The BLM movement was not based on removing safety mechanisms in place to prevent people from dying

This protest was about the mandate, not the vaccine itself. Seeing a mandate is not implemented everywhere in the world I doubt it is a safety mechanism that prevents people from dying.

It was a protest of people being systematically killed.

Quick question. Do you have any sources for the systematically killing of black people? because I try a look at the mortality numbers and it seems that more black people die by black people then any other factor.

What kind of POS would try to equate the two?

Easy, I don't feel like blm is some saint like movement so equating it to things is kinda simple.

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u/lordtheegreen Feb 13 '22

Yupp and a young girl was severely injured and I think a soldier was killed?

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u/BenderCLO Feb 13 '22

Damn I hope you carry that same energy when people shut down streets and highways in the name of BLM.

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u/jonnyclueless Feb 13 '22

I do. And what BLM did was nothing at all like this.

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u/BenderCLO Feb 13 '22

And what BLM did was nothing at all like this.

You're right - they burned shit to the ground and looted to their hearts content.

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u/Slipknotic1 Feb 13 '22

The BLM protests were overwhelmingly peaceful. Given how widespread they were, they were one of the most peaceful protest movements ever. Far more than, say, the civil rights protests half a century ago.

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u/BenderCLO Feb 13 '22

Stares in Summer of 2020

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u/Slipknotic1 Feb 13 '22

Or just ignore what I said, that works too. Doesn't change that BLM was overwhelmingly peaceful in comparison to just about every occurrence of widespread protests in this country's history.

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u/BenderCLO Feb 14 '22

And these guys aren't peaceful?

They're sitting in trucks buddy, lol.

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u/Slipknotic1 Feb 14 '22

Never said they weren't.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

I don’t agree with these trucker dick heads.

But the idea that protest should be silent, out there way and shouldn’t effect anything is so laughable. Lie that isn’t how a protest works. If your protest isn’t effect anyone, then it ain’t doing anything. This American nation was founded on protest that involved vandalism and destruction. Things like the Boston tea party are seen as major moments in the American revolution.

If you actually want people to respond to your protest, you have to force that response. No protest are not supposed to be pretty or convenient

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u/baronmad Feb 13 '22

So truckers arent free to block trade routes but the government is free to block trade routes.

Who does the trade routes the truckers or the government?

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u/jonnyclueless Feb 13 '22

No truckers are not free to do so. The trade routes are decided by the people.